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China and Russia Penetrate Power Grids

Posted by on Apr. 8, 2009 at 2:21 AM
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China, Russia, and other countries have sent out their cyberspies to penetrate our electrical systems and controls. They have penetrated our power grids which control our infrastructure, water supplies, electricity, and security. Of course they deny any wrong doing but China has long been studying our infrastructure and plans could be used in time of war. We are in a very dangerous situation as we have a president who is inexperienced in times of crisis involving homeland security and our military. In fact Obama wants to cut spending in our nuclear programs which plays right into the hands of our enemies. Let us hope that Obama follows in the footsteps of president Bush and pursues our secret technology in the CIA, FB! and counter terrorism departments. We cannot have a president who will no longer let us call our enemies terrorists but combatants. The security of our country rests in the hands of a very unscrupulous man whose intent is to create a society completely controlled by the govt. It is going to be a long 4 years.

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stormcris
by Christy on Apr. 8, 2009 at 2:49 AM

Do you have a source to site for this information?

blondekosmic15
by Ruby Member on Apr. 8, 2009 at 4:55 AM

I read this the other day on the net Scorpio & I have been saying since the late 70's that Communism is not dead as the KGB & the Vladimir Putins would love for Americans to believe. Moscow has never relinguished their dream of world domination & the United States is the last superpower in their path preventing the Communists from embracing this goal of theirs. In the concentration camps many of the prisoners upon release warned that their Communist captors never let a day pass to remind them that they will take over the United States of America someday. They proudly boasted concerning this. China is not our friend either. They foster the same dream as their Russian counterparts. Barack Obama has already said he desires to unilaterally disarm America....post 911. I believe he has lost his senses * his complacency & intelligence has fallen by the wayside. Naive is not even a word to explain this.....it's beyond that! I have some literature which explains step by step how the Communists plan to do this. The reason it caught my attention several yrs. ago is that the Communists succeeded in taking over many Countries during the 20th Century by these very means. While we are in our soft & comfortable beds every nite.....America's enemies are constantly planning. The wicked never sleep~

Wyldbutterfly
by Bronze Member on Apr. 8, 2009 at 6:43 AM


Quoting blondekosmic15:

I read this the other day on the net Scorpio & I have been saying since the late 70's that Communism is not dead as the KGB & the Vladimir Putins would love for Americans to believe. Moscow has never relinguished their dream of world domination & the United States is the last superpower in their path preventing the Communists from embracing this goal of theirs. In the concentration camps many of the prisoners upon release warned that their Communist captors never let a day pass to remind them that they will take over the United States of America someday. They proudly boasted concerning this. China is not our friend either. They foster the same dream as their Russian counterparts. Barack Obama has already said he desires to unilaterally disarm America....post 911. I believe he has lost his senses * his complacency & intelligence has fallen by the wayside. Naive is not even a word to explain this.....it's beyond that! I have some literature which explains step by step how the Communists plan to do this. The reason it caught my attention several yrs. ago is that the Communists succeeded in taking over many Countries during the 20th Century by these very means. While we are in our soft & comfortable beds every nite.....America's enemies are constantly planning. The wicked never sleep~

fU4sVQV3Lhk

He has got to be the biggest mistake America has ever made. With him as president American Life as we know it will come to a screaching hault! It's one thing to want to talk to try and solve issues but you never let down your defenses. Obama is an ass.

dr_m
by on Apr. 8, 2009 at 11:28 AM


Quoting Scorpio359:

China, Russia, and other countries have sent out their cyberspies to penetrate our electrical systems and controls. They have penetrated our power grids which control our infrastructure, water supplies, electricity, and security. Of course they deny any wrong doing but China has long been studying our infrastructure and plans could be used in time of war. We are in a very dangerous situation as we have a president who is inexperienced in times of crisis involving homeland security and our military. In fact Obama wants to cut spending in our nuclear programs which plays right into the hands of our enemies. Let us hope that Obama follows in the footsteps of president Bush and pursues our secret technology in the CIA, FB! and counter terrorism departments. We cannot have a president who will no longer let us call our enemies terrorists but combatants. The security of our country rests in the hands of a very unscrupulous man whose intent is to create a society completely controlled by the govt. It is going to be a long 4 years.


did you say the source ?   i feel confident our intel has known about their grids for years..  and oh, another anti obama post,  so, what else is new ?  

The security of our country rests in the hands of a very unscrupulous man whose intent is to create a society completely controlled by the govt. It is going to be a long 4 years.

I feel more secure now than in YEARS..  Obama is not unscrupulous, he is a good leader, and i know some of you are so paranoid..  whew it must be difficult ..  if i see something that backs up your suspicions, that i think is credible, i will be the first to say so...   have a nice day ! 

 

                                easter egg

 

Scorpio359
by on Apr. 8, 2009 at 6:08 PM


Quoting dr_m:


Quoting Scorpio359:

China, Russia, and other countries have sent out their cyberspies to penetrate our electrical systems and controls. They have penetrated our power grids which control our infrastructure, water supplies, electricity, and security. Of course they deny any wrong doing but China has long been studying our infrastructure and plans could be used in time of war. We are in a very dangerous situation as we have a president who is inexperienced in times of crisis involving homeland security and our military. In fact Obama wants to cut spending in our nuclear programs which plays right into the hands of our enemies. Let us hope that Obama follows in the footsteps of president Bush and pursues our secret technology in the CIA, FB! and counter terrorism departments. We cannot have a president who will no longer let us call our enemies terrorists but combatants. The security of our country rests in the hands of a very unscrupulous man whose intent is to create a society completely controlled by the govt. It is going to be a long 4 years.


did you say the source ?   i feel confident our intel has known about their grids for years..  and oh, another anti obama post,  so, what else is new ?  

The security of our country rests in the hands of a very unscrupulous man whose intent is to create a society completely controlled by the govt. It is going to be a long 4 years.

I feel more secure now than in YEARS..  Obama is not unscrupulous, he is a good leader, and i know some of you are so paranoid..  whew it must be difficult ..  if i see something that backs up your suspicions, that i think is credible, i will be the first to say so...   have a nice day ! 


                                easter egg


It is widely known that China for years has been studying our infrastructure. Software has been left behind in case of war. Check any news source, it is all over the news. Ladies start taking these things seriously. We are living in very dangerous times with an inexperienced president who would rather apologize to the enemy than protect America.

Da1nOnlyDestiny
by Bronze Member on Apr. 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM

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Do any of you realize that he has people on his staff that do have experience or does that fly right over your heads?

Just because he has not physically served for this country in combat does not mean he cannot play chess if you get what i am saying.

                                                                

         

Eilish
by on Apr. 8, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Sounds like a perfect excuse to implement Martial Law and Posse Comitatus

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blondekosmic15
by Ruby Member on Apr. 9, 2009 at 4:12 AM

 

Quoting stormcris:

Do you have a source to site for this information?

 

Electricity Grid in U.S. Penetrated By Spies

[Robert Moran monitors an electric grid in Dallas. Such infrastructure grids across the country are vulnerable to cyberattacks.] Associated Press

Robert Moran monitors an electric grid in Dallas. Such infrastructure grids across the country are vulnerable to cyberattacks.

WASHINGTON -- Cyberspies have penetrated the U.S. electrical grid and left behind software programs that could be used to disrupt the system, according to current and former national-security officials.

The spies came from China, Russia and other countries, these officials said, and were believed to be on a mission to navigate the U.S. electrical system and its controls. The intruders haven't sought to damage the power grid or other key infrastructure, but officials warned they could try during a crisis or war.

"The Chinese have attempted to map our infrastructure, such as the electrical grid," said a senior intelligence official. "So have the Russians."

The espionage appeared pervasive across the U.S. and doesn't target a particular company or region, said a former Department of Homeland Security official. "There are intrusions, and they are growing," the former official said, referring to electrical systems. "There were a lot last year."

Many of the intrusions were detected not by the companies in charge of the infrastructure but by U.S. intelligence agencies, officials said. Intelligence officials worry about cyber attackers taking control of electrical facilities, a nuclear power plant or financial networks via the Internet.

Authorities investigating the intrusions have found software tools left behind that could be used to destroy infrastructure components, the senior intelligence official said. He added, "If we go to war with them, they will try to turn them on."

Officials said water, sewage and other infrastructure systems also were at risk.

"Over the past several years, we have seen cyberattacks against critical infrastructures abroad, and many of our own infrastructures are as vulnerable as their foreign counterparts," Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair recently told lawmakers. "A number of nations, including Russia and China, can disrupt elements of the U.S. information infrastructure."

Officials cautioned that the motivation of the cyberspies wasn't well understood, and they don't see an immediate danger. China, for example, has little incentive to disrupt the U.S. economy because it relies on American consumers and holds U.S. government debt.

But protecting the electrical grid and other infrastructure is a key part of the Obama administration's cybersecurity review, which is to be completed next week. Under the Bush administration, Congress approved $17 billion in secret funds to protect government networks, according to people familiar with the budget. The Obama administration is weighing whether to expand the program to address vulnerabilities in private computer networks, which would cost billions of dollars more. A senior Pentagon official said Tuesday the Pentagon has spent $100 million in the past six months repairing cyber damage.

Overseas examples show the potential havoc. In 2000, a disgruntled employee rigged a computerized control system at a water-treatment plant in Australia, releasing more than 200,000 gallons of sewage into parks, rivers and the grounds of a Hyatt hotel.

Last year, a senior Central Intelligence Agency official, Tom Donahue, told a meeting of utility company representatives in New Orleans that a cyberattack had taken out power equipment in multiple regions outside the U.S. The outage was followed with extortion demands, he said.

The U.S. electrical grid comprises three separate electric networks, covering the East, the West and Texas. Each includes many thousands of miles of transmission lines, power plants and substations. The flow of power is controlled by local utilities or regional transmission organizations. The growing reliance of utilities on Internet-based communication has increased the vulnerability of control systems to spies and hackers, according to government reports.

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The sophistication of the U.S. intrusions -- which extend beyond electric to other key infrastructure systems -- suggests that China and Russia are mainly responsible, according to intelligence officials and cybersecurity specialists. While terrorist groups could develop the ability to penetrate U.S. infrastructure, they don't appear to have yet mounted attacks, these officials say.

It is nearly impossible to know whether or not an attack is government-sponsored because of the difficulty in tracking true identities in cyberspace. U.S. officials said investigators have followed electronic trails of stolen data to China and Russia.

Russian and Chinese officials have denied any wrongdoing. "These are pure speculations," said Yevgeniy Khorishko, a spokesman at the Russian Embassy. "Russia has nothing to do with the cyberattacks on the U.S. infrastructure, or on any infrastructure in any other country in the world."

A spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington, Wang Baodong, said the Chinese government "resolutely oppose[s] any crime, including hacking, that destroys the Internet or computer network" and has laws barring the practice. China was ready to cooperate with other countries to counter such attacks, he said, and added that "some people overseas with Cold War mentality are indulged in fabricating the sheer lies of the so-called cyberspies in China."

Utilities are reluctant to speak about the dangers. "Much of what we've done, we can't talk about," said Ray Dotter, a spokesman at PJM Interconnection LLC, which coordinates the movement of wholesale electricity in 13 states and the District of Columbia. He said the organization has beefed up its security, in conformance with federal standards.

In January 2008, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission approved new protection measures that required improvements in the security of computer servers and better plans for handling attacks.

Last week, Senate Democrats introduced a proposal that would require all critical infrastructure companies to meet new cybersecurity standards and grant the president emergency powers over control of the grid systems and other infrastructure.

Specialists at the U.S. Cyber Consequences Unit, a nonprofit research institute, said attack programs search for openings in a network, much as a thief tests locks on doors. Once inside, these programs and their human controllers can acquire the same access and powers as a systems administrator.

NERC Letter

The North American Electric Reliability Corporation on Tuesday warned its members that not all of them appear to be adhering to cybersecuirty requirements. Read the letter.

The White House review of cybersecurity programs is studying ways to shield the electrical grid from such attacks, said James Lewis, who directed a study for the Center for Strategic and International Studies and has met with White House reviewers.

The reliability of the grid is ultimately the responsibility of the North American Electric Reliability Corp., an independent standards-setting organization overseen by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.

The NERC set standards last year requiring companies to designate "critical cyber assets." Companies, for example, must check the backgrounds of employees and install firewalls to separate administrative networks from those that control electricity flow. The group will begin auditing compliance in July.

—Rebecca Smith contributed to this article.

Write to Siobhan Gorman at siobhan.gorman@wsj.com

Corrections & Amplifications
Central Inteligence Agency official Tom Donahue's last name was misspelled in a previous version of this article.

blondekosmic15
by Ruby Member on Apr. 9, 2009 at 4:35 AM


Quoting Da1nOnlyDestiny:

QUESTIONNNNNN ME ME ME ME ME O O O PICK ME!

Do any of you realize that he has people on his staff that do have experience or does that fly right over your heads?

Just because he has not physically served for this country in combat does not mean he cannot play chess if you get what i am saying.


You are a replica of many ppl. during the mid 20th Century who were in constant denial til the enemy, the Communists enslaved their Countries. You have been given countless warnings Destiny. Obama's staff are a joke...he has surrounded himself w/ Foreign policy advisors who are a bunch of Socialists like himself! Susan Rice....Robert Malley....Samantha Power....the Bzrezenskis...father & son etc. etc. They believe in unilaterally disarming America. They all foster soft on terrorism policies. The writing is on the wall about Barack Obama...sadly so many continue to practice apathy & denial. Dejavu* History does have a very sad way of repeating herself. My deep concern & the tragic side of this is that those of us who discerned the TRUTH concerning Obama & DID NOT vote for him will reap the suffering of his weak policies w/ our enemies as those who blindly voted for him. I feel very sorry for our children & my precious granddaughter~

blondekosmic15
by Ruby Member on Apr. 9, 2009 at 4:38 AM

 

Quoting Wyldbutterfly:


Quoting blondekosmic15:

I read this the other day on the net Scorpio & I have been saying since the late 70's that Communism is not dead as the KGB & the Vladimir Putins would love for Americans to believe. Moscow has never relinquished their dream of world domination & the United States is the last superpower in their path preventing the Communists from embracing this goal of theirs. In the concentration camps many of the prisoners upon release warned that their Communist captors never let a day pass to remind them that they will take over the United States of America someday. They proudly boasted concerning this. China is not our friend either. They foster the same dream as their Russian counterparts. Barack Obama has already said he desires to unilaterally disarm America....post 911. I believe he has lost his senses * his complacency & intelligence has fallen by the wayside. Naive is not even a word to explain this.....it's beyond that! I have some literature which explains step by step how the Communists plan to do this. The reason it caught my attention several yrs. ago is that the Communists succeeded in taking over many Countries during the 20th Century by these very means. While we are in our soft & comfortable beds every nite.....America's enemies are constantly planning. The wicked never sleep~

fU4sVQV3Lhk

He has got to be the biggest mistake America has ever made. With him as president American Life as we know it will come to a screaching hault! It's one thing to want to talk to try and solve issues but you never let down your defenses. Obama is an ass.


My sentiments exactly.....

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