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TORTURE

Posted by on Jun. 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM
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Mr. WHITEHOUSE. Mr. President, I wish to now change the subject and
speak about an incident that is not part of anybody's proud heritage
and that is the evidence we have recently heard about America's descent
into torture. I know it is an awkward subject to talk about, an awkward
subject to think about. On the one hand, we, as Americans, love our
country, we hate the violence that has been done to us, and we want
more than anything to protect our people from attacks. On the other
hand, torture is wrong and we have known it and behaved accordingly in
far worse circumstances than now.
When Washington's troops hid in the snows of Valley Forge from a
superior British force bent on their destruction, we did not torture.
When our capital city was occupied and our Capitol burned by troops of
the world's greatest naval power, we did not torture. When Nazi powers
threatened our freedom in one hemisphere and Japanese aircraft
destroyed much of our Pacific fleet in the other, we did not torture.
Indeed, even when Americans took arms against Americans in our bloody
Civil War, we did not torture.
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2009_cr/s060909.html

by on Jun. 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM
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tericared
by on Jun. 12, 2009 at 2:53 PM

 There is another set of questions around how this was allowed to
happen. When one knows that America has over and over prosecuted
waterboarding, both as crime and as war crime; when one knows that the
Reagan Department of Justice convicted and imprisoned a Texas sheriff
for waterboarding prisoners;
when one sees no mention of this history
in the lengthy opinions of the Office of Legal Counsel at DOJ that
cleared the waterboarding--no mention whatsoever;

stormcris
by Christy on Jun. 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM

No offense but I do not think we have a recent descent into torture I think it is just more public. We have always used torture at least as far back as the witch trials and conflict with the Indians.

tericared
by on Jun. 12, 2009 at 3:09 PM

witch hunts etc were not times when we were at war and holding prisoners..

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by Bronze Member on Jun. 12, 2009 at 3:11 PM
Quoting stormcris:

No offense but I do not think we have a recent descent into torture I think it is just more public. We have always used torture at least as far back as the witch trials and conflict with the Indians.




I was going to say that too. And like pointed out in another post, we had Japanese (and Japanese-Americans) in internment camps. Oh, and then we dropped a bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Would we prefer that?








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stormcris
by Christy on Jun. 12, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Can we really say that we were not in a war of sorts? The church was in war with Ireland the first witch who was sentenced was an Irish slave....during that same time King William was at war with indian tribes which turned into King Phillips war. We were holding prisoners for both those campaigns. Indian prisoners that has commited not crime and 150 supposed witches.

Quoting tericared:

witch hunts etc were not times when we were at war and holding prisoners..


tericared
by on Jun. 12, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Does any one not see that in past wars torture was not an option because it is wrong, but now it is OK....We did and we are torturing people.....

stormcris
by Christy on Jun. 12, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Torture was always ok before now it is wrong. We legalized torture with the very laws that were meant to eradicate it. We tortured a lot of people during the cold war era and people condoned it as American.

This site talks about the surface of it but it goes far deeper and much further back than what is addressed in here. We tortured people during the Pillippine-American War: President McKinley claimed that God told him to take over the Philippines. Civilians were rounded up, tortured by what would today be called "water boarding" and other methods, and murdered. Any malea over the age of 10 years was considered to be capable of bearing arms, and could be, and frequently were summarily executed. Civilians were killed for "sport". The upper eschelons of the military and civilian government decided that the conventional rules of war at that time did not apply. And of course, any who criticized the war were labeled as traitors.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MCC409A.html

http://futureofthewhirled.com/the_philippine_american_war_and_iraq_ii



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