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This should be of concern to the Christians...its not only about Muslims
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on Jun. 28, 2009 at 8:12 PM
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Israeli authorities threaten demolition of 500 church buildings in Jerusalem
The Greek Orthodox and Catholic churches in Jerusalem released a statement Saturday that the Israeli authorities have threatened to force the demolition of 500 buildings owned by the churches in the Old City of Jerusalem.
Israeli forces have recently stepped up demolitions in the Old City of Jerusalem, in accordance with the Municipality's published E1 plan for the city, in which officials articulate a detailed plan to push out the Palestinian Christian and Muslim populations, while simultaneously increasing construction of Jewish-only homes and housing developments.
The church buildings in question are mainly homes owned by the church and leased to Palestinian Christian priests, nuns and families. Israeli authorities claim that renovations were done on these buildings without permits, but failed to acknowledge the lack of a permitting process for the Church to obtain the necessary permits.
In addition, many of the supposed 'renovations' listed on the demolition orders are questionable, such as one that lists a 50-square meter apartment as an 'addition' to the home of Bassam Ayyash, but in fact Ayyash's entire home is the 50-square meter apartment. Ayyash has been trying to get Israeli officials to investigate this alleged violation, but they have thus far refused.
In another example mentioned in the church statement, renter Sami Wakileh tried to go through the process to obtain a permit for a small renovation on his home. He was told by the Israeli judge, “It is a waste of your time. Do not dream of receiving any permit…”.
He tried to obtain the permit and failed, but, given the historic antiquity of his church-owned home, he had to do renovations in order to keep the home from falling down. He ended up spending over $100,000 on renovations. Now, due to the Israeli demolition orders, the whole house will end up demolished by an Israeli bulldozer.
Dozens, if not hundreds, of church-owned buildings were seized by Israeli forces during the 1948 takeover of Palestine for the creation of the state of Israel, and again during the 1967 War of aggression by Israel. These buildings were taken over by the Jewish National Fund, which owns more than 90% of the land inside what is now Israel, and rented to Jews who immigrated to Israel.
Now, Israeli forces have again declared their intent for a large-scale demolition of church-owned buildings in Jerusalem.
One church official blamed the Israeli authorities for making it increasingly difficult for the churches to obtain building permits. Both the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate and the Catholic Franciscan Custody of the Holy Land, church administrative bodies for the two main Christian branches, have received the demolition orders totalling 500 buildings.
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- by on Jun. 30, 2009 at 12:12 PM
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Quoting Talee:
Thank you for sharing the pics RealPatientMama...
I think it's important for Americans to see what is really going on there instead of getting info thru the news.
Do you have family there?
Your Welcome! My Husband does....lots and lots of family. LOL Hard to see everyone and I need them to wear name tags. It is really sad talking to them...they don't want to talk about the situation for fear they will be the next ones to lose their house. The house I visited in the Old City of Jerusalem has a surveillance camera right outside their door. Sad.
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- by on Jun. 30, 2009 at 1:25 PM
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Quoting realPatientMama:
Quoting Talee:
Thank you for sharing the pics RealPatientMama...
I think it's important for Americans to see what is really going on there instead of getting info thru the news.
Do you have family there?
Your Welcome! My Husband does....lots and lots of family. LOL Hard to see everyone and I need them to wear name tags. It is really sad talking to them...they don't want to talk about the situation for fear they will be the next ones to lose their house. The house I visited in the Old City of Jerusalem has a surveillance camera right outside their door. Sad.
I am so sorry, that is no way to live. I hope the best for them and that someday all of this will be fixed and everyone will be content.
We are so lucky here in the US (for now anyway, lol) I can't imagine being in the shoes of some people in the middle east...
We had a very large house after my parents divorced, my mom worked in the international student office at a college and we rented out 3 rooms to students from all over. Several of them were from the middle east and also from countries where there were problems, social unrest or whatever. (this was in the 80s) We had a guy from Lebanon whose home was bombed (thankfully nobody was home)...another guy who had post traumatic stress syndrome...a plane would pass over the house and he would jump and get nervous....another guy from Africa who was muslim and i cant remember what had happened there at the time but he was also mentally affected by whatever was going on at the time.
My family is still in contact with the guy from lebanon...I remember a few years back they were evacuating the town he was living in and he had to send his pregnant wife ahead of him...
Seriously....I cannot imagine living like this. It reminds me to be thankful and grateful....and to count my blessings.
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- by on Jul. 1, 2009 at 12:17 AM
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Quoting Goodwoman614:
O.K, I'll say it, then: not all ppl accept or acknowledge that the Jewish ppl are the "chosen ones" of God.
And that includes ppl of many different faiths, too.
This always bothered me, ever since I was a kid. It is just like a kid at a playground who says, "nyah, nyah...I'm better than yoooouu!"
Basic psychology of it is this: whenever ppl set themselves up as better than other ppl...therein lies the beginning step toward those better thans mistreating ppl who they (by definition of their beliefs) see as being less thans.
I will never recognize any person or group of ppl as being somehow better than another person or group of ppl. It's religion that does that, and it never ends well.
Your statement wreaks of ignorance ... the Jews never set themselves up as better than anyone else ... God did that. If you don't like it, then take it up with God - leave the Jews alone.
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- by on Jul. 1, 2009 at 12:27 AM
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Quoting Eilish:
Quoting Goodwoman614:
O.K, I'll say it, then: not all ppl accept or acknowledge that the Jewish ppl are the "chosen ones" of God.
And that includes ppl of many different faiths, too.
This always bothered me, ever since I was a kid. It is just like a kid at a playground who says, "nyah, nyah...I'm better than yoooouu!"
Basic psychology of it is this: whenever ppl set themselves up as better than other ppl...therein lies the beginning step toward those better thans mistreating ppl who they (by definition of their beliefs) see as being less thans.
I will never recognize any person or group of ppl as being somehow better than another person or group of ppl. It's religion that does that, and it never ends well.
Your statement wreaks of ignorance bwahahahahahaha! Oooohh the irony... And the point of my comment? Yup, compeeetly lost ... the Jews never set themselves up as better than anyone else ... God did that. If you don't like it, then take it up with God - leave the Jews alone.
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- by on Jul. 1, 2009 at 12:39 AM
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Quoting Eilish:
Quoting Goodwoman614:
O.K, I'll say it, then: not all ppl accept or acknowledge that the Jewish ppl are the "chosen ones" of God.
And that includes ppl of many different faiths, too.
This always bothered me, ever since I was a kid. It is just like a kid at a playground who says, "nyah, nyah...I'm better than yoooouu!"
Basic psychology of it is this: whenever ppl set themselves up as better than other ppl...therein lies the beginning step toward those better thans mistreating ppl who they (by definition of their beliefs) see as being less thans.
I will never recognize any person or group of ppl as being somehow better than another person or group of ppl. It's religion that does that, and it never ends well.
Your statement wreaks of ignorance ... the Jews never set themselves up as better than anyone else ... God did that. If you don't like it, then take it up with God - leave the Jews alone.
Very good point Eilish......
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- by on Jul. 1, 2009 at 12:51 AM
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Quoting blondekosmic15:
Quoting Eilish:
Quoting Goodwoman614:
O.K, I'll say it, then: not all ppl accept or acknowledge that the Jewish ppl are the "chosen ones" of God.
And that includes ppl of many different faiths, too.
This always bothered me, ever since I was a kid. It is just like a kid at a playground who says, "nyah, nyah...I'm better than yoooouu!"
Basic psychology of it is this: whenever ppl set themselves up as better than other ppl...therein lies the beginning step toward those better thans mistreating ppl who they (by definition of their beliefs) see as being less thans.
I will never recognize any person or group of ppl as being somehow better than another person or group of ppl. It's religion that does that, and it never ends well.
Your statement wreaks of ignorance ... the Jews never set themselves up as better than anyone else ... God did that. If you don't like it, then take it up with God - leave the Jews alone.
Very good point Eilish......How do both of you feel about the post? About how Christians homes are being destroyed?
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- by on Jul. 1, 2009 at 12:51 AM
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Quoting greenlover:
Quoting Gypsyuma:
Pretty pathetic..... how the evangelical Christians donate money and do everything possible to help the Zionists, who obviously have NO RESPECT for Christians when they are bulldozing the priests homes.
This comment is absurd! You are generalizing here seemingly due to your despise for the Jews. I am in no way condoning the actions of some but to label all of them in the manner you have is biased & untrue! It would give more credence to your beliefs if you would post these same condemnations for the violent actions of the Palestinian terrorists toward innocent Jews....
Are the Zionists still the "CHOSEN ONES"?
You are playing God here....
The Jewish people will always be the ones chosen by God. Yes, this is Scripturally based thru out the Old n' New Testaments! However, we need to remember that they are human. Exactly...every religion or race has members who fall short of the grace of Almighty God. The weakness of human nature. They have always rebelled against God (Old testament scripture shows this) and have not always followed his laws and commandments. That does not make them any less chosen by God, only human. Agree... That being said, please do not think I am saying that what they are doing is right. I am not saying that at all. I do not agree with everything they are doing. I just think we need to be aware that just because they are chosen of God does not mean that everything they do is what God would want them to do. We are all sinners!
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- by on Jul. 1, 2009 at 12:53 AM
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Quoting blondekosmic15:
Quoting greenlover:
Quoting Gypsyuma:
Pretty pathetic..... how the evangelical Christians donate money and do everything possible to help the Zionists, who obviously have NO RESPECT for Christians when they are bulldozing the priests homes.
This comment is absurd! You are generalizing here seemingly due to your despise for the Jews. I am in no way condoning the actions of some but to label all of them in the manner you have is biased & untrue! It would give more credence to your beliefs if you would post these same condemnations for the violent actions of the Palestinian terrorists toward innocent Jews....
Are the Zionists still the "CHOSEN ONES"?
You are playing God here....
The Jewish people will always be the ones chosen by God. Yes, this is Scripturally based thru out the Old n' New Testaments! However, we need to remember that they are human. Exactly...every religion or race have members who fall short of the grace of Almighty God. The weakness of the human nature. They have always rebelled against God (Old testament scripture shows this) and have not always followed his laws and commandments. That does not make them any less chosen by God, only human. Agree... That being said, please do not think I am saying that what they are doing is right. I am not saying that at all. I do not agree with everything they are doing. I just think we need to be aware that just because they are chosen of God does not mean that everything they do is what God would want them to do. We are all sinners!
ok but what about the post?
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- by on Jul. 1, 2009 at 12:55 AM
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Quoting tericared:
Quoting blondekosmic15:
Quoting Eilish:
Quoting Goodwoman614:
O.K, I'll say it, then: not all ppl accept or acknowledge that the Jewish ppl are the "chosen ones" of God.
And that includes ppl of many different faiths, too.
This always bothered me, ever since I was a kid. It is just like a kid at a playground who says, "nyah, nyah...I'm better than yoooouu!"
Basic psychology of it is this: whenever ppl set themselves up as better than other ppl...therein lies the beginning step toward those better thans mistreating ppl who they (by definition of their beliefs) see as being less thans.
I will never recognize any person or group of ppl as being somehow better than another person or group of ppl. It's religion that does that, and it never ends well.
Your statement wreaks of ignorance ... the Jews never set themselves up as better than anyone else ... God did that. If you don't like it, then take it up with God - leave the Jews alone.
Very good point Eilish......How do both of you feel about the post? About how Christians homes are being destroyed?
Terica ... you should already know my opinon of Israel attacking Christians. My opinion has remained consistant.
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- by on Jul. 1, 2009 at 12:57 AM
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Quoting Eilish:
Quoting tericared:
Quoting blondekosmic15:
Quoting Eilish:
Quoting Goodwoman614:
O.K, I'll say it, then: not all ppl accept or acknowledge that the Jewish ppl are the "chosen ones" of God.
And that includes ppl of many different faiths, too.
This always bothered me, ever since I was a kid. It is just like a kid at a playground who says, "nyah, nyah...I'm better than yoooouu!"
Basic psychology of it is this: whenever ppl set themselves up as better than other ppl...therein lies the beginning step toward those better thans mistreating ppl who they (by definition of their beliefs) see as being less thans.
I will never recognize any person or group of ppl as being somehow better than another person or group of ppl. It's religion that does that, and it never ends well.
Your statement wreaks of ignorance ... the Jews never set themselves up as better than anyone else ... God did that. If you don't like it, then take it up with God - leave the Jews alone.
Very good point Eilish......How do both of you feel about the post? About how Christians homes are being destroyed?
Terica ... you should already know my opinon of Israel attacking Christians. My opinion has remained consistant.
Sorry...it is at times hard to keep every one straight on all of the topics posted here,,,
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