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I'm not quite sure i understand what she's talking about here. Are the "free handouts" that the teachers have to provide everything but the desks for their classes, including pencils and sometimes even the paper??

Or is it when the teachers have to provide the snacks for their classrooms out of their own money?

Hmm, maybe it's when they have to fight tooth and nail to make more than minimum wage or have any benefits?

Oh right, it must be when teachers have to stay hours later than their pay covers to watch over kids whose parents think they can just pick them up whenever they want to...

For the life of me I can't understand all the anti-teacher crap i see floating around.

by on Mar. 6, 2018 at 11:23 AM
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Sparkles4Lui
by Platinum Member on Mar. 10, 2018 at 6:22 AM
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We have a fill a backpack program. When my kids were in school, I always bought more supplies for their classrooms.

Quoting Carpy: Our local schools have a "fill the bus" program before the start of the school year. Its done in the local Wal-Mart parking lot. The state police are the ones who man it. I buy a couple hundred bucks as a store donation every year. Pencils, notebooks, colored pens, glue etc...
Sparkles4Lui
by Platinum Member on Mar. 10, 2018 at 6:26 AM
it's the politics of the schools, school boards, etc."

This, exactly this. It's especially bad in large school districts.

Quoting mommy_jules: My DH is a teacher. He told me a few weeks ago that if he gets let go this year, he isn't teaching anymore. It's not worth it to him. It's not the students; it's the politics of the schools, school boards, etc. He'll be tenured after this year, so he only has to make it until the end of May.

Quoting YoYiggy: I remember going through the Education program during college and the veteran/retired teachers telling me to get out while I still could. For all these reasons.
I would never say that to an aspiring teacher but, damn, I understand the disillusionment now. I understand teacher burn out now.
Personally, I still love teaching. It's a love-hate relationship some days, but I do.
At the same time, I totally get why people aren't flocking to the profession or staying in it. Its a damn shame.


Quoting mommytoeandb: Agreed. Teachers shouldn't have to find funds for needs. It is rediculous. People need to realize that is not a sustainable model. New college students are less likely to choose teaching if it will mean starting their careers in student loan debt and professional debt. Add in the continuing education and at home work. Nope.

Quoting Arroree:

I work in Special Ed, the teachers in our classes have to provide everything but desks and chairs. Meanwhile we have the district insisting that our rooms MUST have sensory items of multiple sorts to suit all the kids various needs. We MUST have weighted blankets, compression vests, and other items for the pressure needs of many of the kids. We MUST make sure the kids are fed foods they enjoy to prevent meltdowns, that includes enough snacks to keep them from ever getting hungry in class.

And yet, the district refuses to provide any of these items. The teachers and TAs in the rooms are expected to pay for it all out of pocket and then the district has the nerve to complain when the teachers take it with them when they transfer schools or leave teaching. The teacher in my class has spent over $2k this year making sure our class has everything we need for the kids various needs. Yet she's still being told it's not enough, she needs more. 

If anything it's the teachers giving out the free handouts.

Debmomto2teens
by Ruby Member on Mar. 10, 2018 at 6:28 AM
Yes, that is all she has ever got. One of the nastiest people on this board.

Quoting couture-mommy: That's all you can do?
Repeat like a gotdamn parrot?
Lmfao

Quoting SkippyDo:

Sounds to me like you haven't got a clue. 

Quoting ..MoonShine..: Sounds to me like you haven’t got a clue.

Quoting SkippyDo:

It sounds like you have an employment problem.  Unless providing these things at your expense is in your classroom, you are not obligated to get them. 

Find a different job.

Quoting Arroree:

I work in Special Ed, the teachers in our classes have to provide everything but desks and chairs. Meanwhile we have the district insisting that our rooms MUST have sensory items of multiple sorts to suit all the kids various needs. We MUST have weighted blankets, compression vests, and other items for the pressure needs of many of the kids. We MUST make sure the kids are fed foods they enjoy to prevent meltdowns, that includes enough snacks to keep them from ever getting hungry in class.

And yet, the district refuses to provide any of these items. The teachers and TAs in the rooms are expected to pay for it all out of pocket and then the district has the nerve to complain when the teachers take it with them when they transfer schools or leave teaching. The teacher in my class has spent over $2k this year making sure our class has everything we need for the kids various needs. Yet she's still being told it's not enough, she needs more. 

If anything it's the teachers giving out the free handouts.

Debmomto2teens
by Ruby Member on Mar. 10, 2018 at 6:30 AM
You said there was so much more to this. So, what more was said?

Quoting numbr1wmn:

What were they talking about? I would like to know more than a soundbyte

Quoting ..MoonShine..: In what context, precisely, do you imagine that this is not an atrociously ridiculous statement? What handouts are being given to teachers in WV? Anywhere, for that matter?

Quoting numbr1wmn:

What was the whole conversation?  I can't find this anywhere online.

Quoting ..MoonShine..: Ok. Care to clarify/expand/explain why you think so?

Quoting numbr1wmn:

This is so much more to this

Sparkles4Lui
by Platinum Member on Mar. 10, 2018 at 6:34 AM
They moved tax dollars out and replaced them with lottery dollars. Sort of like raiding social security and pensions.

Quoting hotspice58:

Same in NY.  They have all these lotteries and money is supposed to go to the school.  Not sure what happened!

Quoting zandhmom2:

I'm always confused about how schools never have money. In my state (MD) the lottery and casinos monies are suppose to go toward funding our education system.I was shocked when I read that Gov. Hogan is putting a bill up for senate to change a loophole that was set up by the previous governor that funnel that money elsewhere. 

SkippyDo
by on Mar. 10, 2018 at 12:02 PM

Only to people like you.  :)

Quoting Debmomto2teens: Yes, that is all she has ever got. One of the nastiest people on this board.
Quoting couture-mommy: That's all you can do? Repeat like a gotdamn parrot? Lmfao
Quoting SkippyDo:

Sounds to me like you haven't got a clue. 

Quoting ..MoonShine..: Sounds to me like you haven’t got a clue.
Quoting SkippyDo:

It sounds like you have an employment problem.  Unless providing these things at your expense is in your classroom, you are not obligated to get them. 

Find a different job.

Quoting Arroree:

I work in Special Ed, the teachers in our classes have to provide everything but desks and chairs. Meanwhile we have the district insisting that our rooms MUST have sensory items of multiple sorts to suit all the kids various needs. We MUST have weighted blankets, compression vests, and other items for the pressure needs of many of the kids. We MUST make sure the kids are fed foods they enjoy to prevent meltdowns, that includes enough snacks to keep them from ever getting hungry in class.

And yet, the district refuses to provide any of these items. The teachers and TAs in the rooms are expected to pay for it all out of pocket and then the district has the nerve to complain when the teachers take it with them when they transfer schools or leave teaching. The teacher in my class has spent over $2k this year making sure our class has everything we need for the kids various needs. Yet she's still being told it's not enough, she needs more. 


If anything it's the teachers giving out the free handouts.




Debmomto2teens
by Ruby Member on Mar. 10, 2018 at 12:12 PM
Anyone with any ethics. Telling a teacher to get a different job shows your lack of character.

Quoting SkippyDo:

Only to people like you.  :)

Quoting Debmomto2teens: Yes, that is all she has ever got. One of the nastiest people on this board.

Quoting couture-mommy: That's all you can do?
Repeat like a gotdamn parrot?
Lmfao

Quoting SkippyDo:

Sounds to me like you haven't got a clue. 

Quoting ..MoonShine..: Sounds to me like you haven’t got a clue.

Quoting SkippyDo:

It sounds like you have an employment problem.  Unless providing these things at your expense is in your classroom, you are not obligated to get them. 

Find a different job.

Quoting Arroree:

I work in Special Ed, the teachers in our classes have to provide everything but desks and chairs. Meanwhile we have the district insisting that our rooms MUST have sensory items of multiple sorts to suit all the kids various needs. We MUST have weighted blankets, compression vests, and other items for the pressure needs of many of the kids. We MUST make sure the kids are fed foods they enjoy to prevent meltdowns, that includes enough snacks to keep them from ever getting hungry in class.

And yet, the district refuses to provide any of these items. The teachers and TAs in the rooms are expected to pay for it all out of pocket and then the district has the nerve to complain when the teachers take it with them when they transfer schools or leave teaching. The teacher in my class has spent over $2k this year making sure our class has everything we need for the kids various needs. Yet she's still being told it's not enough, she needs more. 

If anything it's the teachers giving out the free handouts.

SkippyDo
by on Mar. 10, 2018 at 12:12 PM

LOL

Quoting Debmomto2teens: Anyone with any ethics. Telling a teacher to get a different job shows your lack of character.
Quoting SkippyDo:

Only to people like you.  :)

Quoting Debmomto2teens: Yes, that is all she has ever got. One of the nastiest people on this board.
Quoting couture-mommy: That's all you can do? Repeat like a gotdamn parrot? Lmfao
Quoting SkippyDo:

Sounds to me like you haven't got a clue. 

Quoting ..MoonShine..: Sounds to me like you haven’t got a clue.
Quoting SkippyDo:

It sounds like you have an employment problem.  Unless providing these things at your expense is in your classroom, you are not obligated to get them. 

Find a different job.

Quoting Arroree:

I work in Special Ed, the teachers in our classes have to provide everything but desks and chairs. Meanwhile we have the district insisting that our rooms MUST have sensory items of multiple sorts to suit all the kids various needs. We MUST have weighted blankets, compression vests, and other items for the pressure needs of many of the kids. We MUST make sure the kids are fed foods they enjoy to prevent meltdowns, that includes enough snacks to keep them from ever getting hungry in class.

And yet, the district refuses to provide any of these items. The teachers and TAs in the rooms are expected to pay for it all out of pocket and then the district has the nerve to complain when the teachers take it with them when they transfer schools or leave teaching. The teacher in my class has spent over $2k this year making sure our class has everything we need for the kids various needs. Yet she's still being told it's not enough, she needs more. 


If anything it's the teachers giving out the free handouts.





bluefirewolf
by Platinum Member on Mar. 11, 2018 at 5:15 PM

this is the problem with bureaucracies you can't say, "look, I've spent such and such here are my receipts give me a break."

Quoting AnotherKim:

It sounds insane!

Quoting bluefirewolf:

Kim they have explained it to me and it still sounds like bs  

Quoting AnotherKim:

WTF? Why are they claiming you owe them $4000  ? That's insane.

Quoting bluefirewolf:

neither can I - I don't know how many thousands of dollars I spent for my classroom in my 18 years as a teacher.  Not only that but they say I owe them 4,000!  How about you just look at my receipts and then say I owe you anything.  I would never advise someone to become a teacher, not in this climate and not with the pay.  My union sucked as well 





sugarsmom2
by Bronze Member on Mar. 12, 2018 at 10:19 AM

yeah they get so much `free` stuff handed to them . i live in the wild and wonderful west Virginia . pretty to look at sure . but to teach i am sorry our teachers do not get what is owed them and nothing is free for them . they pay for everything just like you and i . and they do so much for our children . not all teachers are on the level of wonderful teacher but they all hold a special spot to our kids . My sister was a teacher for a another state . Ohio . she is retired now . but said on many occasions that the teachers in west Virginia where lacking in many thing and pay was on the short list . 

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