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2-year-old killed by Indiana deputy’s gun. UPDATE 4/24/09.

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http://www.indystar.com/article/20090422/LOCAL/90422016
 
MILLTOWN, Ind. — Police say a southern Indiana toddler accidentally shot herself to death with a handgun belonging to her stepfather, who is a reserve deputy with the Crawford County Sheriff’s Department.

State Police say 2-year-old Alexis B. Camp was in a bedroom with her stepfather, Jared Conrad, and her mother Jessica when the gun discharged Monday evening.

Crawford County Deputy Coroner Jerry Brown ruled that the girl died from an accidental self inflicted gun shot wound to the head.

Investigators say the semiautomatic handgun belonging to Conrad was left where the girl could reach it at the home near Milltown, about 30 miles northwest of Louisville, Ky.

Investigators will give their findings to the Crawford County prosecutor’s office for review.

 

 

 

My question: Should these adults be charged with a negligent homicide for leaving a loaded gun within a child's reach resulting in her death? ... or is the death of their child punishment enough? 

UPDATE:  The Indianapolis Star has reported since first reports were that the gun was laying on a table within the toddler's reach, it has now been determined that the ISP has released a report that it was determined the gun was between the mattress and boxsprings of the adults' bed and within the toddler's reach.  The gun was a Glock with a trigger safety and a 5 lb. pull standard.  

Change any minds?

Sherri
by on Apr. 23, 2009 at 9:14 PM
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savannahnhi
by on Apr. 24, 2009 at 3:39 PM


Quoting Scorpio359:

No they should not be charged, they are living in hell now knowing what happened. What if you had a knife in your kitchen and your 2 year old grabbed it and fell on it. Would you want to be put in jail? Pretty soon everything will be a weapon. A can of bug spray can kill a toddler if inhaled. Your nail polish, your hair products, cleaning supplies, plastic wrap, can all be weapons.  What if you ran over your child backing out of your driveway? They will suffer the rest of their lives but maybe this will be a wake up call for all parents.

Not everything can be prevented; but a gun should be lock up and not be near 2 years old.  His carelessness cause a 2 years her life. 

BabyGracesMommy
by Member on Apr. 25, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Wow, you keep knives, buy spray, and hair care products where your two year old can reach(I don't know if you have one but I do have a 2 year old)? I DO NOT EVER keep these things in reach of my child, so I would ABSOLUTELY deserve jail time if my daughter ever got ahold of any of those things (EVEN IF SHE WASN'T HURT BY THEM!!!!), as then I clearly would be nuts to leave those things out like that, all those things are up high in my house, and will continue to be, I can't believe some people!

Quoting Scorpio359:

No they should not be charged, they are living in hell now knowing what happened. What if you had a knife in your kitchen and your 2 year old grabbed it and fell on it. Would you want to be put in jail? Pretty soon everything will be a weapon. A can of bug spray can kill a toddler if inhaled. Your nail polish, your hair products, cleaning supplies, plastic wrap, can all be weapons.  What if you ran over your child backing out of your driveway? They will suffer the rest of their lives but maybe this will be a wake up call for all parents.


Junebug926
by Bronze Member on Apr. 25, 2009 at 5:11 PM

I grew up in Brownsburg and my dh and I live near Eagle Creek right now (more specifically close to Cleremont) but plan on moving in the next year to the Broad Ripple/Meridian Hills area I think.

Quoting PurdueMom:


Quoting Junebug926:

I live in Indy. This story is just so sad and so senseless. :(

I think the parents should be charged. Part of being a parent who is a gun owner is accepting the responsibility of keeping the gun away from the child. There are punishments set aside if you don't.


I'm a Southsider (Greenwood/Southport area).  What side of town do you live?


jblueeyes228
by Member on Apr. 25, 2009 at 5:23 PM


Quoting emilysmom1966:

I agree, the death of your 2 year old is punishment enough. I would be begging them to just shoot me..... so sad. The step father on the other had should be sentenced.       Why the stepfather and not the mother? It depends on how much money they have whether or not they'll be charged. Rich people get away prison free for forgetting their child in the car and the child dying.

Quoting mccainiac:

Two wrongs don't make a right. It was an accident.I'm sure the parent's are distraught with guilt.That is the worst life sentence. 

 


Godgaveme4
by Platinum Member on Apr. 25, 2009 at 7:36 PM

Let me introduce you to my son.  When he was 1 1/2  he started scaling shelves to get what he wants.  Nothing was too high.  In fact the higher you put it, the better you tried to hide the more challenged he felt.

I use to put stuff on top of my fridge to keep it out of reach.  We have no stools in tour kitchen so I felt pretty confident that it was out of reach.  Oh no.  I walkend into the kitchen and he had climbed up the drawers, onto the cabinet and onto the microwave to get whatever was up there.  He was 2.  None of my other kids ever did that. He is just more adventurous and curious than the others.

My point is that you can think your house is very baby proofed or kid proofed.  But nothing is ever 100%.  Your child will surprise you with what they will find.


Quoting BabyGracesMommy:

Wow, you keep knives, buy spray, and hair care products where your two year old can reach(I don't know if you have one but I do have a 2 year old)? I DO NOT EVER keep these things in reach of my child, so I would ABSOLUTELY deserve jail time if my daughter ever got ahold of any of those things (EVEN IF SHE WASN'T HURT BY THEM!!!!), as then I clearly would be nuts to leave those things out like that, all those things are up high in my house, and will continue to be, I can't believe some people!

Quoting Scorpio359:

No they should not be charged, they are living in hell now knowing what happened. What if you had a knife in your kitchen and your 2 year old grabbed it and fell on it. Would you want to be put in jail? Pretty soon everything will be a weapon. A can of bug spray can kill a toddler if inhaled. Your nail polish, your hair products, cleaning supplies, plastic wrap, can all be weapons.  What if you ran over your child backing out of your driveway? They will suffer the rest of their lives but maybe this will be a wake up call for all parents.



BabyGracesMommy
by Member on Apr. 26, 2009 at 1:57 PM

You never heard of cabinet locks then? Seriously, my daughter is a climber too, but A. the house IS 100% babyproofed, and B. My daughter is never out of my site. And if you say he could undo cabinet locks and door locks (which I will never believe a two year old is able to do unless they were not properly installed.) then why not use two? Why not do anything you can to keep your child safe? Throw out the knives, keep your cleaners and shampoo in a safe, you CAN keep that stuff out of reach of a child, my child has tried, and failed to reach unsafe things in my home. I just feel like you didn't put things away so that they would be "convenient" for you, don't tell me your son would have broken into a safe, which in the instance of this terrible story, is were that gun should have been.

Quoting Godgaveme4:

Let me introduce you to my son.  When he was 1 1/2  he started scaling shelves to get what he wants.  Nothing was too high.  In fact the higher you put it, the better you tried to hide the more challenged he felt.

I use to put stuff on top of my fridge to keep it out of reach.  We have no stools in tour kitchen so I felt pretty confident that it was out of reach.  Oh no.  I walkend into the kitchen and he had climbed up the drawers, onto the cabinet and onto the microwave to get whatever was up there.  He was 2.  None of my other kids ever did that. He is just more adventurous and curious than the others.

My point is that you can think your house is very baby proofed or kid proofed.  But nothing is ever 100%.  Your child will surprise you with what they will find.

 

Quoting BabyGracesMommy:

Wow, you keep knives, buy spray, and hair care products where your two year old can reach(I don't know if you have one but I do have a 2 year old)? I DO NOT EVER keep these things in reach of my child, so I would ABSOLUTELY deserve jail time if my daughter ever got ahold of any of those things (EVEN IF SHE WASN'T HURT BY THEM!!!!), as then I clearly would be nuts to leave those things out like that, all those things are up high in my house, and will continue to be, I can't believe some people!

Quoting Scorpio359:

No they should not be charged, they are living in hell now knowing what happened. What if you had a knife in your kitchen and your 2 year old grabbed it and fell on it. Would you want to be put in jail? Pretty soon everything will be a weapon. A can of bug spray can kill a toddler if inhaled. Your nail polish, your hair products, cleaning supplies, plastic wrap, can all be weapons.  What if you ran over your child backing out of your driveway? They will suffer the rest of their lives but maybe this will be a wake up call for all parents.

 

 


lvnmylif
by on Apr. 26, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Yes they should both be charged because I don't think they are telling the truth about the situation.  There is no way with a trigger safety and a five pound pull that a child could have just snuck in with her parents unaware and shot herself before they had a chance to stop her.   I can't say what exactly happened but both of them need to be charged for allowing her child to play with a loaded weapon.  And if they had legislation for being a complete fucking idiot that would be great too.

Godgaveme4
by Platinum Member on Apr. 26, 2009 at 2:38 PM


Quoting BabyGracesMommy:

You never heard of cabinet locks then? Seriously, my daughter is a climber too, but A. the house IS 100% babyproofed, and B. My daughter is never out of my site. And if you say he could undo cabinet locks and door locks (which I will never believe a two year old is able to do unless they were not properly installed.) then why not use two? Why not do anything you can to keep your child safe? Throw out the knives, keep your cleaners and shampoo in a safe, you CAN keep that stuff out of reach of a child, my child has tried, and failed to reach unsafe things in my home. I just feel like you didn't put things away so that they would be "convenient" for you, don't tell me your son would have broken into a safe, which in the instance of this terrible story, is were that gun should have been.

Quoting Godgaveme4:

I am glad you think your house is 100% safe for your child.  You sound like you have made some choices that work for your family.  We did the same with our first.  But decided that was not working for us or how we wanted to handle thing. 

My kids have free reign of the house.  They are told No-No if they get into something they should not. Of course we keep the cleaners under the sink or in the garage.  We do not keep knick knacks or other stuff out of reach because they need to learn to live with those things all of their live not just when they turn 4.  My 4 yr old started unloading the silverware last year.  And guess what there are knives in there.  She was told she has to let us put them away and if she finds one to let us know.  So now she yells KNIFE! when she comes across one.

And now for the guns.  We do not keep all of our guns in a safe.  My husband conceals and carries so he has one on him at all times.  My kids are used to this.  They sit with him when he cleans it.  He haas taught them what it looks like when it is unloaded.  And he has taught them to ask if it is unloaded.  Our kids are given the opportunity to hold the gun whenever they ask to.  We have chosen to educate and make our children familiar and comfortable with guns.

Is there a chance that an accident could happen at our house?  Yes.  To say your house is completely safe is naive.  Our choices have nothing to do with making things convientent for us.  It has everything to do with keeping our kids safe and educating them as they grow.

 

mamaoftwins9197
by Member on Apr. 26, 2009 at 2:42 PM

I think the fact that the gun was in between the mattress and bed makes it even worse.  If they thought that was a safe place to store a gun in a house with a child, they should have never had a gun...regardless of whether or not the guy was a cop.


Biancas_mommy
by Bronze Member on Apr. 26, 2009 at 2:44 PM

All I'm saying is that had to be one hell of a strong toddler cause those guns are NOT easy to discharge...you really have to put some umph in your squeeze and I'm a grown adult....I'm not buying the sotry and the parents were in the room just letting her play with the gun....nope not buying it at all...I'm sure there is more to the story and will come out later on...

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