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Germany Pegida protests: Rallies over 'Islamisation'

Posted by on Jan. 6, 2015 at 3:24 AM
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http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30685842

Germany Pegida protests: Rallies over 'Islamisation'

Supporters and opponents of a group campaigning against what it sees as the "Islamisation" of Europe have held rival rallies across Germany.

There have been weekly protests by the Patriotic Europeans against the Islamisation of the West (Pegida) since October.

A record 18,000 people turned out on Monday at one rally in Dresden.But counter demonstrations have sprung up and the group has been condemned by senior German politicians.Thousands of people marched in Berlin, Cologne, Dresden and Stuttgart.

In Berlin, police said that some 5,000 counter-demonstrators blocked hundreds of Pegida supporters from marching along their planned route.A total of 22,000 anti-Pegida demonstrators rallied in Stuttgart, Muenster and Hamburg, according to the DPS news agency.But in Dresden, police said that 18,000 people turned up for just one anti-immigration rally. The counter-demonstration attracted 3,000 people.

Lights out

In Cologne, the authorities switched off the lights of the city's cathedral as a way of warning Pegida supporters they were supporting "extremists"."We don't think of it as a protest, but we would like to make the many conservative Christians [who support Pegida] think about what they are doing," the dean of the cathedral, Norbert Feldhoff, told the BBC.Only about 250 Pegida supporters showed up in Cologne, compared to thousands of counter-demonstrators.Much of the city centre was also plunged into darkness as lights were switched off at major buildings and bridges across the Rhine, according to the news agency DPA."Today, there is really a democratic sign being sent and a lot of people in Cologne are expressing their opinion," said Cologne mayor Juergen Roters."They want to stress that we here in Cologne do not want to have anything to do with right-wing extremists and xenophobic people."In Dresden, carmaker Volkswagen said it was also keeping its manufacturing plant dark to show that the company "stands for an open, free and democratic society."

German Chancellor Angela Merkel attacked the movement in her new year speech, saying its leaders have "prejudice, coldness, even hatred in their hearts".Pegida organiser Kathrin Oertel responded in a speech at the rally in Dresden. She said that there was "political repression" in Germany once again."Or how would you see it when we are insulted or called racists or Nazis openly by all the political mainstream parties and media for our justified criticism of Germany's asylum seeker policies and the non-existent immigration policy?"A poll of just over 1,000 people carried out by Germany's Stern magazine found one in eight Germans would join an anti-Islam march if Pegida organised one near their home.Germany receives more refugees and asylum seekers than any other EU country. Many of those have come from war-torn Syria.
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Bookwormy
by Ruby Member on Jan. 6, 2015 at 3:29 AM
As someone Jewish this makes me very uncomfortable. I don't see the difference between this and Nazi Germany.
Arroree
by Ruby Member on Jan. 6, 2015 at 3:31 AM
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Quoting Bookwormy: As someone Jewish this makes me very uncomfortable. I don't see the difference between this and Nazi Germany.

Agreed. These protests and "rallies" are no different than the ones they had to work the people up against Jews back then. It's just more proof that people never learn their lesson and history will repeat itself over and over with just a different player or two :(

spacedementia
by Member on Jan. 6, 2015 at 3:48 AM
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New generation, different group of people to mark as inhuman and in need of expulsion. Not a surprise, their relatives lived outside of death camps and did nothing. Vile. 

AdrianneHill
by Ruby Member on Jan. 6, 2015 at 5:50 AM
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Speaking of racism, we know what happens when Germans take a strong dislike to something. Just saying be careful
Bookwormy
by Ruby Member on Jan. 6, 2015 at 8:40 AM
Every German I've ever met in person has been amazing. I've worked/work with two quite closely. I would never live there due to the still existing xenophobia that is documented now & then post Holocaust. That said, we certainly have many incidents of xenophobia, racism, Antisemitism, & Islamophobia here in the good 'Ol USA.

Quoting AdrianneHill: Speaking of racism, we know what happens when Germans take a strong dislike to something. Just saying be careful
QueenBarbie
by Silver Member on Jan. 6, 2015 at 8:55 AM
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The other side of this is the is the way the Muslims have behaved the Europeans.  Jews are fleeing France because of the Muslims.  What is going on in France is downright scary.  

At some point some of these countries wasn't to Germany, France, England ect or if they want to be Muslim dominate countries.  Muslims do not assimilate and become German, blend it, melt it etc.  They are aways Muslim and do not care about the culture or customs of the countries of the countries they immigrate to.

12hellokitty
by Ruby Member on Jan. 6, 2015 at 8:56 AM

As long as the protest is peaceful, meaning no one is physically harmed I can't see why this would be a problem.  It isn't being viewed as a problem within the US where it has been determined people don't have a right to not be intimidated or made to feel uncomfortable.   Maybe the Germans needs to incorporate some slogans such as "German lives matter".... 

QueenBarbie
by Silver Member on Jan. 6, 2015 at 8:59 AM

France's Jews Flee As Rioters Burn Paris Shops, Attack Synagogue

Posted: Updated: 

France's politicians and community leaders have criticised the "intolerable" violence against Paris' Jewish community, after a pro-Palestinian rally led to the vandalizing and looting of Jewish businesses and the burning of cars.

It is the third time in a week where pro-Palestinian activists have clashed with the city's Jewish residents. On Sunday, locals reported chats of "Gas the Jews" and "Kill the Jews", as rioters attacked businesses in the Sarcelles district, known as "little Jerusalem".

Manuel Valls, France's prime minister said: “What happened in Sarcelles is intolerable. An attack on a synagogue and on a kosher shop is simply anti-Semitism. Nothing in France can justify this violence.”

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Religious leaders gathered for an interfaith service on Monday to call for calm, and Haim Korsia, the chief rabbi of France, and Hassen Chalghoumi, the imam of Drancy shook hands on the steps of the synagogue.

Francois Pupponi, the mayor of Sarcelles, told BFMTV that the violent attacks were carried out by a "horde of savages."

"When you head for the synagogue, when you burn a corner shop because it is Jewish-owned, you are committing an anti-Semitic act," interior minister Bernard Cazeneuve told reporters at a press conference at the local synagogue.

  • MIGUEL MEDINA via Getty Images
    A worker prepares to repair a shop windowin Sarcelles, a northern Paris suburb, a day after a rally against Israel's Gaza offensive descended into violence
  • MIGUEL MEDINA via Getty Images
    A man walks in Sarcelles, a northern Paris suburb, by broken windows as he enters a shopping center in Les Flanades neighborhood
  • MIGUEL MEDINA via Getty Images
    The broken shop window of a restaurant in a shopping center in Les Flanades neighborhood, damaged on July 20 after a rally against Israel's Gaza offensive descended into violence pitting an angry pro-Palestinian crowd against local Jewish businesses
  • MIGUEL MEDINA via Getty Images
    Projectiles were thrown at police, burned cars and looted shops
  • MIGUEL MEDINA via Getty Images
    The Parisian suburb is known for its multiculturalism
  • MIGUEL MEDINA via Getty Images
    Damages in a restaurant of a shopping center in Les Flanades neighborhood
  • MIGUEL MEDINA via Getty Images
    A policewoman takes part in an investigation in Sarcelles, a northern Paris suburb in front of a chemist in a shopping center of Les Flanades neighborhood, which was burnt down
  • STEPHANE DE SAKUTIN via Getty Images
    The Imam of the eastern suburb of Drancy, Hassen Chalghoumi, the President of the Central Jewish consistory of France, Joel Mergui, the Great Rabbi of France Haim Korsia, and the Bishop of Pontoise for the Conference of Bishops of France, Stanislas Lalanne attend an ecumenical ceremony at the synagogue of Sarcelles
  • STEPHANE DE SAKUTIN via Getty Images
    French singer Enrico Macias (4th L), French writer Marek Halter (C), the Imam of the eastern Paris suburb of Drancy, Hassen Chalghoumi (4th R), the President of the Central Jewish consistory of France Joel Mergui (3rd R_ and Bishop of Pontoise for the Conference of Bishops of France Stanislas Lalanne (2nd R) pose during an ecumenical ceremony at the synagogue of Sarcelles, north of Paris

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Eighteen people were arrested for attacks on shops, including a kosher supermarket, a Jewish-owned chemist and a funeral home. Rioters, who carried batons and threw petrol bombs according to eyewitnesses, were yards from the synagogue when they were driven back by riot police who used tear gas.

“They were shouting: ‘Death to Jews,’ and ‘Slit Jews’ throats’,” David, a Jewish sound engineer told The Times. “It took us back to 1938.”

“We called our town 'Little Jerusalem' because we felt at home here,” Laetitia, a longtime Sarcelles resident, told France 24. “We were safe, there were never any problems. And I just wasn't expecting anything like this. We are very shocked, really very shocked."

Roger Cuikerman, head of the Representative Council of Jewish Institutions in France told Radio France International: "They are not screaming, 'Death to the Israelis' on the streets of Paris. They are screaming, "Death to the Jews." The community was not just scared, but "anguished."

The government had banned a demonstration planned in Paris for Saturday, but posters were seen around the area which said “Come equipped with hammers, fire extinguishers and batons" and promised a "raid on the Jewish district”.

France has around half a million Jews, the biggest population in Europe, and around five million Muslims.

The Society for the Protection of the Jewish Community's figures suggest that anti-Jewish violence is seven times higher than in the 1990s, and 40% of racist violence is against Jews, despite them making up just 1% of the population.

In March 2012, a shooting spree by Mohammed Merah in the south of France left three French soldiers, three Jewish schoolchildren and a rabbi dead. The gunman claimed a connection to al Qaeda.

More than a thousand Jews have made aliyah (the term used when Jews immigrate to Israel) in the past 10 days, according to the Israeli government.

"I came because of anti-Semitism,” said teary-eyed Veronique Rivka Buzaglo, one of 430 immigrants who arrived from France the day before. "You see it in the eyes of people. I see it in everything," she told HuffPost.

Buzaglo says nothing would have stopped her from becoming an Israeli citizen this week - not even the rocket sirens frequently blaring in the south of the country, where she plans to live.

yourspecialkid
by on Jan. 6, 2015 at 9:05 AM
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 This peaceful protest isn't okay....but the pillage of Ferguson was? 

Given what is going on with Islam in many parts of the world today I can't say I really blame them.  People tend to not be okay with radicals that chop off heads.

 

12hellokitty
by Ruby Member on Jan. 6, 2015 at 9:21 AM

Interesting how there is no description of the rioters in comparison to the OP's article labeling those protesting with words such as "right wing extremists", and Christian conservative.  There is even bias in the names of the protest, one being labeled as a rally against "Islamization" and the other "Pro-Palestinian.   

Quoting QueenBarbie:

France's Jews Flee As Rioters Burn Paris Shops, Attack Synagogue

Posted: Updated: 

France's politicians and community leaders have criticised the "intolerable" violence against Paris' Jewish community, after a pro-Palestinian rally led to the vandalizing and looting of Jewish businesses and the burning of cars.

It is the third time in a week where pro-Palestinian activists have clashed with the city's Jewish residents. On Sunday, locals reported chats of "Gas the Jews" and "Kill the Jews", as rioters attacked businesses in the Sarcelles district, known as "little Jerusalem".

Manuel Valls, France's prime minister said: “What happened in Sarcelles is intolerable. An attack on a synagogue and on a kosher shop is simply anti-Semitism. Nothing in France can justify this violence.”

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Israel Just Turned Its Social Media Guns On Westminster

Religious leaders gathered for an interfaith service on Monday to call for calm, and Haim Korsia, the chief rabbi of France, and Hassen Chalghoumi, the imam of Drancy shook hands on the steps of the synagogue.

Francois Pupponi, the mayor of Sarcelles, told BFMTV that the violent attacks were carried out by a "horde of savages."

"When you head for the synagogue, when you burn a corner shop because it is Jewish-owned, you are committing an anti-Semitic act," interior minister Bernard Cazeneuve told reporters at a press conference at the local synagogue.

  • MIGUEL MEDINA via Getty Images
    A worker prepares to repair a shop windowin Sarcelles, a northern Paris suburb, a day after a rally against Israel's Gaza offensive descended into violence
  • MIGUEL MEDINA via Getty Images
    A man walks in Sarcelles, a northern Paris suburb, by broken windows as he enters a shopping center in Les Flanades neighborhood
  • MIGUEL MEDINA via Getty Images
    The broken shop window of a restaurant in a shopping center in Les Flanades neighborhood, damaged on July 20 after a rally against Israel's Gaza offensive descended into violence pitting an angry pro-Palestinian crowd against local Jewish businesses
  • MIGUEL MEDINA via Getty Images
    Projectiles were thrown at police, burned cars and looted shops
  • MIGUEL MEDINA via Getty Images
    The Parisian suburb is known for its multiculturalism
  • MIGUEL MEDINA via Getty Images
    Damages in a restaurant of a shopping center in Les Flanades neighborhood
  • MIGUEL MEDINA via Getty Images
    A policewoman takes part in an investigation in Sarcelles, a northern Paris suburb in front of a chemist in a shopping center of Les Flanades neighborhood, which was burnt down
  • STEPHANE DE SAKUTIN via Getty Images
    The Imam of the eastern suburb of Drancy, Hassen Chalghoumi, the President of the Central Jewish consistory of France, Joel Mergui, the Great Rabbi of France Haim Korsia, and the Bishop of Pontoise for the Conference of Bishops of France, Stanislas Lalanne attend an ecumenical ceremony at the synagogue of Sarcelles
  • STEPHANE DE SAKUTIN via Getty Images
    French singer Enrico Macias (4th L), French writer Marek Halter (C), the Imam of the eastern Paris suburb of Drancy, Hassen Chalghoumi (4th R), the President of the Central Jewish consistory of France Joel Mergui (3rd R_ and Bishop of Pontoise for the Conference of Bishops of France Stanislas Lalanne (2nd R) pose during an ecumenical ceremony at the synagogue of Sarcelles, north of Paris

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Eighteen people were arrested for attacks on shops, including a kosher supermarket, a Jewish-owned chemist and a funeral home. Rioters, who carried batons and threw petrol bombs according to eyewitnesses, were yards from the synagogue when they were driven back by riot police who used tear gas.

“They were shouting: ‘Death to Jews,’ and ‘Slit Jews’ throats’,” David, a Jewish sound engineer told The Times. “It took us back to 1938.”

“We called our town 'Little Jerusalem' because we felt at home here,” Laetitia, a longtime Sarcelles resident, told France 24. “We were safe, there were never any problems. And I just wasn't expecting anything like this. We are very shocked, really very shocked."

Roger Cuikerman, head of the Representative Council of Jewish Institutions in France told Radio France International: "They are not screaming, 'Death to the Israelis' on the streets of Paris. They are screaming, "Death to the Jews." The community was not just scared, but "anguished."

The government had banned a demonstration planned in Paris for Saturday, but posters were seen around the area which said “Come equipped with hammers, fire extinguishers and batons" and promised a "raid on the Jewish district”.

France has around half a million Jews, the biggest population in Europe, and around five million Muslims.

The Society for the Protection of the Jewish Community's figures suggest that anti-Jewish violence is seven times higher than in the 1990s, and 40% of racist violence is against Jews, despite them making up just 1% of the population.

In March 2012, a shooting spree by Mohammed Merah in the south of France left three French soldiers, three Jewish schoolchildren and a rabbi dead. The gunman claimed a connection to al Qaeda.

More than a thousand Jews have made aliyah (the term used when Jews immigrate to Israel) in the past 10 days, according to the Israeli government.

"I came because of anti-Semitism,” said teary-eyed Veronique Rivka Buzaglo, one of 430 immigrants who arrived from France the day before. "You see it in the eyes of people. I see it in everything," she told HuffPost.

Buzaglo says nothing would have stopped her from becoming an Israeli citizen this week - not even the rocket sirens frequently blaring in the south of the country, where she plans to live.


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