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Biden, Israel and Iran

Posted by on Jul. 7, 2009 at 3:16 PM
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Gary Leupp
Counterpunch
July 7, 2009


Vice President Joe Biden, apparently speaking on behalf of the Obama administration, has just given Israel the green light to bomb Iran.

“Israel can determine for itself — it’s a sovereign nation — what’s in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and anyone else,” he told ABC’s “This Week” in an interview broadcast Sunday. “Whether we agree or not, they’re entitled to do that. Any sovereign nation is entitled to do that. But there is no pressure from any nation that’s going to alter our behavior as to how to proceed. If the Netanyahu government decides to take a course of action different than the one being pursued now, that is their sovereign right to do that. That is not our choice,” he declared.

The statement is presented in logically abstract terms. Any sovereign nation is entitled to do what’s in its interest regardless of what “we” think, surely. How very reasonable—magnanimous, even, coming from the mouth of the vice-president of the superpower that’s in the last eight years brutally imposed its will on two sizable Southwest Asian countries.
But to test Biden’s universalist logic imagine yourself in 1939, substitute Germany for Israel and Poland for Iran and ask whether “any sovereign nation is” really “entitled to do that.”
Of course Israel doesn’t have any “sovereign right” to attack Iran! And Biden’s implied distaste for the attack (“That is not our choice”), which may presage a calculated distancing from an action in the future, doesn’t undo the fact that he explicitly validates such action here.They’re entitled to do it, says Joe. Just as presumably they’re entitled to remain outside the nuclear nonproliferation treaty regime, and produce and stockpile the only nuclear weapons in the Middle East, while claiming that the Iranian nuclear program (begun under U.S.

encouragement under the Shah) can only have military intentions and can only be designed to produced a “nuclear Holocaust” to destroy the Jews.

Just as presumably they’re entitled to deploy vast resources to pressure the U.S. government to bomb Iran for them. (But no worry about the impact on U.S. foreign policy. “There is no pressure,” says Joe, “from any nation that’s going to alter our behavior as to how to proceed.” What he really means is: There’s actually a whole shitload of pressure from Israel on us to bomb Iran. But we might not do that. Because Obama thinks that the Israeli-demanded attack on Iran, like the assault on Iraq, might be a “strategic blunder.”)

One could argue, of course, that in positing Netanyahu’s “sovereign right” to bomb Iran, a nation which has not attacked another in modern times, Biden is just shooting off his famous mouth again. But there are at least two reasons his comments should be taken very seriously.

First of all, there is obviously much conflict within the U.S. power structure over the wisdom of a U.S. attack on Iran. The Israel Lobby demanding one may have suffered a defeat at the hands of the Pentagon, which sees such an attack as complicating the imbroglios it faces in Iraq and Afghanistan (and down the road in Pakistan?), and the intelligence community which knows that Iran does not possess a nuclear weapons program threatening the world.

Secondly, the state of Israel continues to depict the Islamic Republic of Iran as an “existential” threat to itself, while threatening to attack it with missiles if the U.S. does not do so. The Bush administration always endorsed Israel’s vilification campaign and conceded the possibility that it might act “on its own” (as though it could really do so without a green light from Washington). Dick Cheney told Don Imus on MSNBC in January 2005 that “Given the fact that Iran has a stated policy that their objective is the destruction of Israel [sic (disinformation)], the Israelis might well decide to act first, and let the rest of the world worry about cleaning up the diplomatic mess afterwards.” He implied that if the U.S. didn’t take action, the Israelis would be justified in doing so.

This remains the U.S. position under the Obama administration. And having decided for geopolitical reasons to adopt a tougher line on Israel’s illegal settlements on the West Bank, Washington is perhaps particularly disinclined to deter Israel should it opt to create the mess of which Cheney spoke. “That was not our choice,” it will say.


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by on Jul. 7, 2009 at 3:16 PM
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SophiaofLight
by Member on Jul. 7, 2009 at 7:36 PM

Obama retracted the statement this morning and says he does not support Israel doing anything to Iran. But I figure they are their own country and if they don't feel safe with Iran having nukes then it their own business what they decide to do, not our President's.  

tericared
by on Jul. 7, 2009 at 9:58 PM

 "Of course Israel doesn’t have any “sovereign right” to attack Iran! And Biden’s implied distaste for the attack (“That is not our choice”), which may presage a calculated distancing from an action in the future, doesn’t undo the fact that he explicitly validates such action here.They’re entitled to do it, says Joe. Just as presumably they’re entitled to remain outside the nuclear nonproliferation treaty regime, and produce and stockpile the only nuclear weapons in the Middle East, while claiming that the Iranian nuclear program (begun under U.S. encouragement under the Shah) can only have military intentions and can only be designed to produced a “nuclear Holocaust” to destroy the Jews."

muslimah
by on Jul. 7, 2009 at 10:02 PM

 

Quoting iluvmommyhood58:

Gary Leupp
Counterpunch
July 7, 2009

 


Vice President Joe Biden, apparently speaking on behalf of the Obama administration, has just given Israel the green light to bomb Iran.

 

he told ABC’s “This Week” in an interview broadcast Sunday. “Whether we agree or not, they’re entitled to do that. Any sovereign nation is entitled to do that.  

Ok then why is it again that Iran and N. Korea can't have nukes?

 Aren't they sovereign nations ?

MrsRStewart
by Bronze Member on Jul. 7, 2009 at 10:06 PM

Well, Biden is right.  The US has no right to tell Israel what it can or cannot do.  We do not control Israel just like they can not tell the US what to do.  President Obama can tell them we do not condone their actions, but we do not have any control over their government.

Also, it seems that Obama is always retracting what Biden says.  Does Biden not know what the policy is?  Or does he not agree with Obama?  Does Obama change policies from day to day?

What happened to staying out of other countries problems?  Isn't that what Obama said when Iran is killing people in the streets for wanting democracy?  That we shouldn't get involved?  Now we should get involved when it comes to telling Israel what to do?  So, we shouldn't tell Iran we don't condone killing people in the street for wanting to vote for democracy.  But we should try to control Israel, even though they are a sovereign nation.  Which is it?


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tericared
by on Jul. 7, 2009 at 10:14 PM


Quoting MrsRStewart:

Well, Biden is right.  The US has no right to tell Israel what it can or cannot do.  We do not control Israel just like they can not tell the US what to do.  President Obama can tell them we do not condone their actions, but we do not have any control over their government.

Also, it seems that Obama is always retracting what Biden says.  Does Biden not know what the policy is?  Or does he not agree with Obama?  Does Obama change policies from day to day?

What happened to staying out of other countries problems?  Isn't that what Obama said when Iran is killing people in the streets for wanting democracy?  That we shouldn't get involved?  Now we should get involved when it comes to telling Israel what to do?  So, we shouldn't tell Iran we don't condone killing people in the street for wanting to vote for democracy.  But we should try to control Israel, even though they are a sovereign nation.  Which is it?

So it is OK to tell Iran what they can or cant do concerning nukes,,,but cant say anything to Israel?

rocklovinggirl
by Bronze Member on Jul. 7, 2009 at 10:43 PM

I agree with you!

Quoting MrsRStewart:

Well, Biden is right.  The US has no right to tell Israel what it can or cannot do.  We do not control Israel just like they can not tell the US what to do.  President Obama can tell them we do not condone their actions, but we do not have any control over their government.

Also, it seems that Obama is always retracting what Biden says.  Does Biden not know what the policy is?  Or does he not agree with Obama?  Does Obama change policies from day to day?

What happened to staying out of other countries problems?  Isn't that what Obama said when Iran is killing people in the streets for wanting democracy?  That we shouldn't get involved?  Now we should get involved when it comes to telling Israel what to do?  So, we shouldn't tell Iran we don't condone killing people in the street for wanting to vote for democracy.  But we should try to control Israel, even though they are a sovereign nation.  Which is it?


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