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by on Sep. 27, 2017 at 8:01 AM
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Jambo4
by Silver Member on Feb. 9, 2018 at 11:39 AM

Is it?  I was just noticing how huge it was and that it hadn't been locked so I figured it wasn't worth my time.  Maybe I'll browse a little now...

Edited to add:  Now I'm questioning your judgment :P

Quoting SkippyDo: Great thread and fascinating read!!


SuG4
by Firestarter on Feb. 9, 2018 at 6:32 PM
Oh... so there IS white privilege! 😂

Quoting Jaysgal426:

I provided the video. Don't be scared. Engage with the exact people you think you are defending as they blow apart you idea of white privelege. It might help you to know the other sides argument for you to debate better. Already posted why I am not opening up the video. The link is on here? Just click on the link. I am not going to provide you with something that has already been provided but you are to lazy to go and look for. I can repost the link again. You don't even have to go to youtube if it confuses you on how to use it. You go back to the old post in here and hit play on the one with the right video. While I was arguing with all of you three to one there were actually a couple of times I had to go back in the posts. So I don't know why you don't think you should have to do the same?

Quoting Bookwormy: I played your game and looked all over NCCP. I couldn't find that stat. Please provide the exact link when you find it. I'm excited to see their research as well.

Thanks in advance.


Quoting Jaysgal426:

Ok, I play your little game. Tell me where the National Center for Children in Poverty is not a real source? Didn't watch the video or didn't/coudln't keep up with the conversation?

Quoting Bookwormy: I'm not scared, lol. I don't consider YouTube a valued source! Give me a real source.

(I'm sure people internalize racism unfortunately.)


Quoting Jaysgal426:

Quoting Bookwormy: You heard it on YouTube so it must be legit!

It may or may not be fact but i don't go to YouTube for research, lol!


Quoting Jaysgal426:

Quoting Bookwormy: You decide today to reply to me after 3 weeks. I didn't jump on you. I didn't know you existed.

I haven't called you homophobic, antisemitic, sexist, etc. I called you racist because your behavior here is. You don't like that, change your fucked up ignorant behavior. Doesn't make anything I write invalid to call you out on your shit. I'm just like trump I guess; I call it like I see it.


Quoting Jaysgal426:

No hurt feelings ! Just because you say something dosen't make it true. No hurt feelings. I am keeping of with 10 of you jumping on me at the same time. You know who said the belief of the majority should not be forced on the minority, democrats? To bad poeple don't stand by their own beliefs.

Quoting SuG4: LOL!! Aww! Feelings hurt??

BTW.... I�m mlldly right wing!!
Umm hmm!!�

Quoting Jaysgal426:

Show me where I said one thing in favor of Nazis? Just because I disagree with you that makes me al-right? Back to name calling I guess. Then you are alt left and part of Antifa that beats everybody up who disagrees with them and throws feces filled balloons in peoples faces and thinks that makes them right. Now because I say that about you does it make it true?

Quoting SuG4: This �person� is a Nazi, or an alt-right shit starting liar!!!

Quoting blondekosmic15: Grayduck, says she's a CM veteran, I'm a veteran of CafeMom nearly 11 yrs, not familiar with her.

Quoting GrayDuck41: I�ve never seen your SN before. But you aren�t � new� since you seem to know all about me.
So who were you?
The word� libtard� is offensive and cruel�I assume you know that part of the word is � retarded �, shortened in combination with � liberals �.
So not good.
THAT is what I object to in your replies.
Bye


Quoting Jaysgal426:

I notice that you never called out any of your liberal or democrat cronnies for for name calling. So is there no single standard of decent behavior that we should all be judged by? Some people should be the exception to the rule.

Quoting GrayDuck41: Doesn�t
DOESN�T


Quoting Jaysgal426:

If disagreeing with a democratic/liberal is the new definition of a racist then I guess there are a lot of racist in the country. It's the arrogance of the dems/libs that it so shocking. Just because you don't seeing yourself that way dosen't mean that the rest of the country dosen't see yourself that way when they went in and voted for Trump. Keep going because we will be enjoying it at election time because again the research shows that most people hate identity politics.

Quoting Debmomto2teens: Man, you don�t even hide it... lol

Quoting Jaysgal426:

Here's another black person who disagrees with you, but keep patting yourself on the back if it makes you feel better about yourself because no one else is.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4459146266001/?#sp=show-clips

Quoting Debmomto2teens: THe fact you keep saying libtard show your ignorance and the rest is just wrong

Quoting Jaysgal426:

I don't deny that racism exist, however unlike the dems and the libtards I don't pretend (or scapegoat) that racism or white privelege is the cause of massive problems in this country or that the it is the cause of the massive problems facing the black community.

Quoting Debmomto2teens: You want facts as to why there is still racism?

Open your eyes


Quoting Jaysgal426:

Nor is arguing with people who don't think that they have to provide any facts or evidence behind their argument because they are superior moral beings with superior arguments that other's don't have the right to question or judge. When you do question or judge them immediately just start calling you racist or bigoted or ignorant because they have nothing better to say. People like you make the world a worse place. It does a real disservice to the real racist bigoted people who think they are better just because they are white or who will actually harm or kill a person based on the fact that they are not a white person. Yet you take every person who disagrees with you and throw them into the same group. 

Quoting Debmomto2teens: This one truly isn�t worth the energy.

Quoting SuG4: I�m not sure why you think black ppl don�t think that a poor black woman having a bunch of babies on the taxpayers dime is wrong and dumb!!

Because frankly, I do! And so do many others. But nobody listens to us anyway. At least NOT mainstream media!! And this has been historically true when it comes to how the media USED to portray black ppl!

I�m in my early 60s. And I have been around for eons!!! LOL
The voices that many white ppl listen to are those people in their community! I know that all you hear about are the negative stories. I blame the media for that.

But ever since social media, the internet, portrayals of black ppl on TV, etc..... there is NO excuse for ppl to believe that all black ppl are the same. Or, for that matter, that we all live the same way!!

I don�t think you know much about black ppl... period!

Quoting Jaysgal426:

Why is it with democrats/liberals that when a religous white women has a lot of children that she is nothing mroe then a baby breeder or clown car and come down on their head? Then when a black women has a lot of children on the welfare system when she (nor the baby dady) have a high school education or job training you are not equally offended? Is the public education system not free for black people in the country? Is birth control not available to them as well? Do the white people in the country have control over what goes on in every black person's bedroom? It's only the fault of things that happened over 50 years ago like the civil rights movement or 250 years ago like slavery? Black people don't have any control over their personal choices or their own situation?

Quoting SuG4: Yes it does!

And slavery officially lasted about 250 years!!

Quoting alexsmommy51405:

except slavery didn't last 300 years. 

and 2/3s of our prisons are filled with 'them' today because they broke the law. It has nothing to do with race. 

Thank you very much. 

And point out were something I said was racist btw....74% of black households are run by black mothers who don't have their high school education. That's a fact, actually posted in a youtube video made by a black guy who disagreed with white privelege. Is the black guy who disagrees with the idea of white privelege a racist too because he disagrees with you? What democrats called racists are just people who disagree with their politic jargon. 

What does it matter if it was on youtube if he quoted where his sources were from? What really scares you is that there are lots of black people on youtube disagreeing with you and that you can't dismiss them by calling them racist ad bigoted like with me. That must suck !

SuG4
by Firestarter on Feb. 9, 2018 at 6:43 PM
You really seem to be imploding under the weight of your ridiculousness!!

But I will say this much. It’s a fact that the poorer one is, the less they DO have, over their circumstances. Whether white or black. The difference between poor ppl who’re black, and those who’re white is how much they depend on the federal government for help!!

Quoting Jaysgal426:

That's excatly what black people do when quoting white privelege. My problems are not within my control and I can not fix them. My issues aren't owned by me. They are created by this unfair system that keeps holding me back. When has life ever been fair to anyone? Is infertility fair? Cancer fair? My sister in law was a lower class white women with an 8 year old daughter who lost her third battle to breast cancer and died. How is that fair? How is it fair to her 8 year old daughter? How was the holocaust fair to the jewish population? Should we all blame things on the atrocities that have happened to each ethnicity throughout the ages?

Quoting SuG4: I don’t see black ppl blaming any addictions on slavery! LOL

And so your links are unclickable. So....

Quoting Jaysgal426:

I have no problem with discussing that. At least the white people can't turn around and say that their drug addiction now is caused by something that happened 250 years ago instead of taking personally responsibility for poor choices. And oh by the way: https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/12/22/16808490/opioid-epidemic-black-white

Quoting SuG4: Well since the crack epidemic is basically over in the black community, why aren’t you gabbing about the opioid/ heroin/ fentanyl epidemic in your own community?? Hmmm??

Quoting Jaysgal426:

Quoting Bookwormy: Bumping research!

Quoting Bookwormy: https://eji.org/news/sentencing-commission-finds-black-men-receive-longer-sentences

I'll stop here, since it clearly states in the first sentence who found this!


Quoting Jaysgal426:

So there are not poor white people who don't get a good defense by a public attorney? And of course, they don't have orginizations like the NAACP in certain situations to help them. You can't put such groups like the NAACP together for white people, because putting together a group base on the white race would be called racist. And the media is never outraged and livid if something unfair/unjust happens in a criminal case against a white person the way they are for a black person.

Quoting Bookwormy: No it isn't car by case. Research has proven that institutional racism exists in the justice system. With everything being equal blacks almost always get harsher sentences than whites for the same exact crimes.

Quoting Velisity:

This is wrong. 

Money is what gets people out of jail, not the color of their skin. There are racist judges but that is on a case by case type deal. A white guy that robbed a bank is going to get as much time as a black guy that robs a bank, but the difference is if the black guy has hundreds of thousands of dollars to spend on a lawyer he will get out of jail.. same with the white dude.

Quoting ShaMac: I don't believe anyone is complaining about criminals going to jail. However, the same crime a white man would get a slap on the wrist for tends to cause a black man to get punished to the full extent of the law.

Quoting billsfan1104:

No one fills the prison by the people committing the crimes. 

BUt if you want to talk about the prison cells being full due to petty crimes and so forth, then we can have a discussion.  But no discussions will be had if people are just screaming over each other and always wanting to have the last word and calling each other names.  this shit has to stop

Notice it didn't say those black men weren't actually guilty of the crime? And notice that black on black crime is what makes these urban black communities miserable to live in? And did you do the research on who asked for these longer sentences for black people? It was actually black politicians who pushed harder sentences especially in regards to black crack sentences. 

SkippyDo
by Silver Member on Feb. 9, 2018 at 8:55 PM
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I only read the last maybe 10-15 pages and I thought it was interesting. :)

Quoting Jambo4:

Is it?  I was just noticing how huge it was and that it hadn't been locked so I figured it wasn't worth my time.  Maybe I'll browse a little now...

Edited to add:  Now I'm questioning your judgment :P

Quoting SkippyDo: Great thread and fascinating read!!


MaddieAndSons
by Member on Feb. 10, 2018 at 2:58 AM
Who is this person?
Jaysgal426
by Bronze Member on Feb. 12, 2018 at 3:49 PM

Just because something has the words conservative in front of it dosen't mean it's negative. The only people that see it as being negative are liberals and democrats. Saying that their education policy was not positive is an opinion not a fact. Also I don't know how so many of you on here can't get it. You talk about white privelege as it applies to the problems and issues facing black people today. Then when black people state their opinion you are going to completely ignore it. So the exact people whose problems you are going to try and solve (many by blaming the country itself and people outside of their race) you are going to leave out of the conversation? Who cares if he dosen't even speak for the majority of black people in the country and their opinions. Why should your opinion matter more then the opinion of the exact people whose problems you are trying to solve? You know better then a black man in America growing up in a black community the issues his community faces? Or your opinon just counts for more?

Quoting Bookwormy: FTR, and you are likely unaware but I'm not, the NCPA was a very conservative think tank, used by the likes of Newt Gingrich. Their education policy promotion was "choice", which is not a positive for the USA. They were not infallible, and neither is some random black man on YouTube. What's his background? At what university is he tenured? Have you researched his background? Where did he get his education? What's his name & I'll start there... See this is why I don't do YouTube. I don't just trust random folks based on nothing. His race is meaningless.
Quoting Jaysgal426:

Oh I'm sorry, it was the National Center for Policy Analysis. So if you want to try and accuse the National Center for Policy Analysis of being racist go right ahead ! I wasn't going to play your game, but then I thought about the joy of proving you wrong again ! And including the video.

Quoting Bookwormy: I played your game and looked all over NCCP. I couldn't find that stat. Please provide the exact link when you find it. I'm excited to see their research as well. Thanks in advance.
Quoting Jaysgal426:

Ok, I play your little game. Tell me where the National Center for Children in Poverty is not a real source? Didn't watch the video or didn't/coudln't keep up with the conversation?

Quoting Bookwormy: I'm not scared, lol. I don't consider YouTube a valued source! Give me a real source. (I'm sure people internalize racism unfortunately.)
Quoting Jaysgal426:


Quoting Bookwormy: You heard it on YouTube so it must be legit! It may or may not be fact but i don't go to YouTube for research, lol!
Quoting Jaysgal426:


Quoting Bookwormy: You decide today to reply to me after 3 weeks. I didn't jump on you. I didn't know you existed. I haven't called you homophobic, antisemitic, sexist, etc. I called you racist because your behavior here is. You don't like that, change your fucked up ignorant behavior. Doesn't make anything I write invalid to call you out on your shit. I'm just like trump I guess; I call it like I see it.
Quoting Jaysgal426:

No hurt feelings ! Just because you say something dosen't make it true. No hurt feelings. I am keeping of with 10 of you jumping on me at the same time. You know who said the belief of the majority should not be forced on the minority, democrats? To bad poeple don't stand by their own beliefs.

Quoting SuG4: LOL!! Aww! Feelings hurt?? BTW.... I�m mlldly right wing!! Umm hmm!!�
Quoting Jaysgal426:

Show me where I said one thing in favor of Nazis? Just because I disagree with you that makes me al-right? Back to name calling I guess. Then you are alt left and part of Antifa that beats everybody up who disagrees with them and throws feces filled balloons in peoples faces and thinks that makes them right. Now because I say that about you does it make it true?

Quoting SuG4: This �person� is a Nazi, or an alt-right shit starting liar!!!
Quoting blondekosmic15: Grayduck, says she's a CM veteran, I'm a veteran of CafeMom nearly 11 yrs, not familiar with her.
Quoting GrayDuck41: I�ve never seen your SN before. But you aren�t � new� since you seem to know all about me. So who were you? The word� libtard� is offensive and cruel�I assume you know that part of the word is � retarded �, shortened in combination with � liberals �. So not good. THAT is what I object to in your replies. Bye
Quoting Jaysgal426:

I notice that you never called out any of your liberal or democrat cronnies for for name calling. So is there no single standard of decent behavior that we should all be judged by? Some people should be the exception to the rule.

Quoting GrayDuck41: Doesn�t DOESN�T
Quoting Jaysgal426:

If disagreeing with a democratic/liberal is the new definition of a racist then I guess there are a lot of racist in the country. It's the arrogance of the dems/libs that it so shocking. Just because you don't seeing yourself that way dosen't mean that the rest of the country dosen't see yourself that way when they went in and voted for Trump. Keep going because we will be enjoying it at election time because again the research shows that most people hate identity politics.

Quoting Debmomto2teens: Man, you don�t even hide it... lol
Quoting Jaysgal426:

Here's another black person who disagrees with you, but keep patting yourself on the back if it makes you feel better about yourself because no one else is.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4459146266001/?#sp=show-clips


Quoting Debmomto2teens: THe fact you keep saying libtard show your ignorance and the rest is just wrong
Quoting Jaysgal426:

I don't deny that racism exist, however unlike the dems and the libtards I don't pretend (or scapegoat) that racism or white privelege is the cause of massive problems in this country or that the it is the cause of the massive problems facing the black community.

Quoting Debmomto2teens: You want facts as to why there is still racism? Open your eyes
Quoting Jaysgal426:

Nor is arguing with people who don't think that they have to provide any facts or evidence behind their argument because they are superior moral beings with superior arguments that other's don't have the right to question or judge. When you do question or judge them immediately just start calling you racist or bigoted or ignorant because they have nothing better to say. People like you make the world a worse place. It does a real disservice to the real racist bigoted people who think they are better just because they are white or who will actually harm or kill a person based on the fact that they are not a white person. Yet you take every person who disagrees with you and throw them into the same group. 

Quoting Debmomto2teens: This one truly isn�t worth the energy.
Quoting SuG4: I�m not sure why you think black ppl don�t think that a poor black woman having a bunch of babies on the taxpayers dime is wrong and dumb!! Because frankly, I do! And so do many others. But nobody listens to us anyway. At least NOT mainstream media!! And this has been historically true when it comes to how the media USED to portray black ppl! I�m in my early 60s. And I have been around for eons!!! LOL The voices that many white ppl listen to are those people in their community! I know that all you hear about are the negative stories. I blame the media for that. But ever since social media, the internet, portrayals of black ppl on TV, etc..... there is NO excuse for ppl to believe that all black ppl are the same. Or, for that matter, that we all live the same way!! I don�t think you know much about black ppl... period!
Quoting Jaysgal426:

Why is it with democrats/liberals that when a religous white women has a lot of children that she is nothing mroe then a baby breeder or clown car and come down on their head? Then when a black women has a lot of children on the welfare system when she (nor the baby dady) have a high school education or job training you are not equally offended? Is the public education system not free for black people in the country? Is birth control not available to them as well? Do the white people in the country have control over what goes on in every black person's bedroom? It's only the fault of things that happened over 50 years ago like the civil rights movement or 250 years ago like slavery? Black people don't have any control over their personal choices or their own situation?

Quoting SuG4: Yes it does! And slavery officially lasted about 250 years!!
Quoting alexsmommy51405:

except slavery didn't last 300 years. 

and 2/3s of our prisons are filled with 'them' today because they broke the law. It has nothing to do with race. 

Thank you very much. 









And point out were something I said was racist btw....74% of black households are run by black mothers who don't have their high school education. That's a fact, actually posted in a youtube video made by a black guy who disagreed with white privelege. Is the black guy who disagrees with the idea of white privelege a racist too because he disagrees with you? What democrats called racists are just people who disagree with their politic jargon. 

What does it matter if it was on youtube if he quoted where his sources were from? What really scares you is that there are lots of black people on youtube disagreeing with you and that you can't dismiss them by calling them racist ad bigoted like with me. That must suck !




Jaysgal426
by Bronze Member on Feb. 12, 2018 at 10:01 PM
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Explain how you tink I'm imploding. Of course you avoided answering any of the questions so I can post again if you like. When has life ever been fair to anyone? Is infertility fair? Cancer fair? My sister in law was a lower class white women with an 8 year old daughter who lost her third battle to breast cancer and died. How is that fair? How is it fair to her 8 year old daughter? How was the holocaust fair to the jewish population? Should we all blame things on the atrocities that have happened to each ethnicity throughout the ages? You think that the Holocaust was better then slavery because it happened to white people?

Quoting SuG4: You really seem to be imploding under the weight of your ridiculousness!! But I will say this much. It’s a fact that the poorer one is, the less they DO have, over their circumstances. Whether white or black. The difference between poor ppl who’re black, and those who’re white is how much they depend on the federal government for help!!
Quoting Jaysgal426:

That's excatly what black people do when quoting white privelege. My problems are not within my control and I can not fix them. My issues aren't owned by me. They are created by this unfair system that keeps holding me back. When has life ever been fair to anyone? Is infertility fair? Cancer fair? My sister in law was a lower class white women with an 8 year old daughter who lost her third battle to breast cancer and died. How is that fair? How is it fair to her 8 year old daughter? How was the holocaust fair to the jewish population? Should we all blame things on the atrocities that have happened to each ethnicity throughout the ages?

Quoting SuG4: I don’t see black ppl blaming any addictions on slavery! LOL And so your links are unclickable. So....
Quoting Jaysgal426:

I have no problem with discussing that. At least the white people can't turn around and say that their drug addiction now is caused by something that happened 250 years ago instead of taking personally responsibility for poor choices. And oh by the way: https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/12/22/16808490/opioid-epidemic-black-white

Quoting SuG4: Well since the crack epidemic is basically over in the black community, why aren’t you gabbing about the opioid/ heroin/ fentanyl epidemic in your own community?? Hmmm??
Quoting Jaysgal426:


Quoting Bookwormy: Bumping research!
Quoting Bookwormy: https://eji.org/news/sentencing-commission-finds-black-men-receive-longer-sentences I'll stop here, since it clearly states in the first sentence who found this!
Quoting Jaysgal426:

So there are not poor white people who don't get a good defense by a public attorney? And of course, they don't have orginizations like the NAACP in certain situations to help them. You can't put such groups like the NAACP together for white people, because putting together a group base on the white race would be called racist. And the media is never outraged and livid if something unfair/unjust happens in a criminal case against a white person the way they are for a black person.

Quoting Bookwormy: No it isn't car by case. Research has proven that institutional racism exists in the justice system. With everything being equal blacks almost always get harsher sentences than whites for the same exact crimes.
Quoting Velisity:

This is wrong. 

Money is what gets people out of jail, not the color of their skin. There are racist judges but that is on a case by case type deal. A white guy that robbed a bank is going to get as much time as a black guy that robs a bank, but the difference is if the black guy has hundreds of thousands of dollars to spend on a lawyer he will get out of jail.. same with the white dude.

Quoting ShaMac: I don't believe anyone is complaining about criminals going to jail. However, the same crime a white man would get a slap on the wrist for tends to cause a black man to get punished to the full extent of the law.
Quoting billsfan1104:

No one fills the prison by the people committing the crimes. 

BUt if you want to talk about the prison cells being full due to petty crimes and so forth, then we can have a discussion.  But no discussions will be had if people are just screaming over each other and always wanting to have the last word and calling each other names.  this shit has to stop



Notice it didn't say those black men weren't actually guilty of the crime? And notice that black on black crime is what makes these urban black communities miserable to live in? And did you do the research on who asked for these longer sentences for black people? It was actually black politicians who pushed harder sentences especially in regards to black crack sentences. 




Jaysgal426
by Bronze Member on Feb. 12, 2018 at 10:11 PM
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No that's a fact that was listed on the National Center for Policy Analysis. Where are all of your facts? I'm just supposed to take your opinion for it? You didn't bother to support your argument at all. What the libs/dems are above having to explain themselves and their opinions now? I don't care what happens to anybody because I think the consequences for peoples choices are played out through their entire lives. Of course that seems to be what everybody is ignoring in cases like Micheal Brown. He was shot when he was carrying out a crime. He victmized his own people in the community. They have him on tap punching elderly people ad just seems to be ok with the people within your community. And this is the "face" of your movement? Treyvon Martin by the statement of black witnesses was on top of George Zimmerman beating the man's head into the ground and breaking his nose. It was the consequences of their actions that got them exactly where they wound up. Not some mysterious white privelege.

Quoting ShaMac: Quoting Jaysgal426: I'm a little worried when so many people people can ignore facts because it dosen't suite their political agenda. That's sad ! ---- Darling, 74 percent of black women are not high school drop outs. That's not a fact. Tthats a thing you want to believe to feel better abokut yourself. Bless your heart. I could not care less if black women want to have babies but not marry the father. It's none of your business either. It really sounds like you have enough of your own shit to worry about. Work on yourself and stop worrying about black people and gay people and what they are doing in their bedrooms. Go back and get your GED or go real wild and go to college. Work on your sex life so you can stop obsessing about everyone else's.
Quoting Jaysgal426:

I'm a little worried when so many people people can ignore facts because it dosen't suite their political agenda. That's sad !

Quoting Jaysgal426:


Quoting ShaMac: You are quoting Don Lemon. He actually said that 72 percent were born out of wedlock. That does not mean the father isn't there or that there is not a step father. It just means the parents are not married. I'm a little worried that you seem to believe that 74 percent of black American women do not have a high school education. This is really a thing you believe? I'm going to make a wild guess, you have never actually met a black person in real life have you?
Quoting Jaysgal426:


Quoting Bookwormy: You decide today to reply to me after 3 weeks. I didn't jump on you. I didn't know you existed. I haven't called you homophobic, antisemitic, sexist, etc. I called you racist because your behavior here is. You don't like that, change your fucked up ignorant behavior. Doesn't make anything I write invalid to call you out on your shit. I'm just like trump I guess; I call it like I see it.
Quoting Jaysgal426:

No hurt feelings ! Just because you say something dosen't make it true. No hurt feelings. I am keeping of with 10 of you jumping on me at the same time. You know who said the belief of the majority should not be forced on the minority, democrats? To bad poeple don't stand by their own beliefs.

Quoting SuG4: LOL!! Aww! Feelings hurt?? BTW.... I�m mlldly right wing!! Umm hmm!!�
Quoting Jaysgal426:

Show me where I said one thing in favor of Nazis? Just because I disagree with you that makes me al-right? Back to name calling I guess. Then you are alt left and part of Antifa that beats everybody up who disagrees with them and throws feces filled balloons in peoples faces and thinks that makes them right. Now because I say that about you does it make it true?

Quoting SuG4: This �person� is a Nazi, or an alt-right shit starting liar!!!
Quoting blondekosmic15: Grayduck, says she's a CM veteran, I'm a veteran of CafeMom nearly 11 yrs, not familiar with her.
Quoting GrayDuck41: I�ve never seen your SN before. But you aren�t � new� since you seem to know all about me. So who were you? The word� libtard� is offensive and cruel�I assume you know that part of the word is � retarded �, shortened in combination with � liberals �. So not good. THAT is what I object to in your replies. Bye
Quoting Jaysgal426:

I notice that you never called out any of your liberal or democrat cronnies for for name calling. So is there no single standard of decent behavior that we should all be judged by? Some people should be the exception to the rule.

Quoting GrayDuck41: Doesn�t DOESN�T
Quoting Jaysgal426:

If disagreeing with a democratic/liberal is the new definition of a racist then I guess there are a lot of racist in the country. It's the arrogance of the dems/libs that it so shocking. Just because you don't seeing yourself that way dosen't mean that the rest of the country dosen't see yourself that way when they went in and voted for Trump. Keep going because we will be enjoying it at election time because again the research shows that most people hate identity politics.

Quoting Debmomto2teens: Man, you don�t even hide it... lol
Quoting Jaysgal426:

Here's another black person who disagrees with you, but keep patting yourself on the back if it makes you feel better about yourself because no one else is.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4459146266001/?#sp=show-clips


Quoting Debmomto2teens: THe fact you keep saying libtard show your ignorance and the rest is just wrong
Quoting Jaysgal426:

I don't deny that racism exist, however unlike the dems and the libtards I don't pretend (or scapegoat) that racism or white privelege is the cause of massive problems in this country or that the it is the cause of the massive problems facing the black community.

Quoting Debmomto2teens: You want facts as to why there is still racism? Open your eyes
Quoting Jaysgal426:

Nor is arguing with people who don't think that they have to provide any facts or evidence behind their argument because they are superior moral beings with superior arguments that other's don't have the right to question or judge. When you do question or judge them immediately just start calling you racist or bigoted or ignorant because they have nothing better to say. People like you make the world a worse place. It does a real disservice to the real racist bigoted people who think they are better just because they are white or who will actually harm or kill a person based on the fact that they are not a white person. Yet you take every person who disagrees with you and throw them into the same group. 

Quoting Debmomto2teens: This one truly isn�t worth the energy.
Quoting SuG4: I�m not sure why you think black ppl don�t think that a poor black woman having a bunch of babies on the taxpayers dime is wrong and dumb!! Because frankly, I do! And so do many others. But nobody listens to us anyway. At least NOT mainstream media!! And this has been historically true when it comes to how the media USED to portray black ppl! I�m in my early 60s. And I have been around for eons!!! LOL The voices that many white ppl listen to are those people in their community! I know that all you hear about are the negative stories. I blame the media for that. But ever since social media, the internet, portrayals of black ppl on TV, etc..... there is NO excuse for ppl to believe that all black ppl are the same. Or, for that matter, that we all live the same way!! I don�t think you know much about black ppl... period!
Quoting Jaysgal426:

Why is it with democrats/liberals that when a religous white women has a lot of children that she is nothing mroe then a baby breeder or clown car and come down on their head? Then when a black women has a lot of children on the welfare system when she (nor the baby dady) have a high school education or job training you are not equally offended? Is the public education system not free for black people in the country? Is birth control not available to them as well? Do the white people in the country have control over what goes on in every black person's bedroom? It's only the fault of things that happened over 50 years ago like the civil rights movement or 250 years ago like slavery? Black people don't have any control over their personal choices or their own situation?

Quoting SuG4: Yes it does! And slavery officially lasted about 250 years!!
Quoting alexsmommy51405:

except slavery didn't last 300 years. 

and 2/3s of our prisons are filled with 'them' today because they broke the law. It has nothing to do with race. 

Thank you very much. 




I do have black friends and plenty in the local conservative local party by us. You want me to post some pictures? And by the way I left you a numbered list you never answered. Afraid to answer the questions?





And point out were something I said was racist btw....74% of black households are run by black mothers who don't have their high school education. That's a fact, actually posted in a youtube video made by a black guy who disagreed with white privelege. Is the black guy who disagrees with the idea of white privelege a racist too because he disagrees with you? What democrats called racists are just people who disagree with their politic jargon. 




Jaysgal426
by Bronze Member on Feb. 12, 2018 at 10:47 PM


Quoting ShaMac: I actually did post it. You asked the same two questions in like 12 different ways but you really seemed to care so I went ahead and played your game. The United States Constitution does not say anywhere that you, Jay'sgal get to dictate anyone else's religion. You do not get to make laws saying who can get married. Only a half wit would think that that was ok.
Quoting Jaysgal426:

I just sent you a bunch of questions since you deflected and didn't respond to anything I said. I guess you don't want to answer them because you don't want to state your position so it can be used against you? Actually the United States allows everyone freedom of religion. SO maybe you are in the wrong country.

Quoting ShaMac: I forgot to add... Don't be a drama queen. No one is trying to take your religion. No one but you cares what religion you are. Your religion does not and never will give you the right to dictate other people's lives. There are places that live by religious law. You are free to go there but if you live in the United States there is separation of church and state so deal with it or move.
Quoting Jaysgal426:

However, it's perfectly ok with you if people are forced to go against their religion? You think that people's sexual identity is more important then other people's religous beliefs? And the democract position now is that the majority now should decide what is right for the religous minority? So if the vote about gay marriage was brought to US citizens and the majority voted it down, then that would be ok with you? 

And of course a business owner should not be allowed to run their business the way they see fit. What is wrong with allowing people to make their decisions for themselves what is most important in their life? Other people should decide which religous believes the individual population should and should not follow? Adults should not be allowed by themselves? Adults should not have their religous freedoms? What's wrong with letting the business serve who they want to and the gay people take their business where it's welcome. If people are as racist, bigoted and homphobic as you say they are they won't stay in business. Why do the democrats get to decide what's right for everybody else. If enough people are upset by a business not serving gay people they won't spend their money there. Yet democrats should be able to bully these businesses into closing down by harassing the business owners and anyone who wants to continue with business there? Why do democrats get to decide what is right for everybody else?

Quoting ShaMac: One religion does not get to tell two consenting adults they can't marry because it is against their religion. If their marriage invalidates your marriage you have more to worry about then what's happening in their bedroom. My religion says you can't marry again if you divorce. I want the entire country to live by my standard of marriage. Also, God does not want us to have blood transfusions and I think that should be the rule for the entire country because i don't want to be around others that have had transfusions. It sins up my air and goes against God's word. You don't get to tell people who they can marry because it is against your religion. Don't do it if you dont like it but keep your nose in your own bedroom.
Quoting Jaysgal426:

Nope I agree that the majority should not say what is good for the minority (that is actually what democrats argued when gay marriage was voted down over and over to begin with). However I also think that religous right is the minority in this country now and that the majority on the left should not decide that Christian businesses, doctors, and health services should be forced to serve people whose belief system says that their "gay" marriage is not valid. There's a difference between not serving someone because you don't like the color of their skin (or imagine yourself to better then them because you're white) versus having part of your religous belief system be invalidated by people who think your religion is BS in the first place. The democrats are people who think that someone's sexual identity is more important then someone else's religious beliefs. The democrats should be on the side of the religous right according to their argument first expressed to support gay marriage when america voted it down over and over again. They just don't want to partner with the religous right whose religous beliefs the democrats don't like while at the same claiming to be multicultural !

Quoting ShaMac: Do you really believe that one religion has the right to dictate if two consenting adults gets married?
Quoting Jaysgal426:

Let me educate you. Let's see if you can actually read and fight fact with facts of your own instead of just throwing insults:

Right back at you. This is the same group that can't see the irony in that black mediocre millionaire football players who are protesting racism. This is the group that cares about what football players think, but doesn't care about the offended people who put their lives on the line and their families being offended (and I know people who are military and military family who are offended). They're the same people who don't understand how difficult a job police work is to do where you put your life on the line everyday while making split second decisions. This is the group that doesn't find any fault with the parents of the child that let their kid run around a park with something that looked like a gun putting their own child in such a perilous position. This is the group that ignores the facts in the Treyvon Martin case that Treyvon was on top of George Zimmerman slamming his head into the ground by black witnesses. This is also the same people who give the media a pass on making the Treyvon Martin case another black vs white situation, when Zimmerman is Hispanic. This is also the same group that lets the media get away with posting a 4th grade picture of Martin, when in actuality he was 6ft 220 something pound grown man who was a MMA fighter who they have on record through twitter admitting on using a drug based on cough medicine that might cause aggressive and irrational behaviour. This is a group that ignores distortions of the truth or mistruth when it suits them and the cause. This is the same people who ignore the facts. Facts like these: According to a survey by the Washington Post, whites are 62% of the population but were roughly half of those killed by cops since January 2015, while blacks are 13% of the population but were about a quarter of those killed. According to Professor Peter Moskos of John Jay College of Criminal Justice of CUNY, if one adjusts for the racial disparity in the homicide rate or the rate or the rate at which police are feloniously killed whites are more likely to be be killed by police then blacks. This is the group that ignores the fact that police in this country are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Police are supposed to have an effect on high crime areas in which many black people live. Yet, lack of cooperation from these communities and outright hostility make it difficult to do their job. This is also the group that will not acknowledge that statistics show that anyone who has a child out of wedlock without their high school education (white or black) wind up living below the poverty line, which contributes to their children getting involved in crime and high crime areas. See below:

National Center for Policy Analysis which came up with two simple steps for escaping poverty: 1) Stay in school ... of those people who complete some form of college only 6% fall below the poverty line...the issue in the black community is there is a 31% drop out rate among blacks 2) Prepare to be a parent - yet 72% of black children are born to single mother households. Basically out of wedlock and in fatherless households. Those factors don't point to race, but to their own actions or lack there of.

This is the same group that fights for women to have the right to birth control and abortion, yet doesn't hold women accountable to prevent themselves for having kids they can't provide for and take care of. It's only when they see a very religious women having a large family they they become outraged. They never find it abusive or neglectful when a black women who doesn't have a high school education or job skills, has a child with a man who doesn't have an education or job skills (or any emotional investment in her or her child). This group acts like the situation isn't totally preventable or their responsibility.

This is the group who voted for Obama, because he's the first half black president (and doesn't see not voting because of policy is racist). This is the same group that voted against Trump because he's white and doesn't see that as being racist. This is the group that also ignores that black people and women voted for Trump.

This is the group of people who uses the word racist so much, they make the word meaningless. These are the people who anytime that someone disagrees with their politics tries to silence and censor them by calling them racist. This is the group who always ignores there are black conservatives that agree with white conservatives and Hispanic conservatives because it doesn't suit their argument. Then dismisses anything that black conservatives have to say because the minority don't speak for the majority. (However ignore the fact that if black conservatives have the same argument, then how can our argument be racist?) After all, black people can't be racist right under popular opinion?

These are the same people that show there own ignorance because they can't understand the huge difference between the following two arguments: The racist argument coming from people who argue that they are better then other because of the color of their skin color. The 2nd argument being from people who say you can't have what I have withough putting in the work and effort and undergoing the sacrifices and hardships I had to undergo to get it. That the National Center for Children in Poverty (NCCP) shows that, contrary to some common stereotypes about America’s poor, at least one-third of the 13 million children living in poverty are white. Your privelege has a lot more to do with class then with race. You do realize that the left liberals war against the 1% ignore that black people are part of that 1%?

This is the group who for their own self serving means lumps the white supremacists group in with other groups that were protesting the removal of the confederate statues (again a group that included black people). This is the group that agrees that civil protests include throwing poop filled balloons and spraying people in the face with urine and pepper spray because they never speak out about that. So this is the group that would be ok with people on the left/democrats/liberals being hit with other peoples feces and urine and pepper sprayed when they are protesting. This is the group that thinks there should be no rules like permits being pulled for protests and anyone protesting should be able to do whatever they wanted to do. So Republicans/ the right protesting a court case or legislation should be able to set things on fire, loot, or hurt people because we shouldn't all be held to the same standards of common decency and behavior right? We should be able to block traffic if a democrat is elected to office next election because that's what we feel like doing?

This is the group who feels like the majority should not have the say over the minority (like gay marriage being voted down in Florida and California), but shows the hypocrisy to say the opposite when the minority is conservative religous business owners who don't want to service gay couples. Being that the religous right is the minority in this country now, since opinion about gay marriage has become populary in favor of gay marriage. 

Quoting Debmomto2teens: You really bring ignorance to a whole new level.
Quoting Jaysgal426:

Where in the country can you point to after the 60's is legalized racism alone preventing from black people from getting a job or applying to get an college education? You say naming atrocities in other countries dosen't make sense. That is so true. Neither does blaming your current situation on slavery when you never picked cotton, the civil rights movement when you never had to sit in the back of the bus or underwent any of the hardships the civil rights protesters had to endure (which included white people by the way). Do you ever hear of a jewish person doing a drive by blaming his choice on the Holocaust? Yet we can 100% dismiss the high drop out rate in the black community, the high teenage pregnancy rate in the black community and the high fatherless household rate on the black community all on things that happened 40 or 50 years ago? So what you are saying is that none of the situations are in the control of black people, they are the victims of their history?

Quoting Debmomto2teens: Naming atrocities in other countries doesn’t make sense. My moms side of the family is 100% Italian and my great-grandparents we’re immigrants. While they were treated badly when they first got here, they did not endure decades and decades of racism both individually and systematically. Your logic is severely flawed.
Quoting Jaysgal426:

I don't understand why we keep focusing on the past and what can't be undone. We keep bringing up the bad things that happened to black people in this country. What about the fact that there was a Holocaust in Europe that killed how many white European jews? A potato famine that left how many Irish dead? And this country has always favored anti-semitism. Many European jews who fled the Holocaust were not welcomed here. Don't forget how they treated the Italians who weren't considered white when they arrived. So do we continually look backward? Is that the answer? Do we focus on things we can't control? Does what happen in the past excuse black on black violence? Does it excuse the personal responsibility and personal choice of a person who is more willing to go out and harm their neighbor rather then working two jobs if necessary? The reason that these poor urban communities are such miserable place to live is because of the amount of crime that continually occurs. The people living their are making these places miserable. How is that anyone else's fault? What I find interesting is always this continual focus on race. Well what about the fact that the amount of black people killed by police officers is almost proportionate to the amount of black people committing crime? I can post the stats if you like. Do we pretend or ignore the effect that this has? Some of the shootings that were brought up in the news were committed by black cops? So we are saying black cops are racist who are shooting other black people simply because they hate black people? Or are things more complex then this white vs black mentality the media has attempted to portray it as. The most interesting statistic out there is that your age, marital status and education level are three most dominate factors in determining where you live on the poverty line. ANYBODY that has a child out of wedlock and without a high school education will most likely be living below the poverty line. You want to know why so many African American families are living below the poverty line? Because 70% of African American households are run by unwed single mothers who didn't complete their high school education. I don't know how everyone can keep ignoring that. How is it my fault or my responsibility that people drop out of high school and have children with people they barely know. That fact is true for both black and white people who make that choice. Are we supposed to police people's bedrooms?






Actually you didn't. You wrote a lot about your opinon while not answering the question at all. I'm not asking you if baking a cake is an expression of someone's religous freedoms. What I'm asking you is do you believe that someone's right to marry who they want is more important then someone's right to follow their religion the way the way they feel it was meant to be followed?

And by the way your analogy is all wrong. It's not the Christian right coming into a gay wedding and telling the wedding officiant that they should not be allowed to marry a gay person. It's the new lynch mob, not the more familar one from the deep south, but the democrats/liberals mob that thinks they should be able to dictate to the world what is right and wrong by their own set of moral convictions therefore saving the ignorant and deplorable religous conservative people, that they have to make a cake for a wedding that by their religous definition is not a valid union between two people. The gay people can go somewhere else and have a cake made without their wedding being stopped. However, the bakery owners lose their livehood because the new lynch mob trying to force their morals down other peoples throats comes around and harresses all the customers of the bakery that still exist, until they discontinue business with that bakery. It's bullying at it's finest. Someone dosen't believe what you believe about marriage, so therefore their opinion is not valid and has no right to exist. 

You should thank me, because I just made you aware of your own hatefullness and prejudice. So you should now work on educating yourself and the others that believe like you. 

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