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What’s Actually Going On

Posted by on May. 5, 2015 at 7:39 AM
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I encounter people all the time who scratch their heads wondering how a bunch of leftwing nuts who believe you can pick your gender are attacking Americans who criticize Islam. These left-wing types who pound their chests over a “war on women” in the United States are perfectly willing to turn a blind eye to Islamic harassment of women, even in the United States.

They target Christian bakers and florists for wedding cakes and ignore Muslim bakers. When Steven Crowder gets a Muslim baker on film refusing to bake a cake, they ignore it as no big deal. “Such a small population here,” they say.

When Pamela Gellers’ group gets attacked by Islamists, the leftists say things like “I’m not sure the founding fathers contemplated someone like Pamela Geller when they wrote the First Amendment.” Notice they do not say, “I’m not sure the founding fathers contemplated Islam when they wrote the First Amendment.”

How is this all possible? I think the only answer is theological.

Islam and secularism are both things of this world. The things of this world, though they may be deeply incompatible with and hostile to each other, are all hostile to the things of God, which our Judeo-Christian faith traditions are.

In Lord of the Rings there are recurring scenes of the forces of Mordor absolutely gutting each other — the just slaughter each other at will. But they unite and march on the forces of goodness routinely and in harmony. Only when left to their own devices in Mordor or in retreat from the battle field do they turn on each other. Tolkein was reflecting the secular world in that.

Joss Whedon, the leftwing director of The Avengers, is another good example of this. He is a left-wing apologist who’d love to have transgendered and lesbian superheroes and, I have no doubt, if given the chance would make Jesus and the Apostles the bad guys who need to be crushed. But his fellow travelers on the left have driven him from the twitter-verse because they think he sexualized Scarlett Johansson’s Black Widow character. Feminists and gender warriors who Whedon is normally allied with are fighting mad in their comfortable shoes that Black Widow is not the premiere character and that she’s actually pretty hot. How dare she be attractive!

The forces of Mordor devour each other when not devouring goodness. The things of the world will devour each other, but ally to attack the things of God. That’s what is actually going on here.

 

Red State.

by on May. 5, 2015 at 7:39 AM
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romalove
by Roma on May. 5, 2015 at 7:51 AM
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What a bunch of crap.

First of all, what is posited is wrong.  The problem with the Muslim bakeries discriminating against gay people and refusing to bake them wedding cakes isn't that they are such a small population.  It's that they were doing it in Michigan, which doesn't recognize sexual orientation as a protected class.  Without that in place, bakeries, photographers, florists, etc., can discriminate openly and at will.  That does not make it right, it makes it non-actionable.

But I want to highlight this paragraph from the above article:

"Islam and secularism are both things of this world. The things of this world, though they may be deeply incompatible with and hostile to each other, are all hostile to things of god, which our Judeo-Christian faith traditions are."

Islam is not like secularism.  Muslims think they are of God, in fact they think they are of the same god as Jews and Christians.  That the person writing this doesn't agree with that doesn't change that.  In fact, it is highly insulting to think that someone else's religion, in fact someone else's religion that is a worship of the same God as yours, isn't "of God" and is akin to believing in nothing at all.

All life is change.  You have two choices, you can embrace change, or you can fight it tooth and nail.  Change comes either way.  Only one of those two options has a positive outcome.

coolmommy2x
by Platinum Member on May. 5, 2015 at 7:58 AM
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I scratch my head all the time wondering why people are so determined to keep the us vs them mentality going instead of working together to solve problems. Fighting each other certainly doesn't help anyone or anything.
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Mtnsmith
by Bronze Member on May. 5, 2015 at 8:05 AM
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It is a popular but false idea that Christians, Jews, and Muslims "share" the same God.

Ask a Muslim if Allah is the same as the Christian and Jewish God, and Christ is synonymous with Muhammed, and see what kind of answer you get.

And life is indeed full of changes, but not all are positive.  Sometimes "tooth and nail fighting" is the better alternative.

Quoting romalove:

What a bunch of crap.

First of all, what is posited is wrong.  The problem with the Muslim bakeries discriminating against gay people and refusing to bake them wedding cakes isn't that they are such a small population.  It's that they were doing it in Michigan, which doesn't recognize sexual orientation as a protected class.  Without that in place, bakeries, photographers, florists, etc., can discriminate openly and at will.  That does not make it right, it makes it non-actionable.

But I want to highlight this paragraph from the above article:

"Islam and secularism are both things of this world. The things of this world, though they may be deeply incompatible with and hostile to each other, are all hostile to things of god, which our Judeo-Christian faith traditions are."

Islam is not like secularism.  Muslims think they are of God, in fact they think they are of the same god as Jews and Christians.  That the person writing this doesn't agree with that doesn't change that.  In fact, it is highly insulting to think that someone else's religion, in fact someone else's religion that is a worship of the same God as yours, isn't "of God" and is akin to believing in nothing at all.

All life is change.  You have two choices, you can embrace change, or you can fight it tooth and nail.  Change comes either way.  Only one of those two options has a positive outcome.


PhantomRose88
by Member on May. 5, 2015 at 8:09 AM
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Im a Muslim. We have the same God as Christians and Jews. Jesus is a beloved prophet as our prophet Mohammed. In fact Jesus is mentioned more times inour Quran than Mohammed.

Quoting Mtnsmith:

It is a popular but false idea that Christians, Jews, and Muslims "share" the same God.

Ask a Muslim if Allah is the same as the Christian and Jewish God, and Christ is synonymous with Muhammed, and see what kind of answer you get.

And life is indeed full of changes, but not all are positive.  Sometimes "tooth and nail fighting" is the better alternative.

Quoting romalove:

What a bunch of crap.

First of all, what is posited is wrong.  The problem with the Muslim bakeries discriminating against gay people and refusing to bake them wedding cakes isn't that they are such a small population.  It's that they were doing it in Michigan, which doesn't recognize sexual orientation as a protected class.  Without that in place, bakeries, photographers, florists, etc., can discriminate openly and at will.  That does not make it right, it makes it non-actionable.

But I want to highlight this paragraph from the above article:

"Islam and secularism are both things of this world. The things of this world, though they may be deeply incompatible with and hostile to each other, are all hostile to things of god, which our Judeo-Christian faith traditions are."

Islam is not like secularism.  Muslims think they are of God, in fact they think they are of the same god as Jews and Christians.  That the person writing this doesn't agree with that doesn't change that.  In fact, it is highly insulting to think that someone else's religion, in fact someone else's religion that is a worship of the same God as yours, isn't "of God" and is akin to believing in nothing at all.

All life is change.  You have two choices, you can embrace change, or you can fight it tooth and nail.  Change comes either way.  Only one of those two options has a positive outcome.

4evrinbluejeans
by KK on May. 5, 2015 at 8:14 AM
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All are Abrahamic faiths that trace their begins to many of the very same stories and traditions.  Islam honors Jesus as a prophet.  All three do believe in the same God, what is different is the path to Him.  


Quoting Mtnsmith:

It is a popular but false idea that Christians, Jews, and Muslims "share" the same God.

Ask a Muslim if Allah is the same as the Christian and Jewish God, and Christ is synonymous with Muhammed, and see what kind of answer you get.

And life is indeed full of changes, but not all are positive.  Sometimes "tooth and nail fighting" is the better alternative.

Quoting romalove:

What a bunch of crap.

First of all, what is posited is wrong.  The problem with the Muslim bakeries discriminating against gay people and refusing to bake them wedding cakes isn't that they are such a small population.  It's that they were doing it in Michigan, which doesn't recognize sexual orientation as a protected class.  Without that in place, bakeries, photographers, florists, etc., can discriminate openly and at will.  That does not make it right, it makes it non-actionable.

But I want to highlight this paragraph from the above article:

"Islam and secularism are both things of this world. The things of this world, though they may be deeply incompatible with and hostile to each other, are all hostile to things of god, which our Judeo-Christian faith traditions are."

Islam is not like secularism.  Muslims think they are of God, in fact they think they are of the same god as Jews and Christians.  That the person writing this doesn't agree with that doesn't change that.  In fact, it is highly insulting to think that someone else's religion, in fact someone else's religion that is a worship of the same God as yours, isn't "of God" and is akin to believing in nothing at all.

All life is change.  You have two choices, you can embrace change, or you can fight it tooth and nail.  Change comes either way.  Only one of those two options has a positive outcome.



romalove
by Roma on May. 5, 2015 at 8:26 AM
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Quoting Mtnsmith:

It is a popular but false idea that Christians, Jews, and Muslims "share" the same God.

Ask a Muslim if Allah is the same as the Christian and Jewish God, and Christ is synonymous with Muhammed, and see what kind of answer you get.

And life is indeed full of changes, but not all are positive.  Sometimes "tooth and nail fighting" is the better alternative.

Quoting romalove:

What a bunch of crap.

First of all, what is posited is wrong.  The problem with the Muslim bakeries discriminating against gay people and refusing to bake them wedding cakes isn't that they are such a small population.  It's that they were doing it in Michigan, which doesn't recognize sexual orientation as a protected class.  Without that in place, bakeries, photographers, florists, etc., can discriminate openly and at will.  That does not make it right, it makes it non-actionable.

But I want to highlight this paragraph from the above article:

"Islam and secularism are both things of this world. The things of this world, though they may be deeply incompatible with and hostile to each other, are all hostile to things of god, which our Judeo-Christian faith traditions are."

Islam is not like secularism.  Muslims think they are of God, in fact they think they are of the same god as Jews and Christians.  That the person writing this doesn't agree with that doesn't change that.  In fact, it is highly insulting to think that someone else's religion, in fact someone else's religion that is a worship of the same God as yours, isn't "of God" and is akin to believing in nothing at all.

All life is change.  You have two choices, you can embrace change, or you can fight it tooth and nail.  Change comes either way.  Only one of those two options has a positive outcome.


Jesus is not God in Islam but instead a prophet on par with Muhammed.  The God that Jesus is supposed to be the son of, that's the God that Muslims and Jews follow, along with Christians.  There is divergence only regarding Jesus' status as God as well.

You can insist that they follow a different God than you do, but that doesn't make it true.  It means you refuse to acknowledge Islam as one of the three Abrahamic religions.  You can choose to do that, but it doesn't change facts.

Regarding embracing or fighting change:  yes, some change is negative.  But change is going to come regardless.  When I say the choice is embrace or fight it tooth and nail, there is a third option, which is to fight to make the changes the best they can be.

What I see is a call for people to fight that there be any change at all.  That's not going to happen.

Christians MUST move over in America and share it, the perks and privileges that they have experienced over time because they were in such supermajority are ending.  That doesn't mean there is a war on Christians or on Christianity, it means that things that should never have gone on but did because there was no one to oppose are now in conflict with those opposing the wrongness of those privileges and perks.

What is constitutional and what is not is going to be ever more important as we sift through what America is and what America is going to be.  

stacymomof2
by Ruby Member on May. 5, 2015 at 8:42 AM
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If you had ever asked a Muslim for yourself you would know the answer to be that yes, Allah and God are one and the same, and that Jesus (along with Abraham, Job, Noah, and others) are all prophets along with Muhammad, none greater than the other. It is specifically said in Islam word for word that it is so.
have you ever asked a Muslim and got any other answer? Did they tell you about the belief in the divine birth of Jesus? How about Noah and the flood?


Quoting Mtnsmith:

It is a popular but false idea that Christians, Jews, and Muslims "share" the same God.

Ask a Muslim if Allah is the same as the Christian and Jewish God, and Christ is synonymous with Muhammed, and see what kind of answer you get.

And life is indeed full of changes, but not all are positive.  Sometimes "tooth and nail fighting" is the better alternative.

Quoting romalove:

What a bunch of crap.

First of all, what is posited is wrong.  The problem with the Muslim bakeries discriminating against gay people and refusing to bake them wedding cakes isn't that they are such a small population.  It's that they were doing it in Michigan, which doesn't recognize sexual orientation as a protected class.  Without that in place, bakeries, photographers, florists, etc., can discriminate openly and at will.  That does not make it right, it makes it non-actionable.

But I want to highlight this paragraph from the above article:

"Islam and secularism are both things of this world. The things of this world, though they may be deeply incompatible with and hostile to each other, are all hostile to things of god, which our Judeo-Christian faith traditions are."

Islam is not like secularism.  Muslims think they are of God, in fact they think they are of the same god as Jews and Christians.  That the person writing this doesn't agree with that doesn't change that.  In fact, it is highly insulting to think that someone else's religion, in fact someone else's religion that is a worship of the same God as yours, isn't "of God" and is akin to believing in nothing at all.

All life is change.  You have two choices, you can embrace change, or you can fight it tooth and nail.  Change comes either way.  Only one of those two options has a positive outcome.

Mtnsmith
by Bronze Member on May. 5, 2015 at 9:14 AM
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The Christian God is triune - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - three distinct personalities in One God.  

Muslims believe this makes the Christian God polytheistic, which is blasphemy. They do not recognize the Trinity, which is to not recognize the God of Christianity.

Christians consider the belief that Jesus is no greater than other prophets to be blasphemy. Muslims accept the virgin birth of Jesus, but do not believe He died on the Cross, which is integral to Christian beliefs.

There are certainly some points where Christianity and Islam intersect, but no, Allah and God are most definitely not one and the same.

Quoting stacymomof2: If you had ever asked a Muslim for yourself you would know the answer to be that yes, Allah and God are one and the same, and that Jesus (along with Abraham, Job, Noah, and others) are all prophets along with Muhammad, none greater than the other. It is specifically said in Islam word for word that it is so. have you ever asked a Muslim and got any other answer? Did they tell you about the belief in the divine birth of Jesus? How about Noah and the flood?
Quoting Mtnsmith:

It is a popular but false idea that Christians, Jews, and Muslims "share" the same God.

Ask a Muslim if Allah is the same as the Christian and Jewish God, and Christ is synonymous with Muhammed, and see what kind of answer you get.

And life is indeed full of changes, but not all are positive.  Sometimes "tooth and nail fighting" is the better alternative.

Quoting romalove:

What a bunch of crap.

First of all, what is posited is wrong.  The problem with the Muslim bakeries discriminating against gay people and refusing to bake them wedding cakes isn't that they are such a small population.  It's that they were doing it in Michigan, which doesn't recognize sexual orientation as a protected class.  Without that in place, bakeries, photographers, florists, etc., can discriminate openly and at will.  That does not make it right, it makes it non-actionable.

But I want to highlight this paragraph from the above article:

"Islam and secularism are both things of this world. The things of this world, though they may be deeply incompatible with and hostile to each other, are all hostile to things of god, which our Judeo-Christian faith traditions are."

Islam is not like secularism.  Muslims think they are of God, in fact they think they are of the same god as Jews and Christians.  That the person writing this doesn't agree with that doesn't change that.  In fact, it is highly insulting to think that someone else's religion, in fact someone else's religion that is a worship of the same God as yours, isn't "of God" and is akin to believing in nothing at all.

All life is change.  You have two choices, you can embrace change, or you can fight it tooth and nail.  Change comes either way.  Only one of those two options has a positive outcome.



JustCJ
by Gold Member on May. 5, 2015 at 9:30 AM

Birds of a feather. In ways they can't even possibly understand. 

Mtnsmith
by Bronze Member on May. 5, 2015 at 9:35 AM
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Yes, definitely, all Abrahamic faiths have the same beginnings, but the divergence that occurred soon after is irreconcilable.

The Trinity - God as three-in-one - is not negotiable to Christians, and is blasphemy to Muslims. Muslims consider themselves monotheistic, and Christians polytheistic (which is punishable by death.)

"Honoring" Jesus as a prophet, no different than all the other prophets, is blasphemy to Christians, who believe Jesus is God in human form (blasphemy to Muslims.)

If they believe in the same God, either one or the other of them considers Him a liar.

Quoting 4evrinbluejeans:

All are Abrahamic faiths that trace their begins to many of the very same stories and traditions.  Islam honors Jesus as a prophet.  All three do believe in the same God, what is different is the path to Him.  


Quoting Mtnsmith:

It is a popular but false idea that Christians, Jews, and Muslims "share" the same God.

Ask a Muslim if Allah is the same as the Christian and Jewish God, and Christ is synonymous with Muhammed, and see what kind of answer you get.

And life is indeed full of changes, but not all are positive.  Sometimes "tooth and nail fighting" is the better alternative.

Quoting romalove:

What a bunch of crap.

First of all, what is posited is wrong.  The problem with the Muslim bakeries discriminating against gay people and refusing to bake them wedding cakes isn't that they are such a small population.  It's that they were doing it in Michigan, which doesn't recognize sexual orientation as a protected class.  Without that in place, bakeries, photographers, florists, etc., can discriminate openly and at will.  That does not make it right, it makes it non-actionable.

But I want to highlight this paragraph from the above article:

"Islam and secularism are both things of this world. The things of this world, though they may be deeply incompatible with and hostile to each other, are all hostile to things of god, which our Judeo-Christian faith traditions are."

Islam is not like secularism.  Muslims think they are of God, in fact they think they are of the same god as Jews and Christians.  That the person writing this doesn't agree with that doesn't change that.  In fact, it is highly insulting to think that someone else's religion, in fact someone else's religion that is a worship of the same God as yours, isn't "of God" and is akin to believing in nothing at all.

All life is change.  You have two choices, you can embrace change, or you can fight it tooth and nail.  Change comes either way.  Only one of those two options has a positive outcome.



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