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Would you kill 97 innocent Americans just to get to 2 bad guys?

Posted by on Jun. 19, 2009 at 7:21 PM
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'No US charges' over Afghan raid

 

Afghan children were also reportedly injured in
the airstrike [EPA]

The US military is unlikely to discipline troops involved in an air strike in Afghanistan which killed up to 140 civilians, the top US commander has said.

Admiral Mike Mullen, the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, said he had seen nothing in a forthcoming report on the strike that might lead to disciplinary action over the incident.

The release of the report on the air strikes in Farah province in May had been delayed on Thursday amid reported disagreements among military officers over what information should be made public.

The US and Afghan governments have clashed for weeks over the incident.

Afghan officials say the strike killed 140 civilians, making it the most deadly military operation involving civilians since the 2001 US-led invasion.

Preliminary US estimates had put the civilian death toll at between 20 and 35 and the number of Taliban fighters killed at 80 to 95.

An Afghan rights watchdog has said that 97 civilians died, and that no more than two Taliban fighters were killed.

"There are some estimated but ... I don't think we ever will really know how many," Mullen said.

Report recommendations

Officials have already said some mistakes were made and that procedures were not strictly followed in the operation, media reports said.

The US is sent to send thousands more troops
to Afghanistan [Reuters]

The report, details of which have been leaked to the US media, urges increased training for US troops.

It is also set to urge a review of the use of air support when targeting Taliban fighters after mounting civilian casualties that have provoked outrage in Afghanistan.

It also recommends that US forces sent to Afghanistan should receive training in the kinds of scenarios they could face, including situations that have resulted in civilian deaths, one official told the Associated Press.

Periodic refresher training throughout soldiers' tours of duty in the war zone, is also set to be recommended by the report.

The review said the early May air raids were carried out against Taliban targets in Farah but that, at least in one case, it was unclear whether civilians were in the vicinity.

Bombing 'delayed'

In one incident, an Air Force B-1 dropped a 900kg bomb on a building that Taliban fighters had been seen entering, officials say.

Some military officials have questioned whether that bomb was larger and more destructive than warranted, the Associated Press reported.

Afghans have expressed outrage at
civilian deaths from US bombing [Reuters]

The air crew received permission to strike, but circled around and dropped the bomb without reconfirming, the report is set to say.

That delay, officials said, may have allowed the fighters to leave the building and civilians to enter before the bomb was dropped.

It is not known whether the raid added to the civilian toll, officials have said.

Officials said the report does not recommend changes in tactics and procedures used in Afghanistan, though the new commander there, Lieutenant-General Stanley McChrystal, has said he will review them as well as all existing rules of engagement.

The US government has come under increasing criticism over the past year for civilian deaths during operations against Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Barack Obama, the US president, and other Washington officials have repeatedly expressed regret for civilian casualties and vowed to take measures that would avoid future attacks.


 

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norwegianwood
by Platinum Member on Jun. 19, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Depends..if those bad guys were Hitler and Stalin? In a heartbeat. If they were some local thugs? Nope.

P 

tericared
by on Jun. 19, 2009 at 8:10 PM

 Officials have already said some mistakes were made and that procedures were not strictly followed in the operation, media reports said.

In one incident, an Air Force B-1 dropped a 900kg bomb on a building that Taliban fighters had been seen entering, officials say.

Some military officials have questioned whether that bomb was larger and more destructive than warranted, the Associated Press reported.

Wow can you say some one messed up big time,,,,

norwegianwood
by Platinum Member on Jun. 19, 2009 at 8:14 PM


Quoting tericared:

 Officials have already said some mistakes were made and that procedures were not strictly followed in the operation, media reports said.

 

In one incident, an Air Force B-1 dropped a 900kg bomb on a building that Taliban fighters had been seen entering, officials say.

Some military officials have questioned whether that bomb was larger and more destructive than warranted, the Associated Press reported.

Wow can you say some one messed up big time,,,,

Yep..difference is in our system there will be an investigation, the person will be penalized, and steps will be taken to try to shield against further mistakes. Not so with the Taliban.

P

sweetie00
by on Jun. 19, 2009 at 8:19 PM


Quoting norwegianwood:


Quoting tericared:

 Officials have already said some mistakes were made and that procedures were not strictly followed in the operation, media reports said.

 

In one incident, an Air Force B-1 dropped a 900kg bomb on a building that Taliban fighters had been seen entering, officials say.

Some military officials have questioned whether that bomb was larger and more destructive than warranted, the Associated Press reported.

Wow can you say some one messed up big time,,,,

Yep..difference is in our system there will be an investigation, the person will be penalized, and steps will be taken to try to shield against further mistakes. Not so with the Taliban.

P


except in this case, of course. Oh, and no charges for Iraqi war criminals, either. So not seeing a difference between us and the Taliban in those cases..........confused

ddbz
by Silver Member on Jun. 19, 2009 at 10:13 PM

We killed 4,000 U.S. soldiers over some bad information ... 

tericared
by on Jun. 19, 2009 at 10:23 PM


Quoting norwegianwood:


Quoting tericared:

 Officials have already said some mistakes were made and that procedures were not strictly followed in the operation, media reports said.

 

In one incident, an Air Force B-1 dropped a 900kg bomb on a building that Taliban fighters had been seen entering, officials say.

Some military officials have questioned whether that bomb was larger and more destructive than warranted, the Associated Press reported.

Wow can you say some one messed up big time,,,,

Yep..difference is in our system there will be an investigation, the person will be penalized, and steps will be taken to try to shield against further mistakes. Not so with the Taliban.

P


Sure maybe in your mind. We screw up all of the time and if it isnt covered up no one really get into trouble.....

Gypsyuma
by Gold Member on Jun. 20, 2009 at 1:27 AM


Quoting norwegianwood:


Quoting tericared:

 Officials have already said some mistakes were made and that procedures were not strictly followed in the operation, media reports said.

 

In one incident, an Air Force B-1 dropped a 900kg bomb on a building that Taliban fighters had been seen entering, officials say.

Some military officials have questioned whether that bomb was larger and more destructive than warranted, the Associated Press reported.

Wow can you say some one messed up big time,,,,

Yep..difference is in our system there will be an investigation, the person will be penalized, and steps will be taken to try to shield against further mistakes. Not so with the Taliban.

P

DID SOMEONE NOT READ THE ARTICLE?

That is really annoying.


 

Gypsyuma
by Gold Member on Jun. 20, 2009 at 1:30 AM

The title of the article is

NO US CHARGES OVER AFGHAN RAID

and it goes on to say that according to the report the bomb droppers screwed up royally, but noone is in any trouble over it.  Even though at least 97 civilians died......

I am having deja vu - how about you Terica?


 

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