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DUH! Obama never proposed this.....

Posted by on May. 11, 2009 at 1:41 PM
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Obama NEVER proposed UHC. Don't fall for the hype! These ads are lies!

Conservative Patient Rights Group Launches Attacks On Obama’s Health Plan

Why should you believe Richard Scott, the former CEO of Columbia/HCA Healthcare who was forced to resign amid fraud charges, when he says that Obama’s health care plan will “ration care” and place patients on “waiting lists”? Well, you shouldn’t, of course, but the $20 million dollar TV and Radio misinformation campaign that Scott’s front group, the so-called Conservatives for Patients Rights is launching, may be hard to ignore. Politico has their first couple of ads:

Their principles are rather ironic. Choice, competition, and accountability are deeply enshrined into Obama’s health care proposal. So much so in fact, that the President builds on the existing employer system, establishes an insurance exchange to enhance competition between insurers (the market is currently dominated by large insurers that don’t really compete with each other) and hold insurers accountable to Americans by ensuring that they can’t cherry pick the healthiest applicants or deny coverage to those who have pre-existing conditions.

The group doesn’t engage with the actual content of Obama’s proposal. Its modus operandi– developed and perfected during Clinton’s failed efforts to reform the health care system — is to launch its attacks against a straw man. In fact, it appears that the group’s public relations guru Brian Burgess, is from the same PR firm that managed the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth; launching concocted right wing fairy tales onto the airwaves is something of a cottage industry for these guys.

The other big irony, of course, is that by misrepresenting Obama’s actual proposal, these “conservatives” are protecting the status quo — in which 46 million Americans are uninsured, 25 million Americans are underinsured and many more are now skipping doctors visits and medications to make ends meet in a worsening economy. In delaying health care reform, they’re helping to realize their own doomsday predictions.

 

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NWIndianaMomof4
by Member on May. 11, 2009 at 2:19 PM

I agree.  What exactly is sooooooooo bad about it.  I'm am so tiered of the "You'll wait 3 months for an MRI and 10hrs in the ER!" answer.Don't Americans see that what they are arguing is that if everyone can go to the Dr. "I'm not the only one then and I'll have to wait, so keep insurance hard to get so that not everyone can go!"  Just make it fair, accessible, and reasonable. All Americans should be able to buy (notice I say buy) into the congressional insurance plan.   As tax payers we already pay the employer portion of the bill!

Eilish
by on May. 11, 2009 at 2:25 PM

You're right! He proposed a socialist healthcare system. Hillary was the one who coined "universal health care," but that doesn't mean that the programs are different. They are essentially the same - government run!



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Gypsyuma
by Gold Member on May. 11, 2009 at 5:09 PM

I found this whole Universal Health Care frenzy during the campaign laughable.  The Republicans slapped a label on his health care plan and fanned the socialism fears, when in reality his plan had nothing to do with that.

The ignorant leading the even more ignorant.  They are so busy creating fear with their labels that they don't realize they are hurting themselves and everyone else by not acting rationally.  Maybe we could tend to our nation's problems with some INTELLIGENCE!?

You want proof??  Just look up a few lines.  Maybe these "socialism" scandal perpetuators could tell us EXACTLY how Obama's plan is EXACTLY the same as in say England or France??? 


 

Gypsyuma
by Gold Member on May. 11, 2009 at 5:12 PM


Quoting NWIndianaMomof4:

I agree.  What exactly is sooooooooo bad about it.  I'm am so tiered of the "You'll wait 3 months for an MRI and 10hrs in the ER!" answer.Don't Americans see that what they are arguing is that if everyone can go to the Dr. "I'm not the only one then and I'll have to wait, so keep insurance hard to get so that not everyone can go!"  Just make it fair, accessible, and reasonable. All Americans should be able to buy (notice I say buy) into the congressional insurance plan.   As tax payers we already pay the employer portion of the bill!


And now see above there is a mom who actually knows what Obama is proposing.  It's refreshing isn't it!


 

Eilish
by on May. 11, 2009 at 5:27 PM


Quoting Gypsyuma:

I found this whole Universal Health Care frenzy during the campaign laughable.  The Republicans slapped a label on his health care plan and fanned the socialism fears, when in reality his plan had nothing to do with that.

The ignorant leading the even more ignorant.  They are so busy creating fear with their labels that they don't realize they are hurting themselves and everyone else by not acting rationally.  Maybe we could tend to our nation's problems with some INTELLIGENCE!?

You want proof??  Just look up a few lines.  Maybe these "socialism" scandal perpetuators could tell us EXACTLY how Obama's plan is EXACTLY the same as in say England or France??? 

The problem with your analogy is that the health care system in England and France IS socialist. While I agree that the Republicans were fanning the fire, any health care program that is dependant on the government, especially financially IS socialist. There is simply no way around it.



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Da1nOnlyDestiny
by Bronze Member on May. 11, 2009 at 6:01 PM

granted but it is an option not a mandate so what is the issue really?

Quoting Eilish:


Quoting Gypsyuma:

I found this whole Universal Health Care frenzy during the campaign laughable.  The Republicans slapped a label on his health care plan and fanned the socialism fears, when in reality his plan had nothing to do with that.

The ignorant leading the even more ignorant.  They are so busy creating fear with their labels that they don't realize they are hurting themselves and everyone else by not acting rationally.  Maybe we could tend to our nation's problems with some INTELLIGENCE!?

You want proof??  Just look up a few lines.  Maybe these "socialism" scandal perpetuators could tell us EXACTLY how Obama's plan is EXACTLY the same as in say England or France??? 

The problem with your analogy is that the health care system in England and France IS socialist. While I agree that the Republicans were fanning the fire, any health care program that is dependant on the government, especially financially IS socialist. There is simply no way around it.


                                                                

         

Eilish
by on May. 11, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Actually that's not entirely true. I may have the option to not take it, but I don't have the option to not pay for it. That my dear is not liberty.That is socialism. Furthermore, there have been efforts to undermine alternative forms of medicine in America which make UHC the only choice in America. That is also socialistic. While I would love for everyone to have access to healthcare, when the government takes it over it will all go down hill. We know this from past experience; there is not a government program yet that has not yet been a failure.

Quoting Da1nOnlyDestiny:

granted but it is an option not a mandate so what is the issue really?

Quoting Eilish:


Quoting Gypsyuma:

I found this whole Universal Health Care frenzy during the campaign laughable.  The Republicans slapped a label on his health care plan and fanned the socialism fears, when in reality his plan had nothing to do with that.

The ignorant leading the even more ignorant.  They are so busy creating fear with their labels that they don't realize they are hurting themselves and everyone else by not acting rationally.  Maybe we could tend to our nation's problems with some INTELLIGENCE!?

You want proof??  Just look up a few lines.  Maybe these "socialism" scandal perpetuators could tell us EXACTLY how Obama's plan is EXACTLY the same as in say England or France??? 

The problem with your analogy is that the health care system in England and France IS socialist. While I agree that the Republicans were fanning the fire, any health care program that is dependant on the government, especially financially IS socialist. There is simply no way around it.





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sweetie00
by on May. 11, 2009 at 7:28 PM

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that I don't mind my taxes paying for health care and education. Yes, I'm a crazy liberal. LOL.

Eilish
by on May. 11, 2009 at 11:02 PM

And that is fine .... for you. But it is not fine for me or millions of other Americans. That's the point. It can't be okay form some ... or even the majority, and still have it promote freedom. If it violates an individuals liberties, then it is a violation of the Constitution and therefore illegal in this country. That's the point. If there was a way to make paying into the system voluntary, then I would likely not be as adamantly opposed to it.

Quoting sweetie00:

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that I don't mind my taxes paying for health care and education. Yes, I'm a crazy liberal. LOL.




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Gypsyuma
by Gold Member on May. 12, 2009 at 12:52 AM


Quoting Eilish:


Quoting Gypsyuma:

I found this whole Universal Health Care frenzy during the campaign laughable.  The Republicans slapped a label on his health care plan and fanned the socialism fears, when in reality his plan had nothing to do with that.

The ignorant leading the even more ignorant.  They are so busy creating fear with their labels that they don't realize they are hurting themselves and everyone else by not acting rationally.  Maybe we could tend to our nation's problems with some INTELLIGENCE!?

You want proof??  Just look up a few lines.  Maybe these "socialism" scandal perpetuators could tell us EXACTLY how Obama's plan is EXACTLY the same as in say England or France??? 

The problem with your analogy is that the health care system in England and France IS socialist. While I agree that the Republicans were fanning the fire, any health care program that is dependant on the government, especially financially IS socialist. There is simply no way around it.

That it not an answer Eilish.  According to you Obama's health care plan is socialist.  And also according to you, the health care plans in England and France are socialist.  So can you please point out to us, because maybe we are the ignorant ones (but I don't think so), how is Obama's plan EXACTLY like that in France?  Give us the details, since you seem to think you know.

I can tell why it is NOT the same, but I will listen to you first.


 

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