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Jack Hanna: Gorilla would have killed child

Posted by on May. 30, 2016 at 9:51 AM
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Jack Hanna, long time wildlife and zoo expert, said the gorilla would have killed the child, no doubt in his mind.

Most videos did not show the gorilla dragging the child through the water.  They only showed the gorilla standing quietly over the child.  That isn't all that happened.

The videos also don't show the ten minute delay that occurred between when the child fell and the gorilla was shot.  The keepers tried again and again to call the gorilla away.  The gorillas are trained to respond to a call and to go to their enclosure.  

It never appeared that the gorilla was biting or attacking the child in an aggressive manner, but just in attempting to move the child, he was exerting a lot of force and could have killed the child.

If the gorilla had gone back with the others when called, if the crowd had not been screaming so loud, if the child had not screamed, things MAY have gone differently, but when animal experts with 5-6 decades of experience dealing with these creatures say the child would have been killed, I believe them.

I think that the parents and the crowd screaming terrified the child.  He also may have been very afraid of the gorilla no matter what anyone else did.

No, the gorilla did not bite or attack, but simply in dragging  the child he could have killed him.

Too, I believe the gorilla would have tried to carry the child up out of the water.  No matter how gentle he may have been, he could not understand that human toddlers can't grasp and hold on like a gorilla baby would.  The child would have fallen to his death.

I still feel the parents were not vigilant enough.  The child stated repeatedly that he wanted to get into the enclosure.  They should have watched him more carefully and held onto him.

I'm with the people of Cincinnati who are upset and losing an endangered animal.  That was a magnificent male gorilla.  But no matter how gentle he could have easily killed the child unintentionally.

No one could have shut up that crowd, unfortuately, and it was easy to see that the noise was agitating the male gorilla.  And not one soul had the presence of mind to call down the child and tell him to LIE STILL, NOT CRY OUT LOUD, and simply let the gorilla move him and that people would be there for him quickly.

It's not possible to know if all that had been different, that it would have been enough to prevent the child's death.  It may not have been enough. 

I'm not sure that people who are claiming 'gorillas are gentle' have any understanding of how they think and behave.  They are active, powerful animals and have strong drives to protect their group and to respond to strange and unfamiliar situations.  They are not gentle enough to leave a 3 year old toddler in an enclosure with them.  Such claims are absurd.

Note update and how partial the picture was.  Links included.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/05/29/boy-falls-enclosure-gorilla-killed-witness-nr.cnn/video/playlists/boy-falls-into-gorilla-habitat/






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denise3680
by Platinum Member on May. 30, 2016 at 10:01 AM
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I have taken my children to zoo's all over the country and not once have they fallen or tried to climb thru or into an enclosure:/ why you ask?  because I watch them and teach them to maintain a safe distance from the bars:/ Not one incident with three small ones in atleast 7 different zoo's:/ I blame the parents for that beautiful gorilla being put into a situation to which got him killed.  I am not saying that i would not want anything to be done to save the child, but I will criticize these parents for not paying more attention to their childs activities:/

fnpdocgrrl
by Boudica on May. 30, 2016 at 10:03 AM
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It sucks all around that it had to be done, but the zoo did do the right thing.

Ultimately the fault lay with the child's idiotic parents who failed to keep their son safe.  


LGAll65
by on May. 30, 2016 at 10:06 AM
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I agree with him. He IS the expert.

Who would chose the gorilla over the child? People are getting irate because the gorilla was shot.

A child's life is so much more important than that of a gorilla. Anyone who is upset about the gorilla is missing a few marbles. They shouldn't be trusted with a kid--they should go work at a zoo or a farm, etc. if they prefer to care about a gorilla, an animal.

coolmommy2x
by Platinum Member on May. 30, 2016 at 10:07 AM
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I agree with you. I saw something on FB saying the parents should be held accountable and I don't know what would entail but I agree.

Quoting denise3680:

I have taken my children to zoo's all over the country and not once have they fallen or tried to climb thru or into an enclosure:/ why you ask?  because I watch them and teach them to maintain a safe distance from the bars:/ Not one incident with three small ones in atleast 7 different zoo's:/ I blame the parents for that beautiful gorilla being put into a situation to which got him killed.  I am not saying that i would not want anything to be done to save the child, but I will criticize these parents for not paying more attention to their childs activities:/

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WaterorWine
by Χριστιανός on May. 30, 2016 at 10:08 AM
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I agree with him. People forget that tranquilizers take time to work and he could have killed him while waiting.

It's sad but it had to be done. Blame the parents, not the officials who had to kill the gorilla.
anxiousschk
by anxiouss on May. 30, 2016 at 10:15 AM
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In a nutshell. 

There's no choice to make between a child and a gorilla. 

Quoting fnpdocgrrl:

It sucks all around that it had to be done, but the zoo did do the right thing.

Ultimately the fault lay with the child's idiotic parents who failed to keep their son safe.  


lancet98
by Gold Member on May. 30, 2016 at 10:20 AM

I disagree with one point only.

Most people who talk like that can't be allowed around dangerous animals and most employers would not allow them anywhere near such animals.  They do incredibly stupid things. They endanger not just themselves, but other people as well as the animals.

One's beliefs have a huge effect on one's choices as to what to do, how to behave.  One's beliefs are put into action.  And in the case of these people that's a pretty scary thing.

Many of them buy exotic animals and wind up being killed by them.

We had a lady like that at a riding stable for children. 

She was terrifying.  She did the stupidest things.  One time she was encouraging the horses to 'kiss' her and another time she tried to lay down next to an old horse that was trying to lie down and rest.

The poor animal scrambled awkwardly to its feet(it was arthritic and very stiff, and had some mild neurological problems with its balance - and most horses are not comfortable with a human trying to get near them when they're lying down - that's just instinct).  The poor thing tried valiantly not to step on her but just barely brushed her leg and broke it.   Her husband forbade her to come back. 

Another lady was bragging constantly about her 'special gift' with horses - and yes, the animal life is more important than human life because people suck.  She certaintly sucked.  One day her elderly horse got startled at something and moved about 3 inches sideways, and she proceeded to scream like a banshee - sending other horses running and riders tumbling off.  Several people were badly injured.

Quoting LGAll65:

I agree with him. He IS the expert.

Who would chose the gorilla over the child? People are getting irate because the gorilla was shot.

A child's life is so much more important than that of a gorilla. Anyone who is upset about the gorilla is missing a few marbles. They shouldn't be trusted with a kid--they should go work at a zoo or a farm, etc. if they prefer to care about a gorilla, an animal.


lancet98
by Gold Member on May. 30, 2016 at 10:25 AM
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I'm glad you do that.

Years ago some 2 year old running around loose at a fair, ran up behind a draft horse and grabbed it around the leg.  The horse reacted in fear, lifting and kicking out with his leg.  I don't think the horse even knew what it was, he just reacted instinctively.  The child got  a very badly bruised face and swollen eye, though he healed up fine.

Of course, the parents blamed the horse owner and the horse.

The area was roped off and signage stated everywhere, repeated that children must be kept under the control of an adult or you will be escorted off the property.

There are many hazardous places - parades, fairs, zoos, aquariums, car races, dog shows, horse shows, farm exhibits, amusement park rides, etc.  Parents need to keep ahold of their children.

I've seen many parents with small toddlers in these places, with a LEASH on the child.  I don't think that's a bad idea at all.

Quoting denise3680:

I have taken my children to zoo's all over the country and not once have they fallen or tried to climb thru or into an enclosure:/ why you ask?  because I watch them and teach them to maintain a safe distance from the bars:/ Not one incident with three small ones in atleast 7 different zoo's:/ I blame the parents for that beautiful gorilla being put into a situation to which got him killed.  I am not saying that i would not want anything to be done to save the child, but I will criticize these parents for not paying more attention to their childs activities:/


quickbooksworm
by Gold Member on May. 30, 2016 at 10:31 AM
You're spot on. I used to work in exotic animal rescue. 99% of the time, the animal was there because the human had unrealistic expectations of it. Because people get them as sweet babies they often treat them as humans and don't learn how you need to interact with animals, then end up getting hurt. You'd think people wouldn't need someone to tell them not to stick their face in the face of a primate or parrot but they do.

Quoting lancet98:

I disagree with one point only.

Most people who talk like that can't be allowed around dangerous animals and most employers would not allow them anywhere near such animals.  They do incredibly stupid things.

One's beliefs have a huge effect on one's choices as to what to do, how to behave.

Many of them buy exotic animals and wind up being killed by them.

We had a lady like that at a riding stable. 

She was terrifying.  She did the stupidest things.  One time she was encouraging the horses to 'kiss' her and another time she tried to lay down next to an old horse that was trying to lie down and rest.

The poor animal scrambled awkwardly to its feet(it was arthritic and very stiff, and had some mild neurological problems with its balance).  The poor thing tried valiantly not to step on her but just barely brushed her leg and broke it.   Her husband forbade her to come back. 

Another lady was bragging constantly about her 'special gift' with horses - and yes, the animal life is more important than human life because people suck.  She certaintly sucked.  One day her elderly horse got startled at something and moved about 3 inches sideways, and she proceeded to scream like a banshee - sending other horses running and riders tumbling off.  Several people were badly injured.

Quoting LGAll65:

I agree with him. He IS the expert.

Who would chose the gorilla over the child? People are getting irate because the gorilla was shot.

A child's life is so much more important than that of a gorilla. Anyone who is upset about the gorilla is missing a few marbles. They shouldn't be trusted with a kid--they should go work at a zoo or a farm, etc. if they prefer to care about a gorilla, an animal.

KaleaLani
by Gold Member on May. 30, 2016 at 10:44 AM
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I disagree. Gorillas are beautiful, intelligent animals and this one had done nothing wrong. His enclosure was invaded and he acted on instinct. You can't fault an animal for that. It is a shame he had to be killed. But that doesn't mean that I don't completely understand that it HAD to happen that way for the safety of that little boy. It is possible to separate the two. It sucks that it was the only possible outcome.

Quoting LGAll65:

I agree with him. He IS the expert.

Who would chose the gorilla over the child? People are getting irate because the gorilla was shot.

A child's life is so much more important than that of a gorilla. Anyone who is upset about the gorilla is missing a few marbles. They shouldn't be trusted with a kid--they should go work at a zoo or a farm, etc. if they prefer to care about a gorilla, an animal.

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