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Football coach suspended for praying before games

Posted by on Oct. 29, 2015 at 7:16 PM
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A football field in Washington state has become more than a battleground for athletes as the suspension of an assistant coach for praying at midfield after games divided people around the country over the religious rights of school employees.

District officials put Joe Kennedy, Bremerton High School's assistant football coach, on paid administrative leave because he ignored orders to stop overt religious displays on the field. Citing past Supreme Court and appeals court cases, officials said they did not want to be seen as endorsing religion.


"While attending games may be voluntary for most students, students required to be present by virtue of their participation in football or cheerleading will necessarily suffer a degree of coercion to participate in religious activity when their coaches lead or endorse it," Bremerton School District said.

The senior class president was among some students and teachers who pressed for the district to clarify its policy on religion. Abe Bartlett said he was one of those who invited a group of self-described Satanists to attend the Thursday night game in a push for answers.

"The main reason I did it is to portray to the school district that I think we should either have a policy that we're not going to have any religious affiliation or public religious practices, or they should say people are going to be allowed to practice their religion publicly whatever their beliefs," the 17-year-old said Wednesday.

"They need to either go black or white," Bartlett said, noting that the issue has become a topic of discussion in his government class. "I don't think this controversial middle ground is what our school needs."

Meanwhile, supporters filled Kennedy's Facebook page, verified by his attorney Hiram Sasser, with messages. His profile picture showed a group of people in "Praying Coach" shirts, and he posted a message urging people to "forget me and come support these incredible young men" playing Thursday.


Kennedy has prayed before and after games, sometimes joined by students, since 2008, but the district asked him to stop when the practice recently came to its attention.

He initially agreed, but then, with support from the Texas-based Liberty Institute, a religious-freedom organization, he resumed the postgame prayers, silently taking a knee for 15 to 20 seconds at midfield after shaking hands with the opposing coaches.

His lawyers insist he is not leading students in prayer, just praying himself. Dozens of lawmakers in the Congressional Prayer Caucus sent a letter this week to the superintendent expressing support for the coach.

Kennedy was still employed and will be paid through the remainder of his contract term unless his status changes, the district said Wednesday night. He won't be allowed to participate in any activities related to the football program, although the district said he can attend games as a member of the public. The district also said it appreciated his long service to the football program.

Kennedy's lawyers said they expected him to attend Thursday's game.

Sasser said the decision to put his client on leave was shocking. He said they plan to file a charge of discrimination with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, a step that could lead to a lawsuit.

About 10 members of the Satanic Temple of Seattle clad in robes still plan to go to the game to support the teachers and students who invited them. The organization said the district created a forum for religious expression open to all groups by allowing the coach to continue praying and cheered the decision to put Kennedy on leave.

"Clearly, they're taking a strong position to keep church and state separate," chapter head Lilith Starr said Thursday.
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momof31995
by on Oct. 29, 2015 at 7:59 PM
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Freedom of religion. Seperation if church and state only applies to the fact that the government can't tell you what to believe in. Not where you can express your beliefs.
couture-mommy
by 8.21.1831 on Oct. 29, 2015 at 8:03 PM
Yep.
Plus it seems more ritualistic.
I don't know why anyone would take issue with it.

Quoting momof31995: Freedom of religion. Seperatiob if church and state only applies to the fact that the government can't tell you what to believe in. Not where you can express your beliefs.
momof31995
by on Oct. 29, 2015 at 8:06 PM
Exactly he was not forcing anyone to join him. Our coaches teams and cheerleaders pray before games on their own. I see nothing wrong with it. Its not like the kids are lined up on the field for forced exorcisms.

Quoting couture-mommy: Yep.

Plus it seems more ritualistic.

I don't know why anyone would take issue with it.
Quoting momof31995: Freedom of religion. Seperatiob if church and state only applies to the fact that the government can't tell you what to believe in. Not where you can express your beliefs.
francee89
by Gold Member on Oct. 29, 2015 at 8:07 PM
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I think the legal arguments will come down to semantics like if he's doing it aloud, who joins in, whether it's considered school time or not, etc. Personally, I don't understand the need to make a spectacle of himself. Will whatever God he's praying to somehow hear an upright prayer from the sidelines less well than one in a prayer stance at midfield?
FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Oct. 29, 2015 at 8:51 PM
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The school doesn't want a lawsuit or any other happenings taking place because this man refused to stop doing what they told him to stop doing.

He had the backing of most of his team which I am sure upset a few.

As long as he never asks, or expects, any given student to join in and he prayers to himself by himself, have at it.

He continued to make a spectacle of himself when he knew better.  Trying to prove a point has him sitting on the sidelines.  Good thing the season is either already over or almost over.  

faire_jour
by on Oct. 29, 2015 at 8:55 PM
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The Satanists have every right to pray too. All are welcome to exercise their religious beliefs.

couture-mommy
by 8.21.1831 on Oct. 29, 2015 at 9:09 PM
Yep

Quoting faire_jour:

The Satanists have every right to pray too. All are welcome to exercise their religious beliefs.

Pema_Jampa
by on Oct. 29, 2015 at 9:30 PM
Let him pray. So tired of hearing about this.
momof31995
by on Oct. 29, 2015 at 9:38 PM
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No by all means please tell us how it is in PJ's Utopia.

Quoting Pema_Jampa: Let him pray. So tired of hearing about this.
Pema_Jampa
by on Oct. 29, 2015 at 9:40 PM
Oh you like me! Lol cute

Quoting momof31995: No by all means please tell us how it is in PJ's Utopia.

Quoting Pema_Jampa: Let him pray. So tired of hearing about this.
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