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Hillary and the hypocritical Democrats aren't defending American democracy from foreign meddling, they are a clear and present danger to it

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Hillary and the hypocritical Democrats aren't defending American democracy from foreign meddling, they are a clear and present danger to it

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Cast your minds back to a few weeks before the US election.

Republican nominee Donald Trump repeatedly stated to anyone who would listen that the system was ‘rigged’ against him so he would lose and therefore, he might challenge the result.

The response from Democrats, and much of the media, was instant and furious as they raced to denounce this ‘unprecedented’ attack on democracy.

Hillary Clinton’s campaign went even further, branding Trump ‘un-American’.

Remember just weeks before the election when Hillary Clinton’s campaign  branded Trump ‘un-American’ for saying he may challenge the election the result?  At the time it never crossed their superior arrogant minds that they could lose to him

Remember just weeks before the election when Hillary Clinton’s campaign branded Trump ‘un-American’ for saying he may challenge the election the result?  At the time it never crossed their superior arrogant minds that they could lose to him

Of course, at that stage, the Clinton camp all assumed their candidate was going to win.

It never crossed their elitist, arrogant, superior minds that Trump, a man they perceived to be an ignorant, unelectable Neanderthal, had a cat-in-hell’s chance of beating the woman dubbed ‘the most qualified candidate in history’ by President Obama.

Then Trump sensationally triumphed, sparking weeks of Biblical scale weeping and wailing from those who opposed him.

Their deluded, defiant, sore loser fury has known no bounds.

Indeed, it has now escalated in its intensity and desperation.

‘But Hillary won the popular vote!’ they first shrieked, meaninglessly. As everyone with half a brain knows, the US general election is not and never has been decided by popular vote. If it were, then campaigning would be done in a very different way.

‘The election results were fixed!’ they then bellowed, as Green loser Jill Stein launched a pathetic evidence-devoid bid, backed by Clinton’s campaign, to demand recounts in three states. Her lamentable action was thrown out by judges in Pennsylvania and Michigan. And in Wisconsin, the only state where there’s been a full recount, Trump’s lead actually increased!

Now, the Clinton camp’s launched one final, breathtakingly stupid and highly dangerous Hail Mary pass.

In an astonishing development, Hillary’s campaign chairman John Podesta has publicly endorsed an attempted coup by members of the Electoral College to try to overturn the election result next week.

There is now a mass Democrat-led effort to thwart Trump's presidency from ever starting - but the blame should lie with Obama and those in his government whose job it is to stop hacks. All the squealing  would carry more weight if it hadn’t been for their own failures

There is now a mass Democrat-led effort to thwart Trump's presidency from ever starting - but the blame should lie with Obama and those in his government whose job it is to stop hacks. All the squealing would carry more weight if it hadn’t been for their own failures

Ten members of the College have made a formal request to the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, to supply more information on the relationship between Trump and Russia before they finalise their votes on December 19.

They said they are doing so to ‘investigate, discuss and deliberate with our colleagues about whom to vote for in the election’ and to help them decide if Trump is ‘fit to serve as President of the United States.’

Podesta, on behalf of Clinton, has supported their move, claiming that Russia intervened in the election to Trump’s benefit by hacking into Democrat emails, including his own, and leaking them to Wikileaks who then posted them.

The CIA shares this view.

As does the White House, which even suggested yesterday that Trump was in on the scam because he jokily encouraged the Russians to find the 30,000 emails that Hillary deleted from her infamous private server.

It’s thus a mass Democrat-led effort to thwart Trump’s presidency from even starting.

There’s just one problem, and it’s the exact same problem that made a mockery of Jill Stein’s complaint: there is no actual evidence to support any of this.

Nobody has proven the Russians hacked anyone in this election, and nobody has proven Trump knew about any such hacking even if it ever occurred.

They’re all just guessing.

Or in the case of the CIA, it is their ‘belief’ that Russia and Wikileaks were in cahoots. In which case, I suggest they very quickly show us why they believe this, not least because the FBI doesn’t apparently share its rival agency’s opinion.

But what if it IS true?

Say the Russians did target Democrats’ emails, and gave them to Julian Assange’s vociferously anti-Clinton team to deliberately influence the election.

a) It would hardly be a great surprise and b) whose fault would that be?

I’d say the fault of the CIA, FBI and every other US intelligence agency charged with preventing such hacking from occurring.

They all knew about the massive threat of an online attack during this election.

Only last year, Sony was hacked by North Korea to devastating effect.

And it’s been widely accepted for years that the Chinese hack anything that moves in American cyberspace.

Should they have wished to look a little closer to home for advice, they could have asked Edward Snowden just how easy it is for the NSA to hack into people’s personal information.

So it would be a stupendously dumb and deeply embarrassing breach of supposed intelligence if the Russians HAD been able to do what they all now want us to believe they did.

And the blame would surely lie not with Trump but Obama and those in his government whose job it is to stop these hacks happening.

The CIA, FBI and every other US intelligence agency are charged with preventing hackings.
Should they have wished to look for advice, they could have asked Edward Snowden just how easy it is for the NSA to hack into people’s personal information
Remember earlier this year Obama came to Britain and warned against Brexit - a shameless attempt of his own to 'rig' an election

US intelligence agencies are charged with preventing hackings. They could have asked Edward Snowden just how easy it is for the NSA to hack personal information. And remember, Obama came to Britain and warned against Brexit - his own shameless attempt to 'rig' a vote

All the Democrat squealing now would frankly carry a lot more weight if it hadn’t been their own failures that may or may not have led to any hacking in the first place.

There’s also a wider hypocrisy here and that’s about the issue of foreign entities trying to interfere in free, democratic elections held in other countries.

Earlier this summer, I seem to remember Barack Obama coming over to my country, Britain, and warning us that if we didn’t all vote to stay in the European Union then we’d be ‘back of the queue’ when it came to future trade deals.

That was just about the most deliberate, shameless attempt to ‘rig’ an election (or in this case, referendum) I’ve ever seen. Here was the most powerful man on earth basically putting the arm on a much smaller country to get the result he wanted.

The fact that Obama failed in his mission is immaterial.

What we are witnessing now with the Electoral College is an equally sinister attempt to tamper with the will of the people.

It’s also just as disgustingly hypocritical.

Hillary Clinton lost fair and square on November 8 and there is zero concrete evidence to suggest otherwise.

Rather than take her defeat with good grace, she has tried everything to get the result changed.

Now she is targeting the very cornerstone of American democracy, using spurious allegations about unproven Russian hacking to persuade members of the Electoral College to change the votes they are supposed to automatically cast to reflect the votes of their individual state electorate.

As the Democrats berated Trump when he said he might not accept the result: this is not just an unprecedented and dangerous attack on democracy, it’s profoundly un-American. 

 

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meriana
by Ruby Member on Dec. 13, 2016 at 7:49 PM
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Interesting article, interesting points. I don't think the release by wikileaks of the Podesta emails had as much of an effect as they'd like to think. A lot of people didn't want Hillary elected long before that all came out. They just can't accept the idea that the reason she lost was Hillary, herself, but then her supporters have pretty much always been far to willing to put her on some kind of pedestal,  it's always someone else's fault, Hillary is never to blame no matter what. Hillary, her campaign team and her supporters all believed that she'd be elected because as her team put it, she was the "rightful heir". It's all rather disgusting.

IandLoveandYou
by Silver Member on Dec. 13, 2016 at 10:45 PM
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I will say that Trump makes himself look very guilty.

Now that the the CIA has come out with this revelation he says

"These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction," the transition said in a terse, unsigned statement.

"The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history. It's now time to move on and 'Make America Great Again.'"

"I don't believe it. I don't believe they interfered," Trump said in an interview for the latest issue of Time magazine, adding that he thought intelligence community accusations about Russian interventions in the election were politically motivated.

Probably almost definitely not the same people who said Saddam Hussien had weapons of mass destruction. About the 46th biggest electoral college victory out of 58, and it was only 5 weeks ago. I mean, if he wants to be petty.

If Trump really wants to make it look like he is innocent in this whole hacking thing, he needs to stop this "nothing to see here" nonsense. He should want to investigate Russia hacking the election. He was asked during the debates, if he would condem any Russian interference in the American election and he was all "of course I would." Now that it's been brought to light he's like "nope, ridiculous, lets move on." Come onnn.

Not to mention he looks like an idiot with this "why wasn't this brought up before the election" shit in Twitter when he answered questions about it specifically.

Obama and the intelligence committee have been talking about this since October. They formally accused Russia of trying to interfere with the election.. in October. He needs to pay better attention, it's pretty embarassing/terrifying. He spreads misinformation like wildfire.

jpickens
by Platinum Member on Dec. 14, 2016 at 12:10 AM
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Podesta was targeted directly. He is free to be as pissed about it as he pleases.  I'm adamantly against misusing technology to invade someone's privacy. 

 

jpickens
by Platinum Member on Dec. 14, 2016 at 12:13 AM
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Trump is making himself look extremely guilty.  His mouth is his worst enemy.  People keep saying give Trump a chance but its unreasonable to ask if he keeps behaving like this. 

Quoting IandLoveandYou:

I will say that Trump makes himself look very guilty.

Now that the the CIA has come out with this revelation he says

"These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction," the transition said in a terse, unsigned statement.

"The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history. It's now time to move on and 'Make America Great Again.'"
"I don't believe it. I don't believe they interfered," Trump said in an interview for the latest issue of Time magazine, adding that he thought intelligence community accusations about Russian interventions in the election were politically motivated.

Probably almost definitely not the same people who said Saddam Hussien had weapons of mass destruction. About the 46th biggest electoral college victory out of 58, and it was only 5 weeks ago. I mean, if he wants to be petty.

If Trump really wants to make it look like he is innocent in this whole hacking thing, he needs to stop this "nothing to see here" nonsense. He should want to investigate Russia hacking the election. He was asked during the debates, if he would condem any Russian interference in the American election and he was all "of course I would." Now that it's been brought to light he's like "nope, ridiculous, lets move on." Come onnn.

Not to mention he looks like an idiot with this "why wasn't this brought up before the election" shit in Twitter when he answered questions about it specifically.

Obama and the intelligence committee have been talking about this since October. They formally accused Russia of trying to interfere with the election.. in October. He needs to pay better attention, it's pretty embarassing/terrifying. He spreads misinformation like wildfire.


AdrianneHill
by Ruby Member on Dec. 14, 2016 at 12:46 AM
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I don't want to say if the election would have gone a different way if the leaks didn't occur. I can't say because i don't know. I don't really care.
I care very much that a foreign government hacked major political players in this country with the intention of influencing an election and its aftermath. Rnc got hacked too. What emails are being used as blackmail? Who is holding those emails? What do they want for their continued silence? Why don't you care


Quoting meriana:

Interesting article, interesting points. I don't think the release by wikileaks of the Podesta emails had as much of an effect as they'd like to think. A lot of people didn't want Hillary elected long before that all came out. They just can't accept the idea that the reason she lost was Hillary, herself, but then her supporters have pretty much always been far to willing to put her on some kind of pedestal,  it's always someone else's fault, Hillary is never to blame no matter what. Hillary, her campaign team and her supporters all believed that she'd be elected because as her team put it, she was the "rightful heir". It's all rather disgusting.

GaleJ
by Bronze Member on Dec. 14, 2016 at 1:39 AM
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I think every American should be concerned about the idea of a foreign power trying to act against a fair election...no matter the outcome or for whom they voted.
Healthystart30
by Gold Member on Dec. 14, 2016 at 2:51 AM
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Hillary elitist but Trump is what? I'm tired of stupid articles! Focus on the real problems please! Why would silly Trump supporters not want to investiagate if Russia meddled? Your king already said that the system is rigged, is he scared of what might be found?
dawncs
by on Dec. 14, 2016 at 3:06 AM
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I am no Trump fan. However, Hillary left a long paper trail she had to overcome of statements which went against core groups she hoped to gain votes from, and the paper trail is over 26 years old. She made some really horrible statements with some of them pretty young and still able to remember them too well. It worked against her in her past too well!

Quoting meriana:

Interesting article, interesting points. I don't think the release by wikileaks of the Podesta emails had as much of an effect as they'd like to think. A lot of people didn't want Hillary elected long before that all came out. They just can't accept the idea that the reason she lost was Hillary, herself, but then her supporters have pretty much always been far to willing to put her on some kind of pedestal,  it's always someone else's fault, Hillary is never to blame no matter what. Hillary, her campaign team and her supporters all believed that she'd be elected because as her team put it, she was the "rightful heir". It's all rather disgusting.


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GloriousChaos
by Silver Member on Dec. 14, 2016 at 5:12 AM
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Russia hacked 2 places. RNC and DNC. And only exposed information from one. To the advantage of their preferred candidate.

It should be investigated. Period.
Lisa1273
by Silver Member on Dec. 14, 2016 at 5:39 AM
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These 2 lines in the article say it all.  

So it would be a stupendously dumb and deeply embarrassing breach of supposed intelligence if the Russians HAD been able to do what they all now want us to believe they did.

And the blame would surely lie not with Trump but Obama and those in his government whose job it is to stop these hacks happening.

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