Join the Meeting Place for Moms!
Talk to other moms, share advice, and have fun!

(minimum 6 characters)

Current Events & Hot Topics Current Events & Hot Topics

Do you agree with the list of 7 deadly sins?  Do you believe in sin at all?  Want to share any deadly sins you are guilty of?


Vatican Adds Seven New Deadly Sins Including Damaging Environment and Drug Dealing

ROME -  Drug pushers, the obscenely rich, environmental polluters and "manipulative" genetic scientists beware - you may be in danger of losing your mortal soul unless you repent.

After 1,500 years the Vatican has brought the seven deadly sins up to date by adding seven new ones for the age of globalization. The list, published yesterday in L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, came as the Pope deplored the "decreasing sense of sin" in today's "secularized world" and the falling numbers of Roman Catholics going to confession.

The new deadly sins include polluting, genetic engineering, being obscenely rich, drug dealing, abortion, pedophilia and causing social injustice.

The Catholic Church divides sins into venial, or less serious, sins and mortal sins, which threaten the soul with eternal damnation unless absolved before death through confession and penitence.

It holds mortal sins to be "grave violations of the Ten Commandments and the Beatitudes," including murder, contraception, abortion, perjury, adultery and lust.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that "immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into Hell."

Although there is no definitive list of mortal sins, many believers accept the broad seven deadly sins or capital vices laid down in the 6th century by Pope Gregory the Great and popularized in the Middle Ages by Dante in "The Inferno": lust, gluttony, avarice, sloth, anger, envy and pride.

Christians are exhorted instead to adhere to the seven holy virtues: chastity, abstinence, temperance, diligence, patience, kindness and humility.

Bishop Gianfranco Girotti, head of the Apostolic Penitentiary, the Vatican body which oversees confessions and plenary indulgences, said after a week-long Lenten seminar for priests that surveys showed 60 percent of Catholics in Italy no longer went to confession.

He said that priests must take account of "new sins which have appeared on the horizon of humanity as a corollary of the unstoppable process of globalization." Whereas sin in the past was thought of as being an individual matter, it now has "social resonance."

"You offend God not only by stealing, blaspheming or coveting your neighbor's wife, but also by ruining the environment, carrying out morally debatable scientific experiments, or allowing genetic manipulations which alter DNA or compromise embryos," he said.

Bishop Girotti said that mortal sins also included taking or dealing in drugs, and social injustice which caused poverty or "the excessive accumulation of wealth by a few."

He said that two mortal sins which continued to preoccupy the Vatican were abortion, which offended "the dignity and rights of women," and pedophilia, which had even infected the clergy itself and so had exposed the "human and institutional fragility of the Church."

The mass media had "blown up" the issue "to discredit the Church," but the Church itself was taking steps to deal with it, according to Girotti.

Addressing the Apostolic Penitentiary seminar, the Pope said there was "a certain disaffection" with confession among the faithful. Priests had to show "divine tenderness for penitent sinners" and admit their own failings.

"Those who trust in themselves and in their own merits are, as it were, blinded by their own ‘I', and their hearts harden in sin. Those who recognize themselves as weak and sinful entrust themselves to God, and from Him obtain grace and forgiveness."

The Pope also complained that an increasing number of people in the secularized West were "making do without God."

He said that hedonism and consumerism had even invaded "the bosom of the Church itself, deeply undermining the Christian faith from within, and undermining the lifestyle and daily behavior of believers."

Eastern Catholics do not recognize the same distinction between mortal and venial sins as the Western or Latin Church does, nor do they believe that those people who die in a state of sin are condemned to automatic damnation.


You can read more about this topic on the Daily Buzz: Vatican Says Men Women Sin Differently

by on Feb. 20, 2009 at 6:23 AM
Replies (81-87):
prommy
by Silver Member on May. 10, 2013 at 2:44 PM
2 moms liked this

 

Quoting kaylamom2004:

LMAO you can't answer the question .... but you can deflect it. LOL

 

Quoting prommy:

Quoting kaylamom2004:

 My original statement is an OPINION. It's known unrefuttable fact!

 

Quoting prommy:

 

Quoting kaylamom2004:

Actually, I wouldn't care. You wanna know why? Because I was raised with the belief instilled in me that I know who I am and what I'm about and every asshole has their opinion & can believe what they need to believe.

It's my character that makes me who I am. Not my reputation. So you believe what you need. I'll believe what I believe.

Now move on....unless you can prove to me with unrefuttable fact that Catholic priests have never molested young boys. I won't hold my breath .... 

 

Quoting prommy:

 

Quoting kaylamom2004:

LMAO you know absolutely nothing about me. 

Go thump your bible elsewhere. 

 

Quoting prommy:

 

Quoting kaylamom2004:

Actually, it's not ignorance. It's blatant fact. And I'm OH SO SORRY that autocorrect decided to put fondly rather than fondling. YOUR IGNORANCE (or rather turning a blind eye) is showing. 

OR maybe you should know the difference between YOUR & YOU'RE yourself before attempting to correct someone else's grammar. 

Quoting prommy:

 

Quoting kaylamom2004:

Although fondly young boys isn't on there!

 Your ignorance is showing...if your going to be insulting you could at least check your spelling first.

 

 

 What's it like to live with so much hate in your heart?

 

 

 Not a Bible thumper...just another person who has feelings and beliefs like everyone else here. People who constantly attack someone else's beliefs and make general sweeping statements instead of focusing on the topic at hand are thoughtless and cruel. Would you like it if everytime you looked at CM there were at least 3-4 posts bashing something that you hold dear? I don't care if it's about gay rights, Muslim beliefs, Pagan beliefs or whether or not you wear underwear if your beliefs are constantly under attack you are bound to respond at some point.

 

 

                                every asshole has their opinion

  Including you.

 

 

 

 

HUH? It can't be both. In any case do you judge all doctors, lawyers, teachers by the actions of a few? Probably.

 

 

 Which question? Your first comment was that it was an opinion and the second was that it was an  unrefuttable fact. In any case I am not deflecting anything. I asked you a question which you did not answer. Do you hold all teachers, doctor's, lawyers etc accountable because some of them do bad things or may be pedophiles? I've known lots of priests in my life, they were/are good men who only want to serve God and to lump them in the same group as a pedophile priest is pretty ignorant and ugly.

paganbaby
by Teflon Don on May. 10, 2013 at 2:46 PM


Quoting PurdueMom:

Thank goodness for the Vatican.  My moral compass would surely be heading South if not for them.  ; ) 


Lilypie - Personal pictureLilypie Breastfeeding tickers

lokilover
by Bronze Member on May. 10, 2013 at 2:48 PM



Quoting prommy:

 

Quoting kaylamom2004:

LMAO you can't answer the question .... but you can deflect it. LOL


Quoting prommy:

Quoting kaylamom2004:

 My original statement is an OPINION. It's known unrefuttable fact!


Quoting prommy:

 

Quoting kaylamom2004:

Actually, I wouldn't care. You wanna know why? Because I was raised with the belief instilled in me that I know who I am and what I'm about and every asshole has their opinion & can believe what they need to believe.

It's my character that makes me who I am. Not my reputation. So you believe what you need. I'll believe what I believe.

Now move on....unless you can prove to me with unrefuttable fact that Catholic priests have never molested young boys. I won't hold my breath .... 


Quoting prommy:

 

Quoting kaylamom2004:

LMAO you know absolutely nothing about me. 

Go thump your bible elsewhere. 


Quoting prommy:

 

Quoting kaylamom2004:

Actually, it's not ignorance. It's blatant fact. And I'm OH SO SORRY that autocorrect decided to put fondly rather than fondling. YOUR IGNORANCE (or rather turning a blind eye) is showing. 

OR maybe you should know the difference between YOUR & YOU'RE yourself before attempting to correct someone else's grammar. 

Quoting prommy:

 

Quoting kaylamom2004:

Although fondly young boys isn't on there!

 Your ignorance is showing...if your going to be insulting you could at least check your spelling first.



 What's it like to live with so much hate in your heart?



 Not a Bible thumper...just another person who has feelings and beliefs like everyone else here. People who constantly attack someone else's beliefs and make general sweeping statements instead of focusing on the topic at hand are thoughtless and cruel. Would you like it if everytime you looked at CM there were at least 3-4 posts bashing something that you hold dear? I don't care if it's about gay rights, Muslim beliefs, Pagan beliefs or whether or not you wear underwear if your beliefs are constantly under attack you are bound to respond at some point.



                                every asshole has their opinion

  Including you.



 

 

HUH? It can't be both. In any case do you judge all doctors, lawyers, teachers by the actions of a few? Probably.



 Which question? Your frist comment was that it was an opinion and the second was that it was an  unrefuttable fact. In any case I am not deflecting anything. I asked you a question which you did not answer. Do you hold all teachers, doctor's, lawyers etc accountable because some of them do bad things or may be pedophiles? I've known lots of priests in my life, they were/are good men who only want to serve God and to lump them in the same group as a pedophile priest is pretty ignorant and ugly.

You show only a shallow understanding of the problem. The problem is not with individuals, but with the institutions that defend and allow them to do evil.


prommy
by Silver Member on May. 10, 2013 at 2:52 PM
2 moms liked this

 

Quoting lokilover:

 

 

Quoting prommy:

 

Quoting kaylamom2004:

LMAO you can't answer the question .... but you can deflect it. LOL

 

Quoting prommy:

Quoting kaylamom2004:

 My original statement is an OPINION. It's known unrefuttable fact!

 

Quoting prommy:

 

Quoting kaylamom2004:

Actually, I wouldn't care. You wanna know why? Because I was raised with the belief instilled in me that I know who I am and what I'm about and every asshole has their opinion & can believe what they need to believe.

It's my character that makes me who I am. Not my reputation. So you believe what you need. I'll believe what I believe.

Now move on....unless you can prove to me with unrefuttable fact that Catholic priests have never molested young boys. I won't hold my breath .... 

 

Quoting prommy:

 

Quoting kaylamom2004:

LMAO you know absolutely nothing about me. 

Go thump your bible elsewhere. 

 

Quoting prommy:

 

Quoting kaylamom2004:

Actually, it's not ignorance. It's blatant fact. And I'm OH SO SORRY that autocorrect decided to put fondly rather than fondling. YOUR IGNORANCE (or rather turning a blind eye) is showing. 

OR maybe you should know the difference between YOUR & YOU'RE yourself before attempting to correct someone else's grammar. 

Quoting prommy:

 

Quoting kaylamom2004:

Although fondly young boys isn't on there!

 Your ignorance is showing...if your going to be insulting you could at least check your spelling first.

 

 

 What's it like to live with so much hate in your heart?

 

 

 Not a Bible thumper...just another person who has feelings and beliefs like everyone else here. People who constantly attack someone else's beliefs and make general sweeping statements instead of focusing on the topic at hand are thoughtless and cruel. Would you like it if everytime you looked at CM there were at least 3-4 posts bashing something that you hold dear? I don't care if it's about gay rights, Muslim beliefs, Pagan beliefs or whether or not you wear underwear if your beliefs are constantly under attack you are bound to respond at some point.

 

 

                                every asshole has their opinion

  Including you.

 

 

 

 

HUH? It can't be both. In any case do you judge all doctors, lawyers, teachers by the actions of a few? Probably.

 

 

 Which question? Your frist comment was that it was an opinion and the second was that it was an  unrefuttable fact. In any case I am not deflecting anything. I asked you a question which you did not answer. Do you hold all teachers, doctor's, lawyers etc accountable because some of them do bad things or may be pedophiles? I've known lots of priests in my life, they were/are good men who only want to serve God and to lump them in the same group as a pedophile priest is pretty ignorant and ugly.

You show only a shallow understanding of the problem. The problem is not with individuals, but with the institutions that defend and allow them to do evil.

 

 I'd say that lumping the entire church into 1 group based on the bad actions of a few shows shallow understanding. I am fully aware of the mistakes and bad judgment made by the church in regards to pedophile priests, however I feel that the individuals involved, including those in leadership positions who ignored the crimes, are the ones who should be punished, not the entire church.

VeronicaTex
by on May. 10, 2013 at 3:03 PM
1 mom liked this

Thank you for saying this.

I too, have known many wonderful priests.

Yes, indeed,  it is ignorant and ugly, but in reality what do these women really know?

Veronica-Roman Catholic.



Quoting prommy:

 

I've known lots of priests in my life, they were/are good men who only want to serve God and to lump them in the same group as a pedophile priest is pretty ignorant and ugly.


Donna6503
by Platinum Member on May. 10, 2013 at 3:07 PM
Actually "Sin" was a valley in the bible. There where parts of the valley of Sin which where higher than other parts of the valley of Sin


Quoting Junebug926:

I find humor in the whole thing. A sin is a sin is a sin. No where in the Bible does it say one sin is worse than they other.


Posted on CafeMom Mobile
prommy
by Silver Member on May. 10, 2013 at 3:12 PM
1 mom liked this

 

Quoting VeronicaTex:

Thank you for saying this.

I too, have known many wonderful priests.

Yes, indeed,  it is ignorant and ugly, but in reality what do these women really know?

Veronica-Roman Catholic.


 

Quoting prommy:

 

I've known lots of priests in my life, they were/are good men who only want to serve God and to lump them in the same group as a pedophile priest is pretty ignorant and ugly.


 It's kind of sad, I wonder how many people they hate based soley on their religious path. Some of them would probably hate Mother Theresa!

Add your quick reply below:
You must be a member to reply to this post.
Join the Meeting Place for Moms!
Talk to other moms, share advice, and have fun!

(minimum 6 characters)

close Join now to connect to
other members!
Connect with Facebook or Sign Up Using Email

Already Joined? LOG IN