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GOP lawmakers surprised to learn no black soldiers served under Confederacy in South Carolina

Posted by on Jan. 1, 2018 at 4:58 PM
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The justification for building a monument to black Confederate soldiers is crumbling as historians point out there’s no evidence such combatants ever existed.

State Rep. Bill Chumley (R-Woodruff) and state Rep. Mike Burns (R-Taylors) pre-filed a bill last month that would establish a commission to design an African-American Confederate veterans monument, reported The State.


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The bill would also require public schools to teach the contributions of black people toward the Confederate cause, and Chumley said his proposal had already accomplished his goal even as historians undermine its intent.

“We are all learning a lot,” Chumley said. “The purpose of the bill is education.”

The State reviewed pension records from 1923 that show three blacks claimed armed service in South Carolina units under the Confederacy, with two of them confirmed as cooks or servants and none for armed service.

“In all my years of research, I can say I have seen no documentation of black South Carolina soldiers fighting for the Confederacy,” said historian Walter Edgar, the longtime director of the University of South Carolina’s Institute for Southern Studies. “In fact, when secession came, the state turned down free (blacks) who wanted to volunteer because they didn’t want armed persons of color.

Edgar, who wrote a history of the state, said any black person who served in a Confederate unit in South Carolina was either a slave or an unpaid laborer working against his will.

South Carolina forbid blacks from carrying weapons during most of the Civil War out of fear of a slave revolt, but the Confederacy did allow black soldiers in the final months of the doomed rebellion.


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State Sen. Darrell Jackson (D-Columbia), a black Democrat, and state Sen. Greg Gregory (R-Columbia), a white Republican, filed a separate proposal to memorialize Robert Smalls, who hijacked a Confederate supply ship in 1862 and turned it over to the Union.

He went on to become a state legislator and five-term congressman.

If the monument is built, it would be the first on Statehouse grounds to honor an individual African-American.

http://www.goupstate.com/news/20171231/records-show-no-black-armed-confederates

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LittleLizette
by Silver Member on Jan. 1, 2018 at 5:25 PM
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Were these republican idiots trying to claim that there were black soldiers voluntarily fighting to keep themselves  as slaves?  What is wrong with them?  Shameless 

AdrianneHill
by Ruby Member on Jan. 1, 2018 at 11:28 PM
Bump
GrayDuck41
by on Jan. 1, 2018 at 11:30 PM
Not too surprised.
M4LG5
by Gold Member on Jan. 1, 2018 at 11:39 PM
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So, they wanted to make up history to lessen the perception of their hate. Got it.
D-Town
by Platinum Member on Jan. 2, 2018 at 3:53 AM

Of course, there were black soldiers. If they doubt it, they can read the papers and lectures by Frederick Douglass and John Parker. They can go back and look at the battle of Manassas. 


The problem they're having is that most, if not all of them were slaves. They weren't fighting under their own names. Record keeping for slaves wasn't nearly as meticulous as it was for free white men. 

D-Town
by Platinum Member on Jan. 2, 2018 at 3:55 AM

Per John Parker, a former confederate soldier who managed to escape, most were forced to fight. 


All the more reason they should be honored. Those men lost their lives while having guns pointed at them from 2 different directions. 

Quoting LittleLizette:

Were these republican idiots trying to claim that there were black soldiers voluntarily fighting to keep themselves  as slaves?  What is wrong with them?  Shameless 


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turtle68
by Mahinaarangi on Jan. 2, 2018 at 5:59 AM

This article seems to indicate that they are talking solely about Sth Carolina. Maybe even ias slaves forced to serve, they still didnt in Sth Carolina, but did in say Alabama?

Someone in here posted black confederate soldiers just the other day (dont know if they were original or not)

Quoting D-Town:

Of course, there were black soldiers. If they doubt it, they can read the papers and lectures by Frederick Douglass and John Parker. They can go back and look at the battle of Manassas. 


The problem they're having is that most, if not all of them were slaves. They weren't fighting under their own names. Record keeping for slaves wasn't nearly as meticulous as it was for free white men. 


turtle68
by Mahinaarangi on Jan. 2, 2018 at 6:02 AM
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The lost lives just being.  They didnt need to be in a war to have a gun aimed at their heads.

They should have memorials to slaves all over the south...great big HUGE ones in every town square :-)

Quoting D-Town:

Per John Parker, a former confederate soldier who managed to escape, most were forced to fight. 


All the more reason they should be honored. Those men lost their lives while having guns pointed at them from 2 different directions. 

Quoting LittleLizette:

Were these republican idiots trying to claim that there were black soldiers voluntarily fighting to keep themselves  as slaves?  What is wrong with them?  Shameless 


anxiousschk
by anxiouss on Jan. 2, 2018 at 9:07 AM

So, am I understanding correctly -- this is only talking about the state of South Carolina?  

D-Town
by Platinum Member on Jan. 2, 2018 at 12:22 PM
If Douglas and Parker are to be believed all states were represented. There used to be laws that would allow people who had money to pay in order for someone else to fight in their place. All men were expected to fight but if you had enough money (or a few slaves) you could send them to fight in your place.

And there are always those who go with "the devil you know" blacks that voted for Trump and Jews that voted for Hitler. I also read once about confederate regiments that signed up hoping to lose and be captured. If they were captured they would be freed.

As far as I can tell, if they can't find any then they didn't look.


Quoting turtle68:

This article seems to indicate that they are talking solely about Sth Carolina. Maybe even ias slaves forced to serve, they still didnt in Sth Carolina, but did in say Alabama?

Someone in here posted black confederate soldiers just the other day (dont know if they were original or not)

Quoting D-Town:

Of course, there were black soldiers. If they doubt it, they can read the papers and lectures by Frederick Douglass and John Parker. They can go back and look at the battle of Manassas. 

The problem they're having is that most, if not all of them were slaves. They weren't fighting under their own names. Record keeping for slaves wasn't nearly as meticulous as it was for free white men. 

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