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“The most faith-centric, pro-life president” made these offensive jokes about prayer, religion

Posted by on Oct. 17, 2017 at 9:07 AM
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“The most faith-centric, pro-life president” made these offensive jokes about prayer, religion

Trump keeps disrespecting those who brought him into office

Taylor Link10.16.20173:06 PM

In a profile published by the New Yorker Monday, sources revealed that President Donald Trump insulted and degraded people of faith — particularly Christians. The statements made by the president demonstrate that he holds little regard for the evangelical convictions of Vice President Mike Pence and may have equally dismissive feelings about Christian values in general.

It's an odd revelation given that Trump won the 2016 election in part because he had the full support of Christian evangelicals. They were, as many opined at the time, an odd match. That an openly, thrice-married, profane, philandering, irreligious, ex-pro-abortion, miserly glutton somehow convinced a good portion of the U.S. that he was a man of God and a champion of the tenets of evangelism should be considered one of the greatest political coups in modern political history.

Over the weekend, Kellyanne Conway advertised Trump's unlikely religious stature, calling him "the most faith-centric, pro-life president in our lifetime." If one's lifetime began 10 months ago, then this would reasonably hold true. But within the past half century, there have been strong Christians in the White House, including Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush. Ronald Regan and George W. Bush were confirmed believers and even Bill Clinton and Barack Obama attended church regularly.

Yet Trump's record as president has been anything but Christian. Mercy, charity, kindness and patience are not among his few virtues. Even Pope Francis has called him out for his policies, making Conway's proclamation all the more audacious.

If true, the accounts in New Yorker's profile on Pence may finally put to bed any notion that Trump is religious, observant or even respectful towards Christian values. One excerpt reads:

According to a longtime associate, Trump also likes to “let Pence know who’s boss.” A staff member from Trump’s campaign recalls him mocking Pence’s religiosity. He said that, when people met with Trump after stopping by Pence’s office, Trump would ask them, “Did Mike make you pray?” Two sources also recalled Trump needling Pence about his views on abortion and homosexuality. During a meeting with a legal scholar, Trump belittled Pence’s determination to overturn Roe v. Wade. The legal scholar had said that, if the Supreme Court did so, many states would likely legalize abortion on their own. “You see?” Trump asked Pence. “You’ve wasted all this time and energy on it, and it’s not going to end abortion anyway.” When the conversation turned to gay rights, Trump motioned toward Pence and joked, “Don’t ask that guy—he wants to hang them all!”

Here, Trump not only made fun of prayer and pro-life advocates, but also made a horrendous joke about Pence's beliefs regarding the LGBT community. Whether Trump was outing Pence's genuine beliefs is hard to determine (Pence can be extremist in his positions on same-sex marriage, women's equality and a host of other issues, but it is unknown if he is militant). What is obvious, however, is that Trump does not follow Christian canon if these inside reports are true.

No president should be considered one of the "the most faith-centric" in U.S. history if he talked the way Trump allegedly had about faith and the faithful. It again points to how he has pulled the wool over the eyes of many and, perhaps more importantly, the desperate corruption of those who attempt to enact policies under the aegis of the religious right. Fanatics attempting to enforce beliefs held by a minority, they will turn to someone as impious as our president to make them law.

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msb64
by Platinum Member on Oct. 17, 2017 at 9:31 AM
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Christian evangelicals will continue to support Trump because he is giving them exactly what they want and they form what's left of his base.  IMO, it''s absurd to think that Trump himself is religious or pro-life and Trump's evangelical panel knows that.  They are willing to overlook that as long as Trump continues to deliver.  I find it difficult to take anything that Conway says seriously.

lancet98
by Platinum Member on Oct. 17, 2017 at 10:00 AM
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What has Trump delivered?

Quoting msb64:

Christian evangelicals will continue to support Trump because he is giving them exactly what they want and they form what's left of his base.  IMO, it''s absurd to think that Trump himself is religious or pro-life and Trump's evangelical panel knows that.  They are willing to overlook that as long as Trump continues to deliver.  I find it difficult to take anything that Conway says seriously.


AnotherKim
by Gold Member on Oct. 17, 2017 at 11:21 AM
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Racist rhetoric and a sexist agenda   Evangelicals like their wives subservient and Trump is giving them that platform 

Quoting lancet98:

What has Trump delivered?

Quoting msb64:

Christian evangelicals will continue to support Trump because he is giving them exactly what they want and they form what's left of his base.  IMO, it''s absurd to think that Trump himself is religious or pro-life and Trump's evangelical panel knows that.  They are willing to overlook that as long as Trump continues to deliver.  I find it difficult to take anything that Conway says seriously.



msb64
by Platinum Member on Oct. 17, 2017 at 11:48 AM
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Gorsuch

Bill allowing states to withhold federal funds from abortion providers

Mexico City policy

"Religious Liberty" executive order

That's off the top of my head.  His speech at Value Voters Summit...


Quoting lancet98:

What has Trump delivered?

Quoting msb64:

Christian evangelicals will continue to support Trump because he is giving them exactly what they want and they form what's left of his base.  IMO, it''s absurd to think that Trump himself is religious or pro-life and Trump's evangelical panel knows that.  They are willing to overlook that as long as Trump continues to deliver.  I find it difficult to take anything that Conway says seriously.



GrayDuck41
by on Oct. 17, 2017 at 12:17 PM
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"Fath centric"? " pro life"!
Bwahahaha.
😂
He says what he thinks will get votes .

His values are devoted to making money and receiving praise to boost his fragile ego!
cynnie22
by Gold Member on Oct. 17, 2017 at 12:22 PM
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James 1:26 (NIV)
Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless.

GrayDuck41
by on Oct. 17, 2017 at 12:32 PM
Yep

Quoting cynnie22:

James 1:26 (NIV)
Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless.

handy0318
by Silver Member on Oct. 17, 2017 at 2:22 PM
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Well worth the repeat...

Quoting cynnie22:

James 1:26 (NIV)
Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless.


Mrs_Sweet
by Member on Oct. 17, 2017 at 4:36 PM
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KellyAnne has the same tenuous grip on reality that trump does.

I am not religious, but I was moved by the conservative Christian leaders who told their followers they were not voting for a Christian man if they voted for trump.
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