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Were Democrats Working With the Russians?

Posted by on Jul. 14, 2017 at 12:19 PM
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Because of left-wing outrage and media obsession, the nation has focused on whether the Trump campaign colluded with Russians to influence the American election. In the hype and hysteria, we have been distracted from an obvious issue. If, as the Obama administration claimed, the Russians merely wanted to undermine American trust in the democratic process, would not they work both sides against each other? It is looking more and more like that may be the case.

To understand the tangled details around Donald Trump, Jr.‘s meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya, we first have to examine the Magnitsky Act. That act was named for Sergei Magnitsky, a Russian lawyer who exposed massive tax fraud in Russia at the government level. For that exposure, the Russian government arrested Magnitsky, tortured him, and left him to die in jail. The international outrage was overwhelming and a bipartisan group in Congress passed the Magnitsky Act.

The legislation allowed, in part, the Department of Justice to seize American assets of Russian oligarchs exposed by Magnitsky. The Russian company Prevezon Holdings had its assets seized. It set about hiring lawyers, political strategists, and others to get is money back. Prevezon made three very interesting hires.

Prevezon hired Natalia Veselnitskaya, the lawyer who subsequently met with Donald Trump, Jr. Prevezon also hired Rinat Akhmetshin, described by Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) as a former Soviet counterintelligence officer who specialized in disinformation and propaganda campaigns. Akhmetshin also retained Veselnitskaya as lawyer for a third party group that claims to be a Human Rights group. Prevezon and Akhmetshin also worked with a Democrat opposition research group called Fusion GPS.

Here is where the web starts to tangle. According to Sen. Grassley, who wants Fusion GPS’s executives to testify to Congress, “Fusion GPS was apparently simultaneously working on the unsubstantiated dossier alleging collusion between Trump presidential campaign associates and Russia” while also working with Prevezon to overturn the Magnitsky Act.

Suddenly it seems more than a coincidence that Prevezon’s lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, has a meeting with Donald Trump, Jr. at the time Fusion GPS is putting together a dossier claiming the Trump campaign had been meeting with Russians. But it gets even more tangled than that.

Natalia Veselnitskaya’s visa for entry into the United States had expired by 2016. She could not enter the country and a United States Attorney denied her “temporary parole” to enter the country. Nonetheless, the Obama administration overruled the United States Attorney and allowed Ms. Veselnitskaya into the United States on an expired visa to meet with Donald Trump, Jr.

My understanding is there are generally only two grounds for such permission to be given. First, a lawyer like Ms. Veselnitskaya could show she was the only legal agent of a company currently in court. That did not apply here because Prevezon also retained the American law firm Baker Hostetler, which also has ties to Fusion GPS. The second way is to have a collaborative relationship with the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Sen. Grassley, in a press release outlining his potential questions to former FBI Director James Comey, notes that the FBI planned “to hire former British spy Christopher Steele to investigate Donald Trump during the presidential campaign, even though the FBI was aware that he was being paid by Democrat political operatives to conduct opposition research on Trump.” Steele, you see, helped Fusion GPS compile the dossier on Donald Trump.

It could just be a coincidence that the Obama administration let Natalia Veselnitskaya enter the United States to meet with Donald Trump, Jr. It could also be a coincidence that her client, Prevezon, hired Fusion GPS to help Russia at the same time Fusion GPS was compiling a dossier on Donald Trump claiming Trump was working with the Russians. And it could be a coincidence that the FBI considered hiring the man who helped Fusion GPS compile that dossier.

It could all be a coincidence, or it could start to paint a new picture. The Russians could have been masterfully playing both sides so that whoever won, Russia came out on top. Mrs. Clinton, after all, claims she reset the relationship with Russia.


Eric Erickson

by on Jul. 14, 2017 at 12:19 PM
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Kwitcherbetchen
by Silver Member on Jul. 14, 2017 at 12:57 PM
Looking more and more like the Russian attorney was a plant by the DNC.
pdxmum
by Gold Member on Jul. 14, 2017 at 1:15 PM
Even if it was a dem plant, baby trumpie junior took the meeting with love.

Sure, investigate Dems also. My priority is the one who won the presidency, not the one who lost.
MominCa
by Member on Jul. 14, 2017 at 1:17 PM

and here is another twist.. why is any one working with them is the real question 

Billiejeens
by The Librarian on Jul. 14, 2017 at 1:20 PM
I hate to fall back to that critical thinking thingy again But.....

Doesn't agreeing to this meeting negate any idea that high level Russian operatives were working with the Trump campaign?

If Trump was already connected, why take a meeting with an unknown entity?

Quoting Kwitcherbetchen: Looking more and more like the Russian attorney was a plant by the DNC.
Kwitcherbetchen
by Silver Member on Jul. 14, 2017 at 1:24 PM
True. Seems critical thinking is not a liberal strong point.

Quoting Billiejeens: I hate to fall back to that critical thinking thingy again But.....

Doesn't agreeing to this meeting negate any idea that high level Russian operatives were working with the Trump campaign?

If Trump was already connected, why take a meeting with an unknown entity?

Quoting Kwitcherbetchen: Looking more and more like the Russian attorney was a plant by the DNC.
PamR
by Ruby Member on Jul. 14, 2017 at 1:40 PM

LOL - keep trying. 

iwashere
by on Jul. 14, 2017 at 1:54 PM
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Wow. I used my critical thinking skills - and my ability to do simple research - and to my absolute shock and dismay, found your article was missing some facts.

1. The dossier was originally comissioned through fusion gps by unnamed republicans prior to trump winning the republican nomination (October 2015).

2. After trump got the nomantion, the democrats commissioned the dossier to continue to be compiled.

3. Obviously, fusion gps is not merely used by democrats. In fact, it is used by attorneys, international corporations and both us political parties.

4. While fusion gps did work for the attorneys representing prevozon, it was a different timeline than the dossier compilation. There is no evidence that the work was related.

5. Next week, fusion gps will be testifying before a congressional committee, so I'm sure you could watch or read the transcripts and get some actual factual news from it.

Kwitcherbetchen
by Silver Member on Jul. 14, 2017 at 2:00 PM
So now explain why the Obama administration 1.allowed this attorney into the country 2. Allowed this attorney to remain in the country 6 months after the temp visa expired. 3. This attorney claimed to have info she clearly knew she didn't have 4. This whole thing stinks of a set up.


ETA: the excuse they didn't know she was still here don't fly since she socialized among them during the 6 month overstay. She is a DNC plant. Oh and explain why if the Russians were helping Trump, would they send a lawyer who had no info that would help him?

Quoting iwashere:

Wow. I used my critical thinking skills - and my ability to do simple research - and to my absolute shock and dismay, found your article was missing some facts.

1. The dossier was originally comissioned through fusion gps by unnamed republicans prior to trump winning the republican nomination (October 2015).

2. After trump got the nomantion, the democrats commissioned the dossier to continue to be compiled.

3. Obviously, fusion gps is not merely used by democrats. In fact, it is used by attorneys, international corporations and both us political parties.

4. While fusion gps did work for the attorneys representing prevozon, it was a different timeline than the dossier compilation. There is no evidence that the work was related.

5. Next week, fusion gps will be testifying before a congressional committee, so I'm sure you could watch or read the transcripts and get some actual factual news from it.

4evrinbluejeans
by KK on Jul. 14, 2017 at 2:16 PM
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She was allowed into the country on a temporary visa to represent her client Prevezon Holdings.  Who was on trial for fraud, and just recently reached a settlement with the US DOJ (May 2017).  Why did she overstay?  Nearly 700,000 people overstayed their visas in 2016.  Staying on expired visas accounts for 66% of undocumented immigrants to the US.  This is not a sign of suspect conspiracy, and 6 months is not a long time.  

Just because they claim that she didn't have anything doesn't mean she didn't.  She has been a very vocal advocate against sanctions, it makes sense that she would be here to hopefully prime the pump to get Trump to ease the way.  

Your pretzel thinking requires a complete lack of common sense.  

Quoting Kwitcherbetchen: So now explain why the Obama administration 1.allowed this attorney into the country 2. Allowed this attorney to remain in the country 6 months after the temp visa expired. 3. This attorney claimed to have info she clearly knew she didn't have 4. This whole thing stinks of a set up. ETA: the excuse they didn't know she was still here don't fly since she socialized among them during the 6 month overstay. She is a DNC plant. Oh and explain why if the Russians were helping Trump, would they send a lawyer who had no info that would help him?
Quoting iwashere:

Wow. I used my critical thinking skills - and my ability to do simple research - and to my absolute shock and dismay, found your article was missing some facts.

1. The dossier was originally comissioned through fusion gps by unnamed republicans prior to trump winning the republican nomination (October 2015).

2. After trump got the nomantion, the democrats commissioned the dossier to continue to be compiled.

3. Obviously, fusion gps is not merely used by democrats. In fact, it is used by attorneys, international corporations and both us political parties.

4. While fusion gps did work for the attorneys representing prevozon, it was a different timeline than the dossier compilation. There is no evidence that the work was related.

5. Next week, fusion gps will be testifying before a congressional committee, so I'm sure you could watch or read the transcripts and get some actual factual news from it.


Kwitcherbetchen
by Silver Member on Jul. 14, 2017 at 2:27 PM
So the Obama administration didn't know she was here past her visa? But yet she was seen at a congressional meeting just 8 days after the meeting.

http://girlsjustwannahaveguns.com/russian-lawyer-caught-8-days-later-obama-officials-trump-jr-meeting/

Quoting 4evrinbluejeans:

She was allowed into the country on a temporary visa to represent her client Prevezon Holdings.  Who was on trial for fraud, and just recently reached a settlement with the US DOJ (May 2017).  Why did she overstay?  Nearly 700,000 people overstayed their visas in 2016.  Staying on expired visas accounts for 66% of undocumented immigrants to the US.  This is not a sign of suspect conspiracy, and 6 months is not a long time.  

Just because they claim that she didn't have anything doesn't mean she didn't.  She has been a very vocal advocate against sanctions, it makes sense that she would be here to hopefully prime the pump to get Trump to ease the way.  

Your pretzel thinking requires a complete lack of common sense.  

Quoting Kwitcherbetchen: So now explain why the Obama administration 1.allowed this attorney into the country 2. Allowed this attorney to remain in the country 6 months after the temp visa expired. 3. This attorney claimed to have info she clearly knew she didn't have 4. This whole thing stinks of a set up.


ETA: the excuse they didn't know she was still here don't fly since she socialized among them during the 6 month overstay. She is a DNC plant. Oh and explain why if the Russians were helping Trump, would they send a lawyer who had no info that would help him?

Quoting iwashere:

Wow. I used my critical thinking skills - and my ability to do simple research - and to my absolute shock and dismay, found your article was missing some facts.

1. The dossier was originally comissioned through fusion gps by unnamed republicans prior to trump winning the republican nomination (October 2015).

2. After trump got the nomantion, the democrats commissioned the dossier to continue to be compiled.

3. Obviously, fusion gps is not merely used by democrats. In fact, it is used by attorneys, international corporations and both us political parties.

4. While fusion gps did work for the attorneys representing prevozon, it was a different timeline than the dossier compilation. There is no evidence that the work was related.

5. Next week, fusion gps will be testifying before a congressional committee, so I'm sure you could watch or read the transcripts and get some actual factual news from it.

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