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MySpace Predator Could Have 100 Teen Victims

Police: MySpace Predator Could Have 100 Teen Victims

Saturday, May 16, 2009
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KTLA: Authorities believe there may be dozens of victims of a MySpace scam that targeted teenage girls thoughout California, Canada and the United Kingdom.

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32-year-old Joshua David Threlkeld is accused of posing as a 14-year-old girl to get teens to model for photos, then having sex with them.

At least ten victims have been identified in Orange, San Bernardino, Los Angeles and Riverside counties. Investigators believe there could be up to 100 more.

Threlkeld was arrested Friday, following an investigation that began in February with a report from two teenage girls who said they were contacted by a man who posed as a 14-year-old girl using the name Sarah Miller on MySpace, according to sheriff's Sgt. David Gutierrez.

The girls were asked if they wanted to pose for photos with a man named "Josh" who ran a modeling agency called "Model-508 Studio," according to sheriff's officials. The two girls were picked up in Moreno Valley and driven to Orange County where the man photographed them. One of the girls was asked to pose during a second photo shoot in Palm Springs. Officials say that's when the man had sex with the girl.

"When she became despondent because she wouldn't be paid for modeling, Threlkeld offered her money for sex," sheriff's Detective Matthew Weinstein wrote in the declaration in support of an arrest warrant.

"Desperate to get money because her mother was on welfare and ... behind on rent," the girl agreed and got into a shower with the defendant, where she gave him oral sex and allowed him to do the same, as well as another sex act, the detective alleged.

The girl was allegedly paid $120 and taken home, Weinstein said.

Authorities were alerted after a friend of one of the girls learned about the alleged incidents and told her own mother, who contacted that girl's mother, according to court documents.

Investigators were able to track down a man who fit the description of "Josh" using MySpace. His neck tattoos made him easy to track down, according to Guitierrez.

Police searched Threlkeld's Orange County home and seized computers, cell phones, and cameras.

Investigators with the Sexual Assault Felony Enforcement Team checked the suspect's MySpace site, `Model-508 Studios," and determined it was an online solicitation site for nude modeling work, and was apparently geared toward girls between 13 and 17 years of age, authorities said.

According to Weinstein, Threlkeld was successful in getting many girls to send him graphic, revealing poses of themselves.

Weinstein's declaration states that Threlkeld, in an interview with detectives, admitted to being "sick" and taking nude photos of girls and sending those photos to them in order to entice them into taking more sexually explicit photos for him.

Threlkeld said he need help for his "addiction," Weinstein wrote.

"He claimed the original two victims were `jealous' and he did not know what they would say about him," Weinstein wrote.

Threlkeld is scheduled to be arraigned Wednesday on charges of kidnapping to commit rape; aggravated sexual assault of a minor by force; penetration by force, violence, duress, menace or fear; communicating with a minor with the intent to commit a specified offense; and arranging a meeting with a minor.

More charges in connection with additional alleged victims, plus child pornography charges, may be forthcoming, authorities indicated.

Does your child use Myspace? At what age did they join? Do you have their password? Would you be their friend? How do you protect your children online?

 





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by on May. 16, 2009 at 1:18 PM
Replies (11-19):
ddbz
by Silver Member on May. 17, 2009 at 12:27 AM


Quoting anita73:

 

Quoting ddbz:

I'm afraid that I must differ with you on this issue. I just posted in the drug thread about how much is going on in the adolescent brain: 13 is far too young to be deciding to have sex at all.

Thousands of years of evolution would've selected it out if that were actually true.  (Some of us want it to be true, so we imagine it must be.) 

The human brain is an anomaly in the evolutionary process. It behaves like that of no other brain in nature. It matures at a rate far slower than the body that it evolved in. Modern society has also changed in ways that do not support the evolution of the human brain. There are many factors in modern society that contribute to the premature development of the human body and the loss of a support system for the teenage mother.

You should also check out the abortion rates in those other countries (I'm pro-choice but there's no need to promote practices that cause unplanned preg's)  and how many of those men fuel the child prostitution industry throughout the world.

I have looked at the abortion rates and there is not the correlation you suggest.  Cuba has the world's highest abortion to live birth ratio (58.6% of all pregnancies are terminated!), and has an average age of consent, 16.  In Spain, the age of consent is 13 and the percentage is 12.6%.  In South Korea, the age of consent is 13 and the percentage is 24.6%.  In the U.S. the age of consent ranges from 16 to 18 and the percentage is 25.9%.  Now, you can use the stats to cherrypick some other countries that would lead you to the opposite conclusion if you want, but that just proves there is no real correlation.

That's because there's such a huge problem with ignorance about teen sex in our country. I need to see the consent rates for the greater part of Europe and the industrialized nations.The countries that you mentioned have almost no recognition of women's rights

As for prostitution, as everyone knows from the "drug war", illegality is the one indispensable condition for turning anything into a black market commodity.  That doesn't mean you can legalize everything, but you have to do a serious consideration of the costs versus the benefits.

Are you inferring that a 13 y.o girl should be able to choose to sell herself sexually?

One of the least measures that we can take to protect our teenage daughters from getting exploited is to make it illegal for an adult to use them sexually.

Just google "adolescent brain" and read a few articles. It's horrifying to think that teens have so very little abiltiy to manage their own lives, and that we as parents aren't aware of these medically proven facts.

Obviously it's true that the adolescent brain is still developing.  That doesn't change the fact that all over the world, adolescents are given, and successfully meet, all sorts of expectations that American adolescents nowadays couldn't begin to cope with. Same applies to American teenagers 100 years ago compared to modern ones.  The point being, it's not physiological; it's cultural.

And one of the most important cultural changes that we can make with regards to our teens is to step in and parent them: we can educate them about the dangers of sexual activity and do our best to keep them from having sex until they are responsible enough to understand the risks of sexual behavior and trust them to use BC responsibly.

BTW here are my sources:

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/25s3099.html

This document is over 10 years old. It is no longer accurate or relevant.

http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm

Did you even read through this link yourself? The vast majority of countries require the age of 16 or older for consent. I think I saw 3 countries with 13 y.o. ages of consent.

And here are my sources:

http://web.sfn.org/index.cfm?pagename=brainBriefings_Adolescent_brain

http://www.thenationalcampaign.org/resources/pdf/BRAIN.pdf


 

anita73
by on May. 17, 2009 at 1:52 AM


Quoting ddbz:

The human brain is an anomaly in the evolutionary process. It behaves like that of no other brain in nature. It matures at a rate far slower than the body that it evolved in. Modern society has also changed in ways that do not support the evolution of the human brain. There are many factors in modern society that contribute to the premature development of the human body and the loss of a support system for the teenage mother.

I'd agree that the possible loss of a support system can be a major barrier for teenage mothers.  But if that were the only or major basis for the higher age of consent, it would only apply to heterosexual intercourse, not to homosexual acts or any heterosexual acts short of intercourse, since that is the only source of teenage motherhood.  And we need to start educating kids better on pregnancy prevention, not trying to train them to live like nuns.

That's because there's such a huge problem with ignorance about teen sex in our country. I need to see the consent rates for the greater part of Europe and the industrialized nations.The countries that you mentioned have almost no recognition of women's rights

That latter statement's not true at all of any country I listed except Cuba, and that's only the case because it's a Communist dictatorship in which everyone's rights are drastically curtailed.

We totally agree on the need for comprehensive, accurate sex education.  I simply disagree on the need for legally enforced teenage virginity.

Are you inferring that a 13 y.o girl should be able to choose to sell herself sexually?

No, I was implying, and now I am stating, that reducing the age of consent would eliminate the market for economic exploitation of that age bracket.

One of the least measures that we can take to protect our teenage daughters from getting exploited is to make it illegal for an adult to use them sexually.

If you want to construe any and every sexual encounter between a teenager and an adult as "exploitation", then we simply disagree.

And one of the most important cultural changes that we can make with regards to our teens is to step in and parent them: we can educate them about the dangers of sexual activity and do our best to keep them from having sex until they are responsible enough to understand the risks of sexual behavior and trust them to use BC responsibly.

I'm all for parenting kids, and all for comprehensive sex ed, but I'm not for exaggerating the dangers to the exclusion of everything else. My older son is 17 and I no longer wish to 'keep him from having sex', because I know he is capable of using BC responsibly, and also capable of avoiding intercourse in favor of some other satisfying option.  I could turn out to be wrong.  But if he doesn't get it now, he won't get it ten years from now either.

This document is over 10 years old. It is no longer accurate or relevant.

If you have information to the effect that abortion rates have dramatically shifted over the last 10 years, I'll be happy to look at it.  Until then, 10-year-old data beats no data.

Did you even read through this link yourself? The vast majority of countries require the age of 16 or older for consent. I think I saw 3 countries with 13 y.o. ages of consent.

And there were plenty with 14 or 15 y.o. ages of consent.  The point stands, there is not the correlation you claimed between a lower age of consent and a higher abortion rate.


ddbz
by Silver Member on May. 17, 2009 at 3:07 AM


Quoting anita73:

 

Quoting ddbz:

The human brain is an anomaly in the evolutionary process. It behaves like that of no other brain in nature. It matures at a rate far slower than the body that it evolved in. Modern society has also changed in ways that do not support the evolution of the human brain. There are many factors in modern society that contribute to the premature development of the human body and the loss of a support system for the teenage mother.

I'd agree that the possible loss of a support system can be a major barrier for teenage mothers.  But if that were the only or major basis for the higher age of consent, it would only apply to heterosexual intercourse, not to homosexual acts or any heterosexual acts short of intercourse, since that is the only source of teenage motherhood.  And we need to start educating kids better on pregnancy prevention, not trying to train them to live like nuns.

The issue with "age of consent" is whether or not the girl is able to protect herself from harm. In this case, these girls were not able to do so, and wound up having sex with a criminal. I feel that your point is that this man should not be prosecuted for what he did to these girls because they set themselves up for his exploitation. And I think an older girl, certainly a grown woman, could not have been fooled like this.

This is a separate issue from that of a 14 y.o. girl and her 15 y.o boyfriend sneaking off and having sex.

I see nothing wrong with telling my daughter that it's O.K. to say "no" I also have every intent to limit her activities with members of the opposite sex until I'm sure that she can use BC responsibly. I don't consider this to be "living like a nun."  And I'd hope I'd be aware enough of her whereabouts to keep her out of the clutches of a 30 y.o. sexual predator.

 

 

That's because there's such a huge problem with ignorance about teen sex in our country. I need to see the consent rates for the greater part of Europe and the industrialized nations.The countries that you mentioned have almost no recognition of women's rights

That latter statement's not true at all of any country I listed except Cuba, and that's only the case because it's a Communist dictatorship in which everyone's rights are drastically curtailed.

Gotta disagree: Japan and Korea are notorious for their backwards attitudes about women. And Korea has little to no recognition of children's rights either so certainly they don't care about protecting young girls. And Cuba is practically a 3rd world country, so no concern for child welfare there either ...

We totally agree on the need for comprehensive, accurate sex education.  I simply disagree on the need for legally enforced teenage virginity.

Who said anything about enforced teenage virginity? I'm all about enforced protection of my child from 30 y.o. slimeballs.

 

Are you inferring that a 13 y.o girl should be able to choose to sell herself sexually?

No, I was implying, and now I am stating, that reducing the age of consent would eliminate the market for economic exploitation of that age bracket.

It would have the opposite effect. It would render the market for teen prostitution wide open.

 

One of the least measures that we can take to protect our teenage daughters from getting exploited is to make it illegal for an adult to use them sexually.

If you want to construe any and every sexual encounter between a teenager and an adult as "exploitation", then we simply disagree.

The line does get blurred when we are talking about the 13 y.o. girl and her 18 y.o. bf, or the 15 y.o. and her 21 y.o. and I think these cases are not prosecuted in the same manner. But there are other issues, like when 13 throws herself all over mr. 30 and he "lets her have her way with him." In a case like this, I expect him to be a man and send her away, and he should be prosecuted if he lays a hand on her.

 

And one of the most important cultural changes that we can make with regards to our teens is to step in and parent them: we can educate them about the dangers of sexual activity and do our best to keep them from having sex until they are responsible enough to understand the risks of sexual behavior and trust them to use BC responsibly.

I'm all for parenting kids, and all for comprehensive sex ed, but I'm not for exaggerating the dangers to the exclusion of everything else. My older son is 17 and I no longer wish to 'keep him from having sex', because I know he is capable of using BC responsibly, and also capable of avoiding intercourse in favor of some other satisfying option.  I could turn out to be wrong.  But if he doesn't get it now, he won't get it ten years from now either.

Remember our atrociously high teen preg. rate? Even with current numbers that's no exaggeration. And 17 is waaay older than 14; all that neurological reorganization is starting to sort itself out and he should be more in control of his executive functions.

 

This document is over 10 years old. It is no longer accurate or relevant.

If you have information to the effect that abortion rates have dramatically shifted over the last 10 years, I'll be happy to look at it.  Until then, 10-year-old data beats no data.

I do not trust obsolete data. Also there was no breakdown by age group in those tables, and in the second table, they specified a long list of countries with "incomplete or unknown completeness" as their data values. This is the table that you seem to have drawn much of your data from, so there is every reason to suspect the validity of those tables. Japan Korea and Spain are all in that section, so in addition to being too old to be reliable, it isn't accurate.

Did you even read through this link yourself? The vast majority of countries require the age of 16 or older for consent. I think I saw 3 countries with 13 y.o. ages of consent.

And there were plenty with 14 or 15 y.o. ages of consent.  The point stands, there is not the correlation you claimed between a lower age of consent and a higher abortion rate.

With very few exceptions, the nations with ages of consent below the age of 16 are third world nations with no recognition of women/children's rights. I certainly won't be raising my daughter in any places like that.

I'm willing to bet that many of these girls wind  up having their first child before they are 15 and there are a lot more bathroom abortions than are recorded.

And I couldn't find correlating data for some of these countries: also the others listed data in the "incomplete" section of the Incidence of Abortion chart.

 

And I'd like to make sure that no one thinks that I'm much in control of my own 14 y.o. either. We have our difficulties and she hates me for butting into her life. I certainly can't be sure that something like this couldn't happen to my girl, and, honestly I can't judge the mothers of the girls who got used by that bastard.

anita73
by on May. 17, 2009 at 8:45 AM


Quoting ddbz:

The issue with "age of consent" is whether or not the girl is able to protect herself from harm. In this case, these girls were not able to do so, and wound up having sex with a criminal. I feel that your point is that this man should not be prosecuted for what he did to these girls because they set themselves up for his exploitation. And I think an older girl, certainly a grown woman, could not have been fooled like this.


Lots of definitional and a few logical problems here.  First sentence, you're assuming they were necessarily "harmed"; I'm not.  Second sentence, they were not "able" to do so, or they "decided not to" do so.  Also second sentence, "wound up having sex with a criminal"...yes a criminal under the laws I'm arguing shouldn't exist, so that's a circular argument.  Third sentence, to the extent that "exploitation" was involved, it's because the transactions were illegal.  Fourth sentence, an older girl or grown woman could indeed not have been fooled like this precisely because no horny guy would resort to using this sort of subterfuge when a simple, and legal, proposition like "Can I jump your bones" would serve the purpose.

This is a separate issue from that of a 14 y.o. girl and her 15 y.o boyfriend sneaking off and having sex.

To an extent yes, to an extent no.  If we assume a 14 y.o. girl is capable of consenting to sex with anyone, her choice of partner is a minor detail.  Remember, under my system an older partner would not be posing as a photographer.

I see nothing wrong with telling my daughter that it's O.K. to say "no" I also have every intent to limit her activities with members of the opposite sex until I'm sure that she can use BC responsibly.

Red herring, and an entirely dishonest one.  I never said it's not O.K. to say "no", but your side constantly demands that it's not O.K. to say "yes", and moreover, you want your views backed by the force of the law.

I don't consider this to be "living like a nun."  And I'd hope I'd be aware enough of her whereabouts to keep her out of the clutches of a 30 y.o. sexual predator.

If you define any 30 y.o. who has the hots for teen girls as a sexual predator then we are at an impasse.  Biologically, that's about as natural as natural gets.

Gotta disagree: Japan and Korea are notorious for their backwards attitudes about women. And Korea has little to no recognition of children's rights either so certainly they don't care about protecting young girls. And Cuba is practically a 3rd world country, so no concern for child welfare there either ...

I disagree with almost every word of this and wonder where you got it from, but that would be an argument better suited to a different thread.

Who said anything about enforced teenage virginity? I'm all about enforced protection of my child from 30 y.o. slimeballs.

Again, prejudicial and therefore very unconvincing language.  If you think a 30 y.o. with the hots for teens is a slimeball, you haven't studied much in anthropology, among other fields.

It would have the opposite effect. It would render the market for teen prostitution wide open.

No, it would not.  If teen sex were legal but teen prostitution were illegal, 90% of the market would try to get sex the legal way rather than risk humiliation and prison.  Maybe 10% of them would actually get somewhere with a girl who actually had a choice in the matter.

The line does get blurred when we are talking about the 13 y.o. girl and her 18 y.o. bf, or the 15 y.o. and her 21 y.o. and I think these cases are not prosecuted in the same manner. But there are other issues, like when 13 throws herself all over mr. 30 and he "lets her have her way with him." In a case like this, I expect him to be a man and send her away, and he should be prosecuted if he lays a hand on her.

Can you explain why it's more harmful for a girl to have sex with a 30 y.o. than with a 18 y.o.?  If anything, I would think it was better with the older man, because he would have a wider experience of life to share with her.  Why condemn every teen girl to only be with guys whose greatest passion in life is skateboarding?  Uggghhh.

Remember our atrociously high teen preg. rate?

It's atrociously high only compared to other countries that happen to have better sex education, whether their age of consent happens to be higher, the same, or lower than ours.

I do not trust obsolete data.

OK, I tried to get some better data.  In 2005, Spain's abortion rate had risen all the way to 15%, with no change in the age of consent.   South Korea's latest information was from 1999 at 25.4%.  Japan's rate in 2006 was 20.2%.  America's most recent was 22.6%, in 2005.  Sorry I can't do better with the data, they aren't updated very often, but you're the one who brought it up.

With very few exceptions, the nations with ages of consent below the age of 16 are third world nations with no recognition of women/children's rights. I certainly won't be raising my daughter in any places like that.

Denmark is not third world.  Japan is not third world.  Iceland is not third world.  Austria is not third world.  Hungary is not third world.  Sweden is not third world.  Spain is not third world.  Heck, even South Korea is not third world these days.

I'm willing to bet that many of these girls wind  up having their first child before they are 15 and there are a lot more bathroom abortions than are recorded.

Bet all you want, but the only evidence you have for it is your own prejudice.

And I'd like to make sure that no one thinks that I'm much in control of my own 14 y.o. either. We have our difficulties and she hates me for butting into her life. I certainly can't be sure that something like this couldn't happen to my girl, and, honestly I can't judge the mothers of the girls who got used by that bastard.

That's a big non sequitur; nobody suggested anything remotely of the sort.  Why would you even bother to say you're not judging them?  What if some of them, like me, believed safe sex is better than no sex, would you judge them then?


vlester
by Bronze Member on May. 17, 2009 at 11:44 AM

I'm not even surprised because this kind of MESS happens everyday sad to say

dereksmommy1227
by on May. 17, 2009 at 11:50 AM

 I have a myspace and I got my myspace when I was 16. My parents didn't control anything done on the internet so no they did not have my information.  Now I had some common sense and knew that I would NOT meet anyone I didn't know anywhere.  I was never a fan of meetin people on the internet anyway. Even today there isn't ANYONE on my myspace that I haven't met in person. My myspace is also private protecting my family from perverts.  You also can't add me without a last name or email address.

I don't think parents can really protect their kids online.  You can talk to them, forbid them to have a myspace, and monitor their online time however kids will be kids and they will make a myspace you don't know about.

I hope that when my son is old enough to use the internet that myspace will be a thing of the past but if not I hope that my son will be honest with me and will tell me so I talk to him about not addding anyone he doesn't know and making his stuff private.


I'm a formula feeding, pacifier using, circumcising, pro-choice mom. I don't care how you feed your child as long as you feed your child. I turned my son's car seat around to face forward because rear facing does have weight limits! I don't believe everything the internet tells me and I listen to advice but it does not mean I'll take it.

ddbz
by Silver Member on May. 17, 2009 at 2:26 PM


Quoting anita73:

 

Quoting ddbz:

The issue with "age of consent" is whether or not the girl is able to protect herself from harm. In this case, these girls were not able to do so, and wound up having sex with a criminal. I feel that your point is that this man should not be prosecuted for what he did to these girls because they set themselves up for his exploitation. And I think an older girl, certainly a grown woman, could not have been fooled like this.


Lots of definitional and a few logical problems here.  First sentence, you're assuming they were necessarily "harmed"; I'm not.  Second sentence, they were not "able" to do so, or they "decided not to" do so.  Also second sentence, "wound up having sex with a criminal"...yes a criminal under the laws I'm arguing shouldn't exist, so that's a circular argument.  Third sentence, to the extent that "exploitation" was involved, it's because the transactions were illegal.  Fourth sentence, an older girl or grown woman could indeed not have been fooled like this precisely because no horny guy would resort to using this sort of subterfuge when a simple, and legal, proposition like "Can I jump your bones" would serve the purpose.

You didn't read my links about the neurological developments in the adolescent brain, did you? Did you read what he did to that girl? Why did she blow him in the shower? He's a criminal because he lied to them about his intentions. It doesn't matter why. Then there's the assault by force, penetration by force, etc. When should that ever be legal?

 

This is a separate issue from that of a 14 y.o. girl and her 15 y.o boyfriend sneaking off and having sex.

To an extent yes, to an extent no.  If we assume a 14 y.o. girl is capable of consenting to sex with anyone, her choice of partner is a minor detail.  Remember, under my system an older partner would not be posing as a photographer.

Right - He can tell her whatever he wants, like "I'll love you forever and buy you whatever you want ..." and she'll believe him because her hormones are telling her what to think instead of her prefrontal cortex. Then he can dump her the minute he gets tired of her.

I see nothing wrong with telling my daughter that it's O.K. to say "no" I also have every intent to limit her activities with members of the opposite sex until I'm sure that she can use BC responsibly.

Red herring, and an entirely dishonest one.  I never said it's not O.K. to say "no", but your side constantly demands that it's not O.K. to say "yes", and moreover, you want your views backed by the force of the law.

Well, OK but I'm arguing from the standpoint that teenage  girls can't really figure out for themselves that its OK to say "NO" and if they change their minds about an older man's attention, they can back out and leave, too.

 

 

I don't consider this to be "living like a nun."  And I'd hope I'd be aware enough of her whereabouts to keep her out of the clutches of a 30 y.o. sexual predator.

If you define any 30 y.o. who has the hots for teen girls as a sexual predator then we are at an impasse.  Biologically, that's about as natural as natural gets.

One more time. Humans are expected to put their biological urges aside and do what's best for the greater society. It's why we don't steal, fight, or have unprotected sex. It has been scientifically proven that teenagers are not sufficiently in control of their thought processes to curtail their sexual urges. They are mentally still children, even though their bodies are mature. I expect an adult to understand this and put their desires aside until the object of their desire is mature enough to handle a modern adult relationship.

 

Gotta disagree: Japan and Korea are notorious for their backwards attitudes about women. And Korea has little to no recognition of children's rights either so certainly they don't care about protecting young girls. And Cuba is practically a 3rd world country, so no concern for child welfare there either ...

I disagree with almost every word of this and wonder where you got it from, but that would be an argument better suited to a different thread.

You can just google "Japan"+"women's rights," same with Korea, or Africa, or South America, or Eastern Europe, or Southeast Asia, or Middle East. You can also read Mags like National Geographic, or your newspaper, or watch shows like Frontline. PBS is always running independent documentaries about the conditions for women and children throughout the world. I'd like to know where you're getting your facts about the status of women throughout the world.

 

Who said anything about enforced teenage virginity? I'm all about enforced protection of my child from 30 y.o. slimeballs.

Again, prejudicial and therefore very unconvincing language.  If you think a 30 y.o. with the hots for teens is a slimeball, you haven't studied much in anthropology, among other fields.

In addition to the above-stated sources for my current perceptions about women/children's rights, I took every anthro/soc/psych elective that I could when I was in college - I considered majoring in anthro. Before the rape of the third world, most cultures had strict (but oppressive) rules about the sexual behavior of their women. Yes many a grown man took his 13 y.o. bride, but only under the strict controls of the culture in which he lived. Still not the life I'd choose for my own daughter, but certainly not just some sexual free-for-all either.

 

 

It would have the opposite effect. It would render the market for teen prostitution wide open.

No, it would not.  If teen sex were legal but teen prostitution were illegal, 90% of the market would try to get sex the legal way rather than risk humiliation and prison.  Maybe 10% of them would actually get somewhere with a girl who actually had a choice in the matter.

Sickeningly, you could be right. But there are going to be a lot of remorseful, man-hating women in your world.

 

The line does get blurred when we are talking about the 13 y.o. girl and her 18 y.o. bf, or the 15 y.o. and her 21 y.o. and I think these cases are not prosecuted in the same manner. But there are other issues, like when 13 throws herself all over mr. 30 and he "lets her have her way with him." In a case like this, I expect him to be a man and send her away, and he should be prosecuted if he lays a hand on her.

Can you explain why it's more harmful for a girl to have sex with a 30 y.o. than with a 18 y.o.?  If anything, I would think it was better with the older man, because he would have a wider experience of life to share with her.  Why condemn every teen girl to only be with guys whose greatest passion in life is skateboarding?  Uggghhh.

It's still illegal either way, and will be stopped by law enforcement. I just believe that the 18 y.o. might not be prosecuted as harshly and the older man.

Once again: teen girls are still children. They belong with other children and not slimy men.


 

 

Remember our atrociously high teen preg. rate?

It's atrociously high only compared to other countries that happen to have better sex education, whether their age of consent happens to be higher, the same, or lower than ours.

This is true but a separate issue from the reasons for age-of-consent laws.


 

I do not trust obsolete data.

OK, I tried to get some better data.  In 2005, Spain's abortion rate had risen all the way to 15%, with no change in the age of consent.   South Korea's latest information was from 1999 at 25.4%.  Japan's rate in 2006 was 20.2%.  America's most recent was 22.6%, in 2005.  Sorry I can't do better with the data, they aren't updated very often, but you're the one who brought it up.

With very few exceptions, the nations with ages of consent below the age of 16 are third world nations with no recognition of women/children's rights. I certainly won't be raising my daughter in any places like that.

Denmark is not third world.  Japan is not third world.  Iceland is not third world.  Austria is not third world.  Hungary is not third world.  Sweden is not third world.  Spain is not third world.  Heck, even South Korea is not third world these days.

Go back and review their unplanned preg. rates, if you can find anything specific to this age group. Hungary is mired in poverty. Spain is so Catholic it's unworkable. And there you go with Korea and Japan again ... Not places I'd ever raise a daughter. 

 

I'm willing to bet that many of these girls wind  up having their first child before they are 15 and there are a lot more bathroom abortions than are recorded.

Bet all you want, but the only evidence you have for it is your own prejudice.

Been reading your Nat'l Geo lately? See all those pics of tiny little girls holding their babies? See all the tiny little graves that are holding their dead babies? That's what makes me double down on my hand.


 

And I'd like to make sure that no one thinks that I'm much in control of my own 14 y.o. either. We have our difficulties and she hates me for butting into her life. I certainly can't be sure that something like this couldn't happen to my girl, and, honestly I can't judge the mothers of the girls who got used by that bastard.

That's a big non sequitur; nobody suggested anything remotely of the sort.  Why would you even bother to say you're not judging them? 

My point was that no one can control their teenaged daughters, no matter what their hopes are.

What if some of them, like me, believed safe sex is better than no sex, would you judge them then?

I just wouldn't let my daughter anywhere near yours.

 


anita73
by on May. 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM

I'm not going to reply point by point, I'll just state for the record that I preferred older guys when I was a teenager and in retrospect I don't think that they were "slimeballs", or "predators" or anything of the sort, nor was it because my hormones overruled my brain.  I don't regret a single one of those relationships, although I've had a few same-age relationship I regretted.  So, no big deal, but I think our life experiences are too far apart for either to make sense to the other, and I'll leave it at that.

Sweetfairy28
by Member on May. 18, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Maybe my emotions are to far into this one to see past my nose but sometimes it seems like the victims get blamed and punished more then the predator.

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