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To those who don't like the stimulus plan...

Posted by on Apr. 8, 2009 at 3:52 PM
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I've read numerous posts on this board where people post how much they dislike the stimulus, how Obama is just throwing money away, etc. I have an honest question... if you were President of the United States how would you fix the economy?

 

Instead of hurling insults at the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, let's come up with some solutions, shall we?

~Catherine~


Wife to Ryan and mommy to be to Aidan.

by on Apr. 8, 2009 at 3:52 PM
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Dzyre1115
by Gold Member on Apr. 8, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Specifically I would have let all of the bailout companies file for bankruptcy and/or reorganization protection.  Hundreds of American companies, including almost every airline, have done it with much success and without taxpayer money.  If the bailouts were avoided the stimulus would not have been met with such angst.  In addition the earmarks in a plan such as this one should not have been permitted, period. 

Eilish
by on Apr. 8, 2009 at 4:09 PM
  • Abolish the FRS
  • Dissolve the IRS
  • Get rid of wasteful spending (which knocks out a LOT of government programs)
  • Give Congress a pay cut - they aren't doing their jobs anyway.
  • Bring the troops home; this war is illegal and costing us billions
  • Make the government accountable to their Constitutional mandate which should only give them about 3 months of work - and they should only get payed according whether they vote or not. If they don't vote; they don't get paid.
  • Take back the so-called stimulus money so that the government owns no businesses (there by making them SOCIALIST)
  • Make Congress responsible for coining money (like they are supposed to) and back with real gold.

..........shall I keep going?

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goldd_e_loxx
by Member on Apr. 8, 2009 at 5:15 PM

DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions voiced in this post are mine.  They are not meant to offend anyone.  Reader discretion is advised!  If you are normally one who bashes others for their opinions, please do us all a favor and skip this post.  I don't bash anyone else for their opinions, and I expect the same courtesy.  Thanks!

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Whoo Hoo! I am so happy to FINALLY see some moms on here who have brains! Which of course only means "moms who think like I do!" LOL (just joking).

But seriously, it is nice to finally see some political posts that I agree with.  I was beginning to think I was the only mom on here who feels this way (referring to the moms who replied to this post, not the one who actually posted). I never even reply to the political posts because I don't usually agree with them, and I can't stand the bashing! So I normally just keep my mouth shut.

I am not against helping people.  It seems to me, however, (please note that I have made it clear that this is MY opinion, which I realize is not shared by every other person living on this Earth) that many people don't realize that our country (the USA) did not originally have a government welfare program.  Our constitution does not include provisions for public welfare.  I don't believe it should be mandatory to help other people.  Charity should be a personal choice.  I think that taxes are important for running the government.  But I also believe that giving those same tax dollars to someone who is not a productive member of society is unfair to taxpayers.  The whole Robin Hood thing was nice back in the days of monarchies, feudal systems, and slaves when a person could WORK HARD all his life and never earn a cent.  But in today's world, at least here in the US, the welfare system has gotten a little out of hand.  No, make that a LOT out of hand.  How is it fair to pay people for doing nothing?  Why should people who work for a living have to pay to support the families (especially the never-ending, constantly-growing ones) of those who do not work?  I simply feel this welfare system of ours needs a lot of work--maybe limits, for example.  Why are there no limits?  Is it OK for someone on welfare to pay for fertility treatments to have eight more babies when they can't afford the six kids they already have?  And now, not only are taxpayers picking up the slack for individuals who can't afford to support themselves and their offspring, the government feels it necessary to bail out companies, businesses, banks using billions of tax dollars (that don't even really exist due to the huge national debt).  Furthermore, why can't the government stick to a budget like the rest of the world?  Where did people get the idea that it's OK to spend more money than you have?  No wonder America's economy is in the toilet!  Apparently, most Americans are in debt, too!

Oh, and another thing that really bothers me, why should people who make more money have to pay higher income tax rates?  Wasn't it Karl Marx (the socialist) who said "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"?  Socialism sounds nice and pretty on paper but has been PROVEN not to work in the real world time and time again.  It seems to me that this tax bracket bull shit is a wee bit socialist in nature; and, as far as I know, the USA is NOT a socialist nation.  We are supposed to be a nation of free enterprise.  So much for the American Dream! I guess we could revise it to be something like "Come to America to make as much money as you can.  But don't make too much or the government will take half of it away from you!"

Don't get me wrong.  I know I am not perfect.  In fact, I used WIC and Medicaid throughout my pregnancy.  However, I was also working and in school (college), and am now a fully functioning and productive member of society (with two BS degrees working in environmental engineering; just doing my part!).  I have paid back my debt for using these public programs...which is more than most (but not all) people on welfare do.

OK. I'm done. I realize I jumped around a little and was off topic (a lot), but I feel so much better now!  Thanks for giving me a place to rant and rave!

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ddbz
by Silver Member on Apr. 8, 2009 at 6:19 PM

I can only say what I WOULDN'T have done: I would never have let people wind up homeless ... can't say how I would have managed that ... 

Da1nOnlyDestiny
by Bronze Member on Apr. 8, 2009 at 6:20 PM

but that was happening wayyyyy before the stimulus plan.

Quoting ddbz:

I can only say what I WOULDN'T have done: I would never have let people wind up homeless ... can't say how I would have managed that ... 


                                                                

         

mountainmom70
by Member on Apr. 8, 2009 at 6:25 PM

LOL! I still like you! 80)

Quoting Eilish:

  • Abolish the FRS
  • Dissolve the IRS
  • Get rid of wasteful spending (which knocks out a LOT of government programs)
  • Give Congress a pay cut - they aren't doing their jobs anyway.
  • Bring the troops home; this war is illegal and costing us billions
  • Make the government accountable to their Constitutional mandate which should only give them about 3 months of work - and they should only get payed according whether they vote or not. If they don't vote; they don't get paid.
  • Take back the so-called stimulus money so that the government owns no businesses (there by making them SOCIALIST)
  • Make Congress responsible for coining money (like they are supposed to) and back with real gold.

..........shall I keep going?


ddbz
by Silver Member on Apr. 8, 2009 at 6:25 PM


Quoting Da1nOnlyDestiny:

but that was happening wayyyyy before the stimulus plan.

Quoting ddbz:

I can only say what I WOULDN'T have done: I would never have let people wind up homeless ... can't say how I would have managed that ... 

 

Yes but it could have been much worse if banks and businesses failed and closed their doors, and people didn't come up with emergency mortgage rescues and all of the other things that all of these billions are supposedly doing.

dakotasmommy_3
by Member on Apr. 8, 2009 at 6:46 PM

hmmm...Im not quite sure what i would do...I am one f those families that got the stimulus...It did help....My husband works 40+ hours a week and we are still struggling...I have anxiety disorder and I refuse to take medication that I will end up addicted to so I cannot work...The stimulus money we recieved last year made my step son have a birthday he deserved...It also gave a nice little trip to a small amusement park...We were able to make great family time out of our home with that money...I am alsoone of the mothers on welfare...I get food stamps and WIC and the states insurance. I do have a nice car that we got at a great price...A 2005 for only 6000...in great condition...the only car we have had in the last 4 years that has yet to break down...however the state knows we have this car and it is abot 4000 under the cut off price that you are allowed for your vehicles when on foodstamps...The reasoning for us having the states insurance is becasue the insurance at my husbands job sucks and just for me and my husband to be on that insurance we have to pay out about 200/month...if th ekids were on there it would be about  400/month...now i dont know what you poeple do for a job but i do know we cannot afford that...so what i am getting at here is us families that need these things are very greatful for these stimulus packages...and honestly as much as all these places are raising prices on food and mortgage and everything else i think they should be helping us out with money to afford all this crap...can you live with out food? well we cant either and that stimulus last year helped us to afford more food to feed our children with as well...notice the economy is coming out the problems that were happening for a while there so someone must be doing something right....

That being said I also have another view on these things...Personally if there is no income coming into your home BESIDES your welfare fromt he government and there are no disabilities then I do not feel you deserve these types of things. I feel that if you are on welfare and you get extra money from the government then you should also be paying into the government..I would not let my famliy be on any kind of government assistance if me or my husband was perfectly fit to work...Where I live there are soooo  many people on unemployment just because they choose not to work. There is nothing wrong with them they just choose to not work...I do not think this is right...I feel that if you or your huband is paying in then you should be able to get some assistance if you need it...If this means you get a check from the governmetn for 600 then so be it or if you get foodstamps whatever...if you are helping then you yourself deserves to get help back when you need it...

goldd_e_loxx
by Member on Apr. 9, 2009 at 11:42 AM


Yes but it could have been much worse if banks and businesses failed and closed their doors, and people didn't come up with emergency mortgage rescues and all of the other things that all of these billions are supposedly doing.

Here is some food for thought:
Why should you get to keep something you can't pay for?  If the banks did not forclose on homes that were not paid for, wouldn't that be like giving homes away for non-payment?  Would it be OK for some people not to pay while others do have to pay?  What would happen if the people who are still paying for the homes they bought decided to jump on the bandwagon with people who don't/ can't pay for their homes?  Can I have a home that I don't have to pay for, too?

mushmom
by on Apr. 9, 2009 at 11:54 AM

-let the banks, automakers fail.  that's capitalism.  if you're good, you survive.  If you're not, you fail.

-not spend billions under the falsehood of being a "stimulus plan"

 

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