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Did he really BOW??

Posted by on Apr. 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM
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SO I just heard on the radio that Obama bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia and the we have reps who went to Cuba and are talking about how nice Castro is?  Is that true and have we lost our sanity? Channel flipping now...

by on Apr. 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM
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Da1nOnlyDestiny
by Bronze Member on Apr. 8, 2009 at 10:55 PM

EDITORIAL: Barack takes a bow

The president shows fealty to a Muslim king

In a shocking display of fealty to a foreign potentate, President Obama bowed to Saudi King Abdullah at the Group of 20 summit in London last week.

Mr. Obama later said in Strasbourg, France, "We have to change our behavior in showing the Muslim world greater respect." Symbolism is important in world affairs. By bending over to show greater respect to Islam, the U.S. president belittled the power and independence of the United States.

The bow was an extraordinary protocol violation. Such an act is a traditional obeisance befitting a king's subjects, not his peer. There is no precedent for U.S. presidents bowing to Saudi or any other royals. Former President Franklin D. Roosevelt shook hands with Saudi King Abdulaziz in February 1945. Granted, Mr. Roosevelt was wheelchair-bound, but former President Dwight D. Eisenhower shook hands when he first met King Saud in January 1957. Mr. Obama's bow to the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques does not help his image with those who believe he is secretly a Muslim, and why he chose to bow only to the Saudi King and not to any other royals remains unexplained.

No Americans of any station are required to bow to royalty. It is one of the pillars of American exceptionalism that our country rejected traditional caste divisions. Article I Section 9 of the Constitution forbids titles of nobility and stipulates that no officeholder or government employee may "accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state" without the consent of Congress. Judith Martin wrote in her Miss Manners column in 2001 that bowing "is not an ordinary bit of foreign etiquette one might adopt out of courtesy when traveling. ... Americans do not properly bow to any royalty. We show respect for other countries' leaders the same way we do to our own."

Press outlets have been conspicuously silent on Mr. Obama's bow. Compare this to the New York Times' reaction when former President Bill Clinton inclined a bit too far when meeting Japanese Emperor Akihito in 1994. According to the Gray Lady, "The image on the South Lawn was indelible: an obsequent president, and the Emperor of Japan." Former President George W. Bush received thorough press attention after being photographed holding hands with then-Crown Prince Abdullah in 2005. "It clearly strikes a nerve," CBS News reported, while David Letterman satirized Mr. Bush as "officially the gayest president since Lincoln." These two cases were tame compared to Mr. Obama's full-out genuflection, which makes us wonder why it is not worthy of comment.

Mr. Obama is proving that one can be elected president without knowing how to behave presidentially. His servile gesture was fully fitting with the tone of his humility tour of Europe. In his eagerness to be loved personally, the president has lost sight of the fact that the leader of the free world also must be respected.

                                                                

         

Godgaveme4
by Platinum Member on Apr. 8, 2009 at 11:00 PM

My 6th grader was talking about this.  I guess I don't see the big deal about bowing.  I mean does he bow when he goes to Asia?

As for the cuba things i think it is rediculous that they are talking with him.

MELRN
by Member on Apr. 8, 2009 at 11:06 PM

UNBELEIVABLE!  I'm a dem... I loved Bill Voted in the primarys for Hil  but in the generall election I voted for McCain and so glad I did

mamawmom
by on Apr. 9, 2009 at 1:22 AM

I WAS WATCHING THE NEWS AND ACCORDING TO THEM HE NOT ONLY BOWED,HE THEN LIED ABOUT IT AND SAID HE ONLY BENT DOWN TO REACH FOR HIS HAND BECAUSE HE WAS SHORTER THAN HIM.IT WAS SO OBVIOUS A BOW.I WILL HAVE TO LOOK FOR THE CHANNEL I SAW IT ON AND GET BACK BECAUSE I KNOW IT WILL BE DEMANDED.PLEASE WATCH THE CLIP FOR YOURSELF.IT WAS -A-BOW. 

tuplamama
by Bronze Member on Apr. 9, 2009 at 2:59 AM

We are talking about country where raped women are executed. Where women can'y leave their homes without permission from someone with penis. Where slavery was still OK in 60's(and still continues under different name).

Why on earth would anyone want to respect that?

I REALLY had hopes that the new president would take some real action regards to human rights but no, he continues the old path.

Very sad.

blondekosmic15
by Ruby Member on Apr. 9, 2009 at 4:03 AM


Quoting tuplamama:

We are talking about country where raped women are executed. Where women can'y leave their homes without permission from someone with penis. Where slavery was still OK in 60's(and still continues under different name).

Why on earth would anyone want to respect that?

I REALLY had hopes that the new president would take some real action regards to human rights but no, he continues the old path.

Very sad.


I agree.....the brutality over there is beyond our comprehension. Next Obama will be kissing the cheeks of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or embracing Vladimir Putin~

hsteele
by on Apr. 9, 2009 at 4:17 AM


Quoting MELRN:

SO I just heard on the radio that Obama bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia and the we have reps who went to Cuba and are talking about how nice Castro is?  Is that true and have we lost our sanity? Channel flipping now...

Is that Fidel Castro or his brother?

Heather
Proud Pagan Mama


"...now you're in the minority. Its supposed to taste
like a $h&t taco."
~John Stewart~
mamawmom
by on Apr. 9, 2009 at 12:18 PM

NOT TRYING TO START ANY DRAMA BUT JUST WONDERING.ANYTIME OBAMA IS MENTIONED IN A NEGATIVE WAY,THEY COME FROM EVERYWHERE TO DEFEND HIM .COULD IT BE THAT THERE IS NO DEFENCE FOR THIS SO IT GETS VERY QUITE IN HOPES IT WILL PASS WITHOUT NOTICE? 

gogetem
by on Apr. 9, 2009 at 12:30 PM

I think it's been apparent from the get-go that people in this group and elsewhere are having a hard time logically defending Obama on every issue that arises.    I see a lot of defensive blows, but no substance and cold hard facts.

Quoting mamawmom:

NOT TRYING TO START ANY DRAMA BUT JUST WONDERING.ANYTIME OBAMA IS MENTIONED IN A NEGATIVE WAY,THEY COME FROM EVERYWHERE TO DEFEND HIM .COULD IT BE THAT THERE IS NO DEFENCE FOR THIS SO IT GETS VERY QUITE IN HOPES IT WILL PASS WITHOUT NOTICE? 


sweetie00
by on Apr. 9, 2009 at 12:31 PM


Quoting mamawmom:

NOT TRYING TO START ANY DRAMA BUT JUST WONDERING.ANYTIME OBAMA IS MENTIONED IN A NEGATIVE WAY,THEY COME FROM EVERYWHERE TO DEFEND HIM .COULD IT BE THAT THERE IS NO DEFENCE FOR THIS SO IT GETS VERY QUITE IN HOPES IT WILL PASS WITHOUT NOTICE? 


I really like Obama. But he did make a mistake here. A faux pas. Like the special Olympics thing. I wouldn't read too far into it.

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