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A School District Has Dropped Mockingbird and Huckleberry Finn From Reading Lists Over Racial Slurs

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A Minnesota school district is removing To Kill a Mockingbird and Huckleberry Finn from its required reading list because they contain racial slurs.

Both books have been staples on school reading lists in the U.S. for decades, but school leaders in Duluth, Minn., said the use of racial slurs in both books has made many students uncomfortable. While the books will still be available in Duluth schools as an option for students to read individually, they won’t be required next school year.

“We felt that we could still teach the same standards and expectations through other novels that didn’t require students to feel humiliated or marginalized by the use of racial slurs,” Michael Cary, director of curriculum and instruction for the district, told the Twin Cities Pioneer Press. He said teachers are working on selecting different books for the reading list that will teach similar lessons without using racial slurs.


“Conversations about race are an important topic, and we want to make sure we address those conversations in a way that works well for all of our students,” he told the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

The decision was praised by the local chapter of the NAACP. “Our kids don’t need to read the ‘N’ word in school,” Stephan Witherspoon, president of the Duluth chapter, told the Star Tribune. “They deal with that every day out in the community and in their life. Racism still exists in a very big way.”

But the choice is likely to spark criticism from others. A school district in Biloxi, Miss., sparked a debate about censorship last year when it removed To Kill a Mockingbird from its reading list over language, drawing criticism from a former U.S. Education Secretary and at least one U.S. Senator.

Both To Kill a Mockingbird and Huckleberry Finn have been included on the American Library Association’s list of frequently banned or challenged books. Critics have often cited the books’ use of racial epithets as a reason, arguing they could upset black students.
by on Feb. 7, 2018 at 11:32 PM
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Blackburn3
by Bronze Member on Feb. 9, 2018 at 5:04 PM
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Exactly this. What is the famous saying that I grew up hearing you are more likely to repeat history if you choose to erase it.

Quoting Jambo4: That's what came to mind when I was reading it. Erasing the ugly parts of our history is never a good idea. It doesn't make it disappear. All it does is make future generations forget it. I'm opposed to removing civil war monuments too. It reminds of oppressive regimes that try to rewrite history and force "appropriate" thinking.

Quoting zandhmom2:

B - all the way. I kept saying 50 years from now, it will be so hard for children to grow up understanding the struggle for Black people if we keep erasing our history. History throughout time has been ugly but must be remembered to prevent it in the future.

Quoting Clairwil:

Quoting -Celestial-: A Minnesota school district is removing To Kill a Mockingbird and Huckleberry Finn from its required reading list because they contain racial slurs.[...] Critics have often cited the books’ use of racial epithets as a reason, arguing they could upset black students.

Bottom line: 

If you were a black student in an American school, which is likely to hurt you more?

(A) You reading a book set in a previous time period, that uses slang authentic to that time period, for character thought and speech?

or

(B) Your white peers not understanding what that time period was like, because they missed out on reading about it?

Blackburn3
by Bronze Member on Feb. 9, 2018 at 5:24 PM
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As having a 14 yr dd in high school I can tell you that is way from the truth. We live in small farming town and very religious and most have good home and the things my dd comes home and tells me the kids do and say and it is appalling. Thanks to the internet and social media it is impossible to keep your kids with a good head on their shoulders.

Quoting GrayDuck41: My grandchildren haven’t told me that any books have been pulled off of a reading list or out of their school libraries.
I will ask again. My grandson is a junior.
Based on what I’ve seen at CM in a few groups , parents do seem to be more arrogant and controlling and overestimate their ability and qualifications to judge schools and teachers.
And they will complain and insist school systems ban books.
But kids learn behavior at home . They hear their parents ‘ opinions and probably hear some inappropriate words and biases. Then those kids repeat them at school.
Kids who are raised with positive , unbiased values will reject any negativity and biases they hear at school.


Quoting anxiousschk:

I'm glad your sureness comes from a place of experience with the education system, time in a classroom and all that good stuff.  

Oh, and your child's classroom recently had experience with Mockingbird as well -- right? 

Quoting GrayDuck41: I�¢ï¿½ï¿½m pretty sure that the reason the books are removed was due to PARENTS.
Not the fault of teachers.


Quoting anxiousschk:

The debate is the honest reason these books are getting pulled from the "must read" list.  

Teachers aren't trained in how to manage a debate.  Teachers aren't trained in how to handle the sensitive topics or questions -- and I would bet a significant amount that they are flat out afraid of having to answer some serious questions that would come up with some of these books.  

I talked in an earlier response about my daughter's class skipping over the more...controversial parts of Mockinbird.  Even with that, there was a girl in her class who lost her mind, over the treatment of African Americans in the book.  The teacher couldn't handle it, didn't know how to discuss it and diffuse it.  

The thought of having discussions over stuff that was even more intense? The teacher coudln't do it, didn't think the class could either.  When my daughter was honest about it and really thought about it -- she realized the other students couldn't handle it.  

I don't really know the answer to this, but neither the adults nor the students seem to know how to participate in nor run a controversial discussion anymore.  (I'm sure *some* do, this isn't meant to be an "all" statement.)

Quoting hotspice58:

And by reading these books, students can have a dialogue about race in this country.  Banning books does absolutely nothing.

Quoting Jambo4: You have a point. One thing "bad" about everyone selecting their own book to read is that you don't no longer have class discussions altogether on the same book because everyone has chosen different books.

Quoting hotspice58:

By doing this, the school admins are taking away the students' ability to debate.   Let them read the books and have a discussion about it. 

PamR
by Ruby Member on Feb. 9, 2018 at 5:25 PM

I was addressing the original article posted and the topic of whether or not a book should be taken off the reading list because of language. 

Obviously, no child should be targeted during the discussion of a book.  I'm not blaming them for being sensitive and I'm sure, as a parent, that would upset me. 

Quoting MissAndree: I'm disappointed in some of the white women in this thread who have mocked and belittled the lived experience of black children over this issue. I fully except it from some of them, but some of the others? Wow. It must feel awful to know how some who claim to be in favor of social justice have minimized the way black kids have been treated, and then denigrated them further by blaming them for being too sensitive, rather than condemn the actions of the people who have treated them poorly.
Quoting jpickens: This is in general (not you directly), but this bashing and blaming Black parents who are complaining about this like we are being petty is wrong. No Black parent is wrong, being unreasonable or petty for complaining to the school because their child is exposed to racist behavior during the DISCUSSION (NOT THE ACTUAL BOOK). Classic literature or personal opinions about certain books is not a reason to expect us to allow our children to be treated that way nor should we be bashed for it.
Quoting PamR:

The problem is not school systems trying to keep the children ignorant, it's parents who focus on language outside of the context of a book and then complain about it.  The schools have to try to twist themselves around to accomodate everyone, regardless of the absurdity of the objection.  When one of my children was in high school, a parent objected to the book "Of Mice and Men" being assigned because of language.  One of the greatest American books, but nauighty words, so a teenager, who no doubt USES those words, can't read it.

Strong, even objectionable language,can be a powerful way to convey something.


Quoting PamR:

Yes!  IF you raise them right and correct any racist crap they may pick up from their peers, or movies, or wherever, they will ultimately have the right attitude.

I understand that these books can be replaced with others, but I find it disturbing that we are so afraid that someone will be offended, schools even offer the choice.  These two books specifically, are classics that look at difficult issues (even more so at the times they were written) and don't shy away from using the language that conveys attitudes at those times.  It's important that children learn about this.  The language is a part of how the authors conveyed these things. 

Quoting GrayDuck41: I know. But most kids will ignore the crap that others say if they have been raised right by parents who aren’t stupid racists.
Quoting zandhmom2:

You know not all racism is taught at home. Do you have any clue how kids talk to each other in school these days? They learn this through friends, movies, music and many outside sources. 

Quoting GrayDuck41: White kids in Biloxi laughed? The little brats—I bet at home they hear their parents using racist terms and complaining about those “n-words”. Kids learn to be kind or they learn to be racist from their parents.
Quoting jpickens: Idk about Minnesota. Biloxi was because the White students were making offensive comments and laughing at the word in front of Black students. So a parent who did not ask them to ban the book understandably complained about it.
Quoting hotspice58:

It wasn't banned, it was dropped.  My bad.   But why drop them?  Let students have a dialogue so they have more awareness than their parents.

Quoting jpickens: The book wasn�t banned.
Quoting hotspice58:

Why not let these books be read and let the students have a dialouge about them?  Banning them won't make all racial slurs go away.

Quoting MissAndree: There are plenty of other books that can replace these two. They are not banning them, just replacing them. That's fair.




Well said. I imagine Anne Frank's book is not assigned now as it might be too hard for the little snowflakes to handle. It's best to keep kids absolutely ignorant about all history, so no snowflakes get their feelings hurt.



MissAndree
by Ronita on Feb. 9, 2018 at 5:29 PM
It's not impossible for my daughter.

Quoting Blackburn3: As having a 14 yr dd in high school I can tell you that is way from the truth. We live in small farming town and very religious and most have good home and the things my dd comes home and tells me the kids do and say and it is appalling. Thanks to the internet and social media it is impossible to keep your kids with a good head on their shoulders.

Quoting GrayDuck41: My grandchildren haven’t told me that any books have been pulled off of a reading list or out of their school libraries.
I will ask again. My grandson is a junior.
Based on what I’ve seen at CM in a few groups , parents do seem to be more arrogant and controlling and overestimate their ability and qualifications to judge schools and teachers.
And they will complain and insist school systems ban books.
But kids learn behavior at home . They hear their parents ‘ opinions and probably hear some inappropriate words and biases. Then those kids repeat them at school.
Kids who are raised with positive , unbiased values will reject any negativity and biases they hear at school.


Quoting anxiousschk:

I'm glad your sureness comes from a place of experience with the education system, time in a classroom and all that good stuff.  

Oh, and your child's classroom recently had experience with Mockingbird as well -- right? 

Quoting GrayDuck41: I�¢ï¿½ï¿½m pretty sure that the reason the books are removed was due to PARENTS.
Not the fault of teachers.


Quoting anxiousschk:

The debate is the honest reason these books are getting pulled from the "must read" list.  

Teachers aren't trained in how to manage a debate.  Teachers aren't trained in how to handle the sensitive topics or questions -- and I would bet a significant amount that they are flat out afraid of having to answer some serious questions that would come up with some of these books.  

I talked in an earlier response about my daughter's class skipping over the more...controversial parts of Mockinbird.  Even with that, there was a girl in her class who lost her mind, over the treatment of African Americans in the book.  The teacher couldn't handle it, didn't know how to discuss it and diffuse it.  

The thought of having discussions over stuff that was even more intense? The teacher coudln't do it, didn't think the class could either.  When my daughter was honest about it and really thought about it -- she realized the other students couldn't handle it.  

I don't really know the answer to this, but neither the adults nor the students seem to know how to participate in nor run a controversial discussion anymore.  (I'm sure *some* do, this isn't meant to be an "all" statement.)

Quoting hotspice58:

And by reading these books, students can have a dialogue about race in this country.  Banning books does absolutely nothing.

Quoting Jambo4: You have a point. One thing "bad" about everyone selecting their own book to read is that you don't no longer have class discussions altogether on the same book because everyone has chosen different books.

Quoting hotspice58:

By doing this, the school admins are taking away the students' ability to debate.   Let them read the books and have a discussion about it. 

Jambo4
by Silver Member on Feb. 9, 2018 at 5:38 PM

My comment will be more directed towards your first comment but I can't find it to quote it.  You do have a point that the problem is with the debate and the teacher's ability to handle it and direct it to where it's useful.  

 A few years back my daughter class was reading together "Fried Worms" (or maybe it's "how to eat fried worms"), anyway one of the students in the book calls his friend a bastard.  My daughter's copy had that word, newer ones had a different one.  She said, "wait... my book doesn't say that.  It says a swear"  That then became a discussion on what a bastard was that left the teacher scrambling and students saying, "well my parents aren't married, so I'm a swear word?"  Like you said, teachers have little training on how to handle sticky situations.  Some are adept at it and some fail miserably. 

This day and age there are recording devices in school and teachers are worried that their every utterance will go viral, especially if it's not handled properly.  It's easier for them to want to immediately shut down anything that gets uncomfortable. 

Quoting anxiousschk:

But it's not all about the potential for kids to say harmful things.  

And there are plenty of kids who come from good homes that also act like assholes sometimes.  

And again, your kids may not even notice the absence of these books.  My daughter noticed how messed up the Mockingbird teaching was, only because she had read it.  She knew what was coming and was looking forward to the discussions.  The other kids didn't care and wouldn't have mentioned that they weren't reading the rest of the book.  

Changing a required reading list usually doesn't raise too many eyebrows -- I'm honestly a bit surprised that this did.  There are SO MANY other books out there that can teach the same thing that Mockingbird does and in a much more relevant way.  (The Hate U Give is just one, it's seriously such a great book.) 

But the problem becomes the discussions.  Not the parents yelling about the book.  

Discussions about hot/sensitive topics will always be provoking.  People will have different opinions and see things different ways.  The problem is that the skill of communicating without insulting each other has been lost.  You see it in here (I'm fairly certain I called *you* out on it in a post a few days ago.) 

If we as adults can't do it -- then how do we expect children do it?  We can't simply go around insulting people on the internet and then act surprised that teenagers can't hold discussions about emotionally charged topics -- (nevermind expecting the teachers with no training on how to moderate such a thing) when we can't even do it when we are given ample time to think and prepare a response.  

Quoting GrayDuck41: My grandchildren haven’t told me that any books have been pulled off of a reading list or out of their school libraries. I will ask again. My grandson is a junior. Based on what I’ve seen at CM in a few groups , parents do seem to be more arrogant and controlling and overestimate their ability and qualifications to judge schools and teachers. And they will complain and insist school systems ban books. But kids learn behavior at home . They hear their parents ‘ opinions and probably hear some inappropriate words and biases. Then those kids repeat them at school. Kids who are raised with positive , unbiased values will reject any negativity and biases they hear at school.
Quoting anxiousschk:

I'm glad your sureness comes from a place of experience with the education system, time in a classroom and all that good stuff.  

Oh, and your child's classroom recently had experience with Mockingbird as well -- right? 

Quoting GrayDuck41: I�¢ï¿½ï¿½m pretty sure that the reason the books are removed was due to PARENTS. Not the fault of teachers.
Quoting anxiousschk:

The debate is the honest reason these books are getting pulled from the "must read" list.  

Teachers aren't trained in how to manage a debate.  Teachers aren't trained in how to handle the sensitive topics or questions -- and I would bet a significant amount that they are flat out afraid of having to answer some serious questions that would come up with some of these books.  

I talked in an earlier response about my daughter's class skipping over the more...controversial parts of Mockinbird.  Even with that, there was a girl in her class who lost her mind, over the treatment of African Americans in the book.  The teacher couldn't handle it, didn't know how to discuss it and diffuse it.  

The thought of having discussions over stuff that was even more intense? The teacher coudln't do it, didn't think the class could either.  When my daughter was honest about it and really thought about it -- she realized the other students couldn't handle it.  

I don't really know the answer to this, but neither the adults nor the students seem to know how to participate in nor run a controversial discussion anymore.  (I'm sure *some* do, this isn't meant to be an "all" statement.)

Quoting hotspice58:

And by reading these books, students can have a dialogue about race in this country.  Banning books does absolutely nothing.

Quoting Jambo4: You have a point. One thing "bad" about everyone selecting their own book to read is that you don't no longer have class discussions altogether on the same book because everyone has chosen different books.
Quoting hotspice58:

By doing this, the school admins are taking away the students' ability to debate.   Let them read the books and have a discussion about it. 






Jambo4
by Silver Member on Feb. 9, 2018 at 5:42 PM

Does your kid use an ipad in school?  Our kids have school-issued ipads and even though you try to block and limit what they can view, there is still so much that they get exposed to.

Quoting MissAndree: It's not impossible for my daughter.
Quoting Blackburn3: As having a 14 yr dd in high school I can tell you that is way from the truth. We live in small farming town and very religious and most have good home and the things my dd comes home and tells me the kids do and say and it is appalling. Thanks to the internet and social media it is impossible to keep your kids with a good head on their shoulders.
Quoting GrayDuck41: My grandchildren haven’t told me that any books have been pulled off of a reading list or out of their school libraries. I will ask again. My grandson is a junior. Based on what I’ve seen at CM in a few groups , parents do seem to be more arrogant and controlling and overestimate their ability and qualifications to judge schools and teachers. And they will complain and insist school systems ban books. But kids learn behavior at home . They hear their parents ‘ opinions and probably hear some inappropriate words and biases. Then those kids repeat them at school. Kids who are raised with positive , unbiased values will reject any negativity and biases they hear at school.
Quoting anxiousschk:

I'm glad your sureness comes from a place of experience with the education system, time in a classroom and all that good stuff.  

Oh, and your child's classroom recently had experience with Mockingbird as well -- right? 

Quoting GrayDuck41: I�¢ï¿½ï¿½m pretty sure that the reason the books are removed was due to PARENTS. Not the fault of teachers.
Quoting anxiousschk:

The debate is the honest reason these books are getting pulled from the "must read" list.  

Teachers aren't trained in how to manage a debate.  Teachers aren't trained in how to handle the sensitive topics or questions -- and I would bet a significant amount that they are flat out afraid of having to answer some serious questions that would come up with some of these books.  

I talked in an earlier response about my daughter's class skipping over the more...controversial parts of Mockinbird.  Even with that, there was a girl in her class who lost her mind, over the treatment of African Americans in the book.  The teacher couldn't handle it, didn't know how to discuss it and diffuse it.  

The thought of having discussions over stuff that was even more intense? The teacher coudln't do it, didn't think the class could either.  When my daughter was honest about it and really thought about it -- she realized the other students couldn't handle it.  

I don't really know the answer to this, but neither the adults nor the students seem to know how to participate in nor run a controversial discussion anymore.  (I'm sure *some* do, this isn't meant to be an "all" statement.)

Quoting hotspice58:

And by reading these books, students can have a dialogue about race in this country.  Banning books does absolutely nothing.

Quoting Jambo4: You have a point. One thing "bad" about everyone selecting their own book to read is that you don't no longer have class discussions altogether on the same book because everyone has chosen different books.
Quoting hotspice58:

By doing this, the school admins are taking away the students' ability to debate.   Let them read the books and have a discussion about it. 





MissAndree
by Ronita on Feb. 9, 2018 at 5:47 PM
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My daughter doesn't have a school issued IPad, but she has a phone, a laptop, a tablet and an IPod at home. It's not a matter of inappropriate content causing her to act or speak in a way that is a contradiction to her values because I have cultivated the kind of relationship in which her father and I have always been her biggest influence. There is nothing on social media that can cause her to act in a way that is not in line with her character. I have a great young woman who is socially conscious, compassionate, kind and who thinks for herself. Parents can be their kid's biggest influence, but they have to start from the very beginning by modeling appropriate behaviour and treating their children with respect, and as people, not possessions.

Quoting Jambo4:

Does your kid use an ipad in school?  Our kids have school-issued ipads and even though you try to block and limit what they can view, there is still so much that they get exposed to.

Quoting MissAndree: It's not impossible for my daughter.



Quoting Blackburn3: As having a 14 yr dd in high school I can tell you that is way from the truth. We live in small farming town and very religious and most have good home and the things my dd comes home and tells me the kids do and say and it is appalling. Thanks to the internet and social media it is impossible to keep your kids with a good head on their shoulders.



Quoting GrayDuck41: My grandchildren haven�t told me that any books have been pulled off of a reading list or out of their school libraries.

I will ask again. My grandson is a junior.

Based on what I�ve seen at CM in a few groups , parents do seem to be more arrogant and controlling and overestimate their ability and qualifications to judge schools and teachers.

And they will complain and insist school systems ban books.

But kids learn behavior at home . They hear their parents � opinions and probably hear some inappropriate words and biases. Then those kids repeat them at school.

Kids who are raised with positive , unbiased values will reject any negativity and biases they hear at school.





Quoting anxiousschk:

I'm glad your sureness comes from a place of experience with the education system, time in a classroom and all that good stuff.  

Oh, and your child's classroom recently had experience with Mockingbird as well -- right? 

Quoting GrayDuck41: I���¢�¯�¿�½�¯�¿�½m pretty sure that the reason the books are removed was due to PARENTS.

Not the fault of teachers.




Quoting anxiousschk:

The debate is the honest reason these books are getting pulled from the "must read" list.  

Teachers aren't trained in how to manage a debate.  Teachers aren't trained in how to handle the sensitive topics or questions -- and I would bet a significant amount that they are flat out afraid of having to answer some serious questions that would come up with some of these books.  

I talked in an earlier response about my daughter's class skipping over the more...controversial parts of Mockinbird.  Even with that, there was a girl in her class who lost her mind, over the treatment of African Americans in the book.  The teacher couldn't handle it, didn't know how to discuss it and diffuse it.  

The thought of having discussions over stuff that was even more intense? The teacher coudln't do it, didn't think the class could either.  When my daughter was honest about it and really thought about it -- she realized the other students couldn't handle it.  

I don't really know the answer to this, but neither the adults nor the students seem to know how to participate in nor run a controversial discussion anymore.  (I'm sure *some* do, this isn't meant to be an "all" statement.)

Quoting hotspice58:

And by reading these books, students can have a dialogue about race in this country.  Banning books does absolutely nothing.

Quoting Jambo4: You have a point. One thing "bad" about everyone selecting their own book to read is that you don't no longer have class discussions altogether on the same book because everyone has chosen different books.



Quoting hotspice58:

By doing this, the school admins are taking away the students' ability to debate.   Let them read the books and have a discussion about it. 

GrayDuck41
by Linda on Feb. 9, 2018 at 5:51 PM
But I bet you raised your kids well and they don’t behave badly. That’s how I raised my kids and they weren’t negatively influenced by others at school. Same for my grandkids. Or their friends. They’re all good kids.The internet hasn’t ruined them either.
So why are you disagreeing with me?


Quoting Blackburn3: As having a 14 yr dd in high school I can tell you that is way from the truth. We live in small farming town and very religious and most have good home and the things my dd comes home and tells me the kids do and say and it is appalling. Thanks to the internet and social media it is impossible to keep your kids with a good head on their shoulders.


Quoting GrayDuck41: My grandchildren haven�¢ï¿½ï¿½t told me that any books have been pulled off of a reading list or out of their school libraries.



I will ask again. My grandson is a junior.



Based on what I�¢ï¿½ï¿½ve seen at CM in a few groups , parents do seem to be more arrogant and controlling and overestimate their ability and qualifications to judge schools and teachers.



And they will complain and insist school systems ban books.



But kids learn behavior at home . They hear their parents �¢ï¿½ï¿½ opinions and probably hear some inappropriate words and biases. Then those kids repeat them at school.



Kids who are raised with positive , unbiased values will reject any negativity and biases they hear at school.






Quoting anxiousschk:

I'm glad your sureness comes from a place of experience with the education system, time in a classroom and all that good stuff.  

Oh, and your child's classroom recently had experience with Mockingbird as well -- right? 

Quoting GrayDuck41: I����¯�¿�½������¢������¯������¿������½������¯������¿������½m pretty sure that the reason the books are removed was due to PARENTS.



Not the fault of teachers.








Quoting anxiousschk:

The debate is the honest reason these books are getting pulled from the "must read" list.  

Teachers aren't trained in how to manage a debate.  Teachers aren't trained in how to handle the sensitive topics or questions -- and I would bet a significant amount that they are flat out afraid of having to answer some serious questions that would come up with some of these books.  

I talked in an earlier response about my daughter's class skipping over the more...controversial parts of Mockinbird.  Even with that, there was a girl in her class who lost her mind, over the treatment of African Americans in the book.  The teacher couldn't handle it, didn't know how to discuss it and diffuse it.  

The thought of having discussions over stuff that was even more intense? The teacher coudln't do it, didn't think the class could either.  When my daughter was honest about it and really thought about it -- she realized the other students couldn't handle it.  

I don't really know the answer to this, but neither the adults nor the students seem to know how to participate in nor run a controversial discussion anymore.  (I'm sure *some* do, this isn't meant to be an "all" statement.)

Quoting hotspice58:

And by reading these books, students can have a dialogue about race in this country.  Banning books does absolutely nothing.

Quoting Jambo4: You have a point. One thing "bad" about everyone selecting their own book to read is that you don't no longer have class discussions altogether on the same book because everyone has chosen different books.







Quoting hotspice58:

By doing this, the school admins are taking away the students' ability to debate.   Let them read the books and have a discussion about it. 

Jambo4
by Silver Member on Feb. 9, 2018 at 5:53 PM

It sounds like you are raising a wonderful daughter, much similar to how we are raising our children.  It's a constant battle to combat the negative influences they are exposed to, but we do because we take our job as parents seriously.  

Unfortunately, I don't think everyone parents like we do.

Quoting MissAndree: My daughter doesn't have a school issued IPad, but she has a phone, a laptop, a tablet and an IPod at home. It's not a matter of inappropriate content causing her to act or speak in a way that is a contradiction to her values because I have cultivated the kind of relationship in which her father and I have always been her biggest influence. There is nothing on social media that can cause her to act in a way that is not in line with her character. I have a great young woman who is socially conscious, compassionate, kind and who thinks for herself. Parents can be their kid's biggest influence, but they have to start from the very beginning by modeling appropriate behaviour and treating their children with respect, and as people, not possessions.
Quoting Jambo4:

Does your kid use an ipad in school?  Our kids have school-issued ipads and even though you try to block and limit what they can view, there is still so much that they get exposed to.

Quoting MissAndree: It's not impossible for my daughter.
Quoting Blackburn3: As having a 14 yr dd in high school I can tell you that is way from the truth. We live in small farming town and very religious and most have good home and the things my dd comes home and tells me the kids do and say and it is appalling. Thanks to the internet and social media it is impossible to keep your kids with a good head on their shoulders.
Quoting GrayDuck41: My grandchildren haven�t told me that any books have been pulled off of a reading list or out of their school libraries. I will ask again. My grandson is a junior. Based on what I�ve seen at CM in a few groups , parents do seem to be more arrogant and controlling and overestimate their ability and qualifications to judge schools and teachers. And they will complain and insist school systems ban books. But kids learn behavior at home . They hear their parents � opinions and probably hear some inappropriate words and biases. Then those kids repeat them at school. Kids who are raised with positive , unbiased values will reject any negativity and biases they hear at school.
Quoting anxiousschk:
Blackburn3
by Bronze Member on Feb. 9, 2018 at 5:54 PM
I meant to put in nearly impossible and I am also not going to be naive to know I can raise my dd and my 2 boys with all the love, moral and love for the lord and they have their own minds, cave to peer pressure and society. I just hope and pray they make the right choices but leading by example.

Quoting MissAndree: It's not impossible for my daughter.

Quoting Blackburn3: As having a 14 yr dd in high school I can tell you that is way from the truth. We live in small farming town and very religious and most have good home and the things my dd comes home and tells me the kids do and say and it is appalling. Thanks to the internet and social media it is impossible to keep your kids with a good head on their shoulders.

Quoting GrayDuck41: My grandchildren haven’t told me that any books have been pulled off of a reading list or out of their school libraries.
I will ask again. My grandson is a junior.
Based on what I’ve seen at CM in a few groups , parents do seem to be more arrogant and controlling and overestimate their ability and qualifications to judge schools and teachers.
And they will complain and insist school systems ban books.
But kids learn behavior at home . They hear their parents ‘ opinions and probably hear some inappropriate words and biases. Then those kids repeat them at school.
Kids who are raised with positive , unbiased values will reject any negativity and biases they hear at school.


Quoting anxiousschk:

I'm glad your sureness comes from a place of experience with the education system, time in a classroom and all that good stuff.  

Oh, and your child's classroom recently had experience with Mockingbird as well -- right? 

Quoting GrayDuck41: I�¢ï¿½ï¿½m pretty sure that the reason the books are removed was due to PARENTS.
Not the fault of teachers.


Quoting anxiousschk:

The debate is the honest reason these books are getting pulled from the "must read" list.  

Teachers aren't trained in how to manage a debate.  Teachers aren't trained in how to handle the sensitive topics or questions -- and I would bet a significant amount that they are flat out afraid of having to answer some serious questions that would come up with some of these books.  

I talked in an earlier response about my daughter's class skipping over the more...controversial parts of Mockinbird.  Even with that, there was a girl in her class who lost her mind, over the treatment of African Americans in the book.  The teacher couldn't handle it, didn't know how to discuss it and diffuse it.  

The thought of having discussions over stuff that was even more intense? The teacher coudln't do it, didn't think the class could either.  When my daughter was honest about it and really thought about it -- she realized the other students couldn't handle it.  

I don't really know the answer to this, but neither the adults nor the students seem to know how to participate in nor run a controversial discussion anymore.  (I'm sure *some* do, this isn't meant to be an "all" statement.)

Quoting hotspice58:

And by reading these books, students can have a dialogue about race in this country.  Banning books does absolutely nothing.

Quoting Jambo4: You have a point. One thing "bad" about everyone selecting their own book to read is that you don't no longer have class discussions altogether on the same book because everyone has chosen different books.

Quoting hotspice58:

By doing this, the school admins are taking away the students' ability to debate.   Let them read the books and have a discussion about it. 

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