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tericared

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on Jul. 2, 2009 at 9:36 PM

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On CODEPINK's most recent trip to Gaza, the glimmer of hope we found among people in Gaza was the Obama administration. Many were upset that Obama did not speak out during the invasion and that peace envoy George Mitchell, on his first trip to the Middle East, did not visit Gaza or even Syria. But they felt that Mitchell was a good choice and Obama, if given the space by the American people, could play a positive role. Who can provide that space for Obama? Who can respond to the call for justice from the Palestinian people? Who can counter AIPAC, the powerful lobby that supports Israeli aggression? An organized, mobilized, coordinated grassroots movement is the critical counterforce— and we need you to stand with us and do your part for peace!

As Sholom Schwartzbard, a member of Jews Against the Occupation, explained at a New York City protest, “We know from our own history what being sealed behind barbed wire and checkpoints is like, and we know that ‘Never Again’ means not anyone, not anywhere - or it means nothing at all.” A peaceful and just resolution of the tragedy of occupation, now in its 42nd year, will be a relief and blessing to Israel as well as to the Palestinians.

http://www.womensaynotowar.org/article.php?list=type&type=399

Written by on Jul. 2, 2009 at 9:36 PM

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  • Raintree
  • by on Jul. 3, 2009 at 7:11 PM
  • Well, you mentioned the underlined without ANY mentioning specific cases. Once more, it sounds like a great generalization.

    As far as 'faith' and 'belief'- how about just saying we support the troops in their well-being? Why the need to uplift the 'job' when it isn't functioning in a way we can support? I'm sorry, I come from a heavily military family, but I didn't support the Iraq war. Rationality took hold and some of us saw the light. 

    Quoting resamerie:


    Quoting Raintree:


    Quoting resamerie:


    Thank you. I have heard of many brave men and women that enlisted AFTER the war started because they wanted to help in the war. If some don't support in what they believe in, how can they say they support the troops. Or do they just support the pansies that joined pre-war for the soul reason of benefits such as a college education, that are now crying 'foul' because they actually have to earn it now. If people have faith, belief, and support our troops then they need to have faith, belief, and support for what they're fighting for.

    I think it's weird that you say you must have faith and belief in the troops. Very... religious in tone. And we absolutely do NOT have to support what they're fighting for, if what they're fighting 'for' is wrong. Doesn't mean any of us WANT our troops to be hurt or killed. In fact, we really want them HOME where they won't face any of that.

    Also, why on earth would you call ANY of these troops 'pansies'? What the hell?

    It was not meant to be religious in tone, why, is that a problem? Faith and belief in THEM that they will achieve the goals they are working so hard to achieve. But even if it was a religious statement, why would you have such a problem with it? Can people not pray for our troops?

      As far as the pansy remark, I think I mentioned the ones that are crying and going AWOL that don't want to do the job they signed up to do. Or am I going to get a lecture about how the recruiters lied to them. 

     I reiterate, I don't know how I can make myself clearer, I know 2 people that joined AFTER this war started JUST TO FIGHT THIS WAR BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN IT. So if you don't believe in this war, then you don't believe in them. I'm sure they would be very thankful that they joined AFTER it started just to have people like you that they are risking their lives for put down the very cause that they joined for. GET IT NOW??? 


    Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. - Michael Pollan

    And while you're at it, remember that when you purchase food, you're voting with your dollar. Local farms, diversity, sustainability- all these should be positively answered by your vote. 


  • mrs_khan07
  • by on Jul. 3, 2009 at 8:55 PM
  • Can someone please explain to me what it means to be patriotic? I think I'm starting to get the gist of it but I still just don't get it in general.

    1. You don't have to support the President of the United States, but you MUST support his wars. Even though you hate the president, you MUST trust him completely with the lives of your husbands, brothers, sisters, etc that he sends overseas to fight a war you know absolutely nothing about.

    2. Even though our forefathers wanted us protest that which we deemed "unjust" in order to preserve in the Constitution those three little words, "WE THE PEOPLE..." it is actually un-patriotic to do so, unless you are protesting the chief representation of the nation.

    3. You Must uphold every intention of our forefathers, religious or otherwise, except the one about protesting. (See #2)

    4. If you don't support the war, you don't support the country.


    Does anyone else see the irony in this? I see the same people doing this. Those who hate our president are the same ones saying you must support the war.

    The question in this post seems to be, "Can you support the troops but not the war?" The real question should be "Can you support the country but not the president?" Keep in mind here folks, this is a democracy. We voted for this guy. Maybe you didn't personally, but your fellow-Americans did. So, you support America, but not the Americans who voted for Obama right? So can you really say you are in full support of the US?

    I consider myself very patriotic, I hate this war. I am exercising my rights by doing so. But I'm sure I am more patriotic than those who frantically skim the news each morning for a little tidbit of how Obama messed up again. Don't get me wrong, I hated Bush. But I, as well as many, many, many other Americans and people from around the world, had many reasons to. What concrete reason is there to hate Obama? I understand not getting your hopes up, and I understand feeling a little discouraged, but to hate him and wait for him to fail? Is that patriotic? This is where I get confused. Someone please help me see the light!


    Mrs. Khan

  • tericared
  • by on Jul. 3, 2009 at 9:02 PM

  • Quoting copperpenny1954:


    Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

     

    Quoting Gypsyuma:

    Never Again’ means not anyone, not anywhere - or it means nothing at all.

    I LIKE THAT!!!

    I actually met alot of those CODEPINK ladies when I went to D.C.  What an awesome and dedicated group.

    Really?  I wish I could meet them then...  The only ones I have met were defacing the Marine Corps recruiting station where I live and throwing things at my husband as he tried to go to work.  They hold protests outside of my local base and all military functions yelling that my husband and his friends are monsters, murderers, and deserve to die.  
    Awesome people?  I don't think so.  They make me sick.

    The ONLY reason they even have a right to bitch and moan and abuse my family and friends is BECAUSE of my husband and those who have died defending their rights...

    Please tell your husband Thank you from one very proud American. Thank him for all the holidays he has missed away from his family. Birthdays of his children where he had to work and ws not able to attend. Thank him for doing a job that is a very thankless job at times. Thank him for his courage, sense of duty, honor and all things gthat go into making a good solider. And while we're at it, a big THANK YOU to you as well. It is not only the tropps that serve us, but their family.

    I think I'll ignore these silly posts by our little pro muslim, anti American group members from now on...they're aren't worth the dust on my feet.

     

    bow down

    Dont like my post? Fine dont open them....I would rather you didnt really, and bring your bigoted hateful attitude to post that are filled with the truth.......I hope you can keep your word...

  • tericared
  • by on Jul. 3, 2009 at 9:03 PM

  • Quoting conniecabe:

     

    Quoting copperpenny1954:


    I think I'll ignore these silly posts by our little pro muslim, anti American group members from now on...they're aren't worth the dust on my feet.


     

    I think everyone here appreciates what our service men & women are doing to protect America.  It is possible to support these men & women and not support their mission.

    Your comments about the OP are vile.  Terica is an American, she may be a Muslim- American, but she is still an American. To call her un-American is just plain ignorant.

    One day, I hope your patriotism is questioned because of your religion in the same mean-spirited manner you have demonstrated today.

    You are free to respond to or ignore any post you wish...but your comments are despicable and aren't worth the dust on Tericared's feet or mine for that matter.


    thanks

  • stormcris
  • by on Jul. 3, 2009 at 9:09 PM
  • According to what I am seeing in the other post yes yes they are apparently.

    slapping forehead

    Quoting tericared:

    So people who on a daily basses bash Obama are anti-American also? 


  • tericared
  • by on Jul. 3, 2009 at 9:38 PM

  • Quoting copperpenny1954:


    Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

     

    Quoting Gypsyuma:

    Never Again’ means not anyone, not anywhere - or it means nothing at all.

    I LIKE THAT!!!

    I actually met alot of those CODEPINK ladies when I went to D.C.  What an awesome and dedicated group.

    Really?  I wish I could meet them then...  The only ones I have met were defacing the Marine Corps recruiting station where I live and throwing things at my husband as he tried to go to work.  They hold protests outside of my local base and all military functions yelling that my husband and his friends are monsters, murderers, and deserve to die.  
    Awesome people?  I don't think so.  They make me sick.

    The ONLY reason they even have a right to bitch and moan and abuse my family and friends is BECAUSE of my husband and those who have died defending their rights...

    Please tell your husband Thank you from one very proud American. Thank him for all the holidays he has missed away from his family. Birthdays of his children where he had to work and ws not able to attend. Thank him for doing a job that is a very thankless job at times. Thank him for his courage, sense of duty, honor and all things gthat go into making a good solider. And while we're at it, a big THANK YOU to you as well. It is not only the tropps that serve us, but their family.

    I think I'll ignore these silly posts by our little pro muslim, anti American group members from now on...they're aren't worth the dust on my feet.

     

    bow down

    Arent you a piece of work? Pretending to be our friends, asking Muslim Moms on this site to add you to our friends list, joining our groups  and then bashing us and treating us like scum...You my dear are very hateful and deceitful...

  • resamerie
  • by on Jul. 3, 2009 at 9:51 PM
  •  Can you support the country but not the president?" Keep in mind here folks, this is a democracy. We voted for this guy. Maybe you didn't personally, but your fellow-Americans did

    And are you aware of how many of our troops absentee votes were not delivered in time to count? Six million American citizens abroad were qualified to vote in the 2008 Presidential election. It is estimated that one-fourth of all military votes were not counted. At least, 98,000 lost military ballots were mailed back to the U.S. but not counted.

    http://military.rightpundits.com/2009/05/13/military-votes-not-counted-98000-lost-military-ballots/

    I wonder how many of ACORN's illegal votes WERE counted in comparison.





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  • resamerie
  • by on Jul. 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM

  • Quoting resamerie:

     Can you support the country but not the president?" Keep in mind here folks, this is a democracy. We voted for this guy. Maybe you didn't personally, but your fellow-Americans did

    And are you aware of how many of our troops absentee votes were not delivered in time to count? Six million American citizens abroad were qualified to vote in the 2008 Presidential election. It is estimated that one-fourth of all military votes were not counted. At least, 98,000 lost military ballots were mailed back to the U.S. but not counted.

    http://military.rightpundits.com/2009/05/13/military-votes-not-counted-98000-lost-military-ballots/

    I wonder how many of ACORN's illegal votes WERE counted in comparison.

    Just wanted to add that it's a sad day that the very people that are putting their lives on the line to protect our country lost their voice in this election.





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  • mrs_khan07
  • by on Jul. 3, 2009 at 9:56 PM

  • Quoting resamerie:

     Can you support the country but not the president?" Keep in mind here folks, this is a democracy. We voted for this guy. Maybe you didn't personally, but your fellow-Americans did

    And are you aware of how many of our troops absentee votes were not delivered in time to count? Six million American citizens abroad were qualified to vote in the 2008 Presidential election. It is estimated that one-fourth of all military votes were not counted. At least, 98,000 lost military ballots were mailed back to the U.S. but not counted.

    http://military.rightpundits.com/2009/05/13/military-votes-not-counted-98000-lost-military-ballots/

    I wonder how many of ACORN's illegal votes WERE counted in comparison.

    So then why is no one demanding a recount? Everyone was in an uproar about Iran's elections but no one cares about our own? That doesn't make sense to me.

    Mrs. Khan

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