ADDITIONAL DETAILS IN LAYMAN'S TERMS (GREEN) - 22 States - Are you In or Out???

[ACsLady]

Just to EXPOUND a little:

I thought it would be good to explain what's going on with the states that are in agreement on this in a more simplified way...to break it down, so to speak. There are basically three groups of thought at the moment, so here I go...

TX: Since Texas is technically its own sovereign nation, they are a unique case and fall into their own category. Their stance right now is if the federal government does not change its ways, they are leaving the union. At the moment, they are still part of the U.S.

CA: California, though it does not have the same special circumstances as Texas, has resolved to leave the Union should the government not change its ways. They do not want to be part of setting up a new government should it come to that nor do they wish to explore other options - it's either the current government changes or they're out.

The other 20: These states all agree that the federal government is out of line and needs to back off. However, contrary to CA and TX, they are willing to work out whatever is necessary, be it simply altering the current government, abolishing it and creating a new one (most likely with a new capitol), or whatever else may be suggested and agreed upon at the Continental Congress this year.

I hope this helps everyone out...especially anyone reading this for the first time.

NEWEST UPDATE: SOUTH CAROLINA has joined the list.

UPDATE REGARDING TEXAS:

My husband just informed me that Texas has declared itself a sovereign nation due to the fact that the U.S. laid claim to it unConstitutionally. He is sending me the link to the information and I will post that here as soon as I get it from him. Neither of us expected this to happen so fast...but if anyone had doubts about what's going on, you'd be a fool to blind yourself to it now. Texas is welcoming any states from the U.S. to join them in declaring their sovereignty because of the corruption in the government. California has already done so.

(The link): http://www.mrstep.com/politics/az-wa-mo-nh-ok-claiming-sovereignty/

On the site that I posted a link to previously, there are links to copies of the various legislation states have passed. New Hampshire has a very compelling and, some might say, extreme take on the situation, but I do encourage you all to read their bill. They are willing to take up arms and see our government as null and void due to its violation of the Constitution. Please take the time to read what's going on...

I'm not sure how many of you are aware of this, but 21 states have either passed or are in the process of passing legislation to re-claim their state sovereignty over the federal government (as outlined in the 9th and 10th amendments).

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Here is a website with more information and copies of the legislation that has been passed in each state:

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/us_constitution/news.php?q=1234131257

I'm just curious to know what everyone's thoughts are on this...will you be calling your state representatives to push for this kind of legislation to be passed in your state (if it's not already on the list)?

[chesiretuff]

I'd be willing to let Texas go.

[jennmarie77]

apparently I should have paid more attention in history and US Govt class because I'm not sure what this means for the states.  My state, PA is among one of those looking to enact the legislation.  Does this mean that if the fed government should enact something across all the states that PA can say sorry we have sovereignty from that we don't have to listen?

[ACsLady]

Yep, gun rights, for example are a big topic right now...if the federal government decided to pass a law about that, the states would not have to abide by it, because it is something regulated by each state...it's their choice.

Make sense?

Quoting jennmarie77:

apparently I should have paid more attention in history and US Govt class because I'm not sure what this means for the states.  My state, PA is among one of those looking to enact the legislation.  Does this mean that if the fed government should enact something across all the states that PA can say sorry we have sovereignty from that we don't have to listen?

[jennmarie77]

Quoting ACsLady:

Yep, gun rights, for example are a big topic right now...if the federal government decided to pass a law about that, the states would not have to abide by it, because it is something regulated by each state...it's their choice.

Make sense?

Quoting jennmarie77:

apparently I should have paid more attention in history and US Govt class because I'm not sure what this means for the states.  My state, PA is among one of those looking to enact the legislation.  Does this mean that if the fed government should enact something across all the states that PA can say sorry we have sovereignty from that we don't have to listen?

Thank you, I thought that was what it was.  So if they passed FOCA, outlawing the states laws on abortion then, each state who has this law can keep their laws. 

My personal thinking is that it would be good for some things but not for all things.  I think allowing the states to enact their own legislation within reason is a good thing, however who can say what that reason should be?  Also, I'm sure there will be many court cases concerning this for those who are against or for certain issues. 

[ACsLady]

The thing is, the states have their powers outlined in the Constitution and so does the federal government...they both have their freedoms and boundaries. In the end though, if something new comes up that is not in the Constitution, then that right belongs to the states. If it doesn't specifically say the federal government has authority over the matter, then they legally cannot have a say. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. The only way it can be overridden is if a treaty is signed handing the U.S. over to another nation...something we're in great danger of having happen.

Quoting jennmarie77:

Quoting ACsLady:

Yep, gun rights, for example are a big topic right now...if the federal government decided to pass a law about that, the states would not have to abide by it, because it is something regulated by each state...it's their choice.

Make sense?

Quoting jennmarie77:

apparently I should have paid more attention in history and US Govt class because I'm not sure what this means for the states.  My state, PA is among one of those looking to enact the legislation.  Does this mean that if the fed government should enact something across all the states that PA can say sorry we have sovereignty from that we don't have to listen?

Thank you, I thought that was what it was.  So if they passed FOCA, outlawing the states laws on abortion then, each state who has this law can keep their laws. 

My personal thinking is that it would be good for some things but not for all things.  I think allowing the states to enact their own legislation within reason is a good thing, however who can say what that reason should be?  Also, I'm sure there will be many court cases concerning this for those who are against or for certain issues. 

[momto1sweetie]

I don't know squat about American History, so please don't bash me for my questions. I really want to understand this.

How does this legislation deal with issues like Civil Rights, equality, and decisions rendered by the US Supreme court? 

 UPDATE: OKAY so I have been reading up on this and now I understand why Russian Igor Panarin made statements last year relative to the US breaking up by 2010...this soveriengty stuff is the basis for his prediction. I thought he was a nut job when I read it last year, but now I understand.  Really, don't we have enough to worry about without this?

 

[mommerbean]

I've written more letters to congress, the senate, and the president (which ever one is in office) than Carter's got pills in my 54 years of life...has it done any good?  From the looks of our economy and country I'd have to say no.  But I will keep writing.....because that's what being an American is all about!  WE HAVE A VOICE, but you have to use it!

[ACsLady]

Just keep in mind that while things have been happening slowly over the years, it's all about to come to a head and pick up pace. I live in VA and our Congress is in session...my husband has me calling our representatives daily to push for this bill to be introduced or passed here. That's my point in all of this...do it while you can.

Once the states that are going to join do so, then we'll move on to the next step. I'm only addressing one right now.

It is encouraging to know that you use your voice despite the fact that few will listen and fewer will do anything about what you say. Just keep fighting. Hopefully we won't lose our nation entirely...

Quoting mommerbean:

I've written more letters to congress, the senate, and the president (which ever one is in office) than Carter's got pills in my 54 years of life...has it done any good?  From the looks of our economy and country I'd have to say no.  But I will keep writing.....because that's what being an American is all about!  WE HAVE A VOICE, but you have to use it!

[ACsLady]

Those decisions are supposed to be made by the states. Not every state will agree on certain issues, but it's much easier to have the will of the people represented in a state (a small portion of the country) than trying to have those things regulated by a distant federal government which controls everything.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but it concerns me that you see this as a burdensome worry...this is our country we're talking about and what it was founded on. Our founding fathers left England so we wouldn't have to live under tyranny...well guess what, we've forgotten what it means to be American and we're on the brink of handing our country over to the world's bankers to divide as they wish.

I'm sorry, but I care too much about America to simply let the government walk all over us as they have been. I care too much to let the rest of the world divide the spoils of what will remain of our nation. I know other Americans out there share this view and will stand up for what America truly is...the question is though, how many will there be? Will there be enough people who even know what's going on???

Our people are so clueless...it's heartbreaking.

Quoting momto1sweetie:

I don't know squat about American History, so please don't bash me for my questions. I really want to understand this.

How does this legislation deal with issues like Civil Rights, equality, and decisions rendered by the US Supreme court? 

 UPDATE: OKAY so I have been reading up on this and now I understand why Russian Igor Panarin made statements last year relative to the US breaking up by 2010...this soveriengty stuff is the basis for his prediction. I thought he was a nut job when I read it last year, but now I understand.  Really, don't we have enough to worry about without this?

[LaNette000]

If I am understanding it correctly, I would say vote no, we don't need our states divided against certain laws. This country will fall if we divide up the laws state by state. IMO!