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'The sons of light' against 'The sons of darkness.' Israel's HOLY WAR

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Below is first hand testimony by an IDF soldier about their recent HOLY WAR in Gaza:

We were in Tze'elim and began maneuvers to prepare for our entry into the

Gaza Strip. We were actually going through various exercises for our specific

assignments. In this framework, regarding what we're talking about – the army

rabbinate – two things happened in our contact with them at the time. The

first was the distribution of pamphlets, an indirect sort of contact. It's the kind

of pamphlet that is distributed in military synagogues, or pages of the weekly

reading that is also distributed at military synagogues, containing rather explicit

political contents. Like writing, for example, that the Palestinians are like the

Philistines of old, newcomers who do not belong in the land, aliens planted on

our soil which should clearly return to us. There were also these acronyms of the

name of the Jewish settlement Netzarim that should be rebuilt.

What were these pages, exactly?

There are flyers containing the weekly religious reading that are very similar to

all kinds of military pamphlets you see in the synagogues, but they have the IDF

stamp on them and that of the military rabbinate. In the military rabbinate there

is a department called 'Jewish Awareness for a Winning IDF' which is in fact the

department in charge of motivation issues and solving problems of morality and

fighting and the like, for soldiers.

What problem did you have with that?

Personally, I think that as a citizen of a democratic state what bothers me is

actually the distribution of political pamphlets with the stamp of the IDF on them

– a body that is supposed to be apolitical. I think there is no room for political

views in the army, regardless of whether I agree with them or not. I think they are

out of place in an army framework. There's no way a battalion commander can

come to his soldiers and say: we now have to go back and resettle Netzarim.

That is our mission. This is what we should do, rebuild Netzarim. Clearly, a

battalion commander who would say this would at least be reprimanded, and he

is likely to be penalized even more severely. And here an official institution tightly

connected to the army, acting in the name of the army, comes and disseminates

the same messages, and no one says anything. This is what bothers me here.

…The second thing, the more immediate measure we witnessed about this was

when we were training at one of the Tze'elim zones. We had just concluded an

exercise and we were preparing for the next one, and then this Army Rabbinate

officer came along with his ranks, uniform and all, and asked us if we were

willing to listen to a rabbi who was with him, in civilian dress. We agreed. Up

came a man who introduced himself as Rabbi Chen, that was his name, who

came as a civilian to speak to us. The whole talk was presented in points: the

first point throughout his speech – later you see it in the pamphlets as well – is

the sanctity of the People of Israel. He put it this way: he said that while going in

there, we should know there is no accounting for sins in this case. The meaning

of this, I'm getting into some interpretation here which is inevitable, otherwise

one does not realize how problematic such a statement is. When a rabbi says

'there's no accounting,' the meaning is that when a person enters a zone that is

naturally very dangerous and everyone is afraid to enter and no one knows what

will happen, what the future has in store for us, of course there are fears. Such

fears are intensified by each person's own past and deeds he must confront, and

naturally there is always that primal fear that this is the place where all my sins

will be paid for. So in view of this, that rabbi up and says: don't worry – there's

no accountability. On the most basic level this is how I understand his meaning.

I don't see any other way to interpret it. Furthermore, this statement contains

a statement about the future: if there really is no accountability for what I have

done in the past, then naturally there is none for what I am about to do in the

immediate or distant future. In other words, we should know that whatever we

do is fine.

Was there any mention of the Palestinians? What did he say about them?

Another point that came up was when that rabbi said we are actually conducting

the war of 'the sons of light' against 'the sons of darkness.' This is in fact a

statement with highly messianic language. This is war that prepares the way for

final redemption. This is outrageous in itself. Again, we witness a language that

is not acceptable to all present, definitely a legitimate view and as such I have

no problem with it. But it must not receive any kind of official stamp, it must not

be used within any military framework. It is just like a political view. But the more

disturbing point even, than this theological point, is its demonization of the other

side[Sounds vaguely familiar, doesn't it?] It turns the other side as a generality into

'sons of darkness' while we become

'sons of light.' There is no differentiation which we

would expect to find between civilians and others. Namely, here is one people fighting

another people, with all the messianic implications. But that's the point: this is also

religious propaganda. In other words, the army is not a revival meeting. This is not the

reason people enlist. They do not put on a uniform in order to be Judaized and be reborn

 in the faith.


 

by on Jul. 16, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Replies (21-28):
blondekosmic15
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by on Jul. 18, 2009 at 4:49 AM


Quoting MemawBrie:


Quoting Gypsyuma:

So IDF soldiers giving testimony as to things they disagreed with during Operation Cast Lead is a crock?

So you have any basis for this claim?  An intelligent one that includes sentences maybe?

My "sources" are eye witnesses who lived in that hell hole.


Hamas could pound down her front door & murder a family member & she still would deny they are brutal killers! The blindness here is mindboggling, Brie~

MemawBrie
by on Jul. 18, 2009 at 4:49 AM


Quoting Gypsyuma:

 

Quoting MemawBrie:


Quoting Gypsyuma:

So IDF soldiers giving testimony as to things they disagreed with during Operation Cast Lead is a crock?

So you have any basis for this claim?  An intelligent one that includes sentences maybe?

My "sources" are eye witnesses who lived in that hell hole.

And so are the IDF soldiers giving their EYE WITNESS TESTIMONY.

YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ IT, DID YOU???

You have no clue what the report is about, do you?

I really despise thread trolls that don't even read before making their LAME ASS comments.

Oh, I read it alright, and so did my friend.  It's nothing more than the same crap that's been being spread in an attempt to make Israel look like the aggressors and bad guys.  You just refuse to admit that if the terrorists you so love and support were not so full of hatred for Israel there wouldn't even be a conflict going on in the first place.  I despise ignorance and people who lie.

 




 




I may not know what my future holds, but, I do know
                               the One who holds my future ♥
JESUS

blondekosmic15
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Today at 2:17 PM
by on Jul. 18, 2009 at 4:52 AM


Quoting MemawBrie:


Quoting Gypsyuma:

 

Quoting MemawBrie:


Quoting Gypsyuma:

So IDF soldiers giving testimony as to things they disagreed with during Operation Cast Lead is a crock?

So you have any basis for this claim?  An intelligent one that includes sentences maybe?

My "sources" are eye witnesses who lived in that hell hole.

And so are the IDF soldiers giving their EYE WITNESS TESTIMONY.

YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ IT, DID YOU???

You have no clue what the report is about, do you?

I really despise thread trolls that don't even read before making their LAME ASS comments.

Oh, I read it alright, and so did my friend.  It's nothing more than the same crap that's been being spread in an attempt to make Israel look like the aggressors and bad guys.  You just refuse to admit that if the terrorists you so love and support were not so full of hatred for Israel there wouldn't even be a conflict going on in the first place.  I despise ignorance and people who lie.


And we have ppl. in America like her?! Hope she does not live near Chicago!

MemawBrie
by on Jul. 18, 2009 at 4:54 AM


Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting MemawBrie:


Quoting Gypsyuma:

 

Quoting MemawBrie:


Quoting Gypsyuma:

So IDF soldiers giving testimony as to things they disagreed with during Operation Cast Lead is a crock?

So you have any basis for this claim?  An intelligent one that includes sentences maybe?

My "sources" are eye witnesses who lived in that hell hole.

And so are the IDF soldiers giving their EYE WITNESS TESTIMONY.

YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ IT, DID YOU???

You have no clue what the report is about, do you?

I really despise thread trolls that don't even read before making their LAME ASS comments.

Oh, I read it alright, and so did my friend.  It's nothing more than the same crap that's been being spread in an attempt to make Israel look like the aggressors and bad guys.  You just refuse to admit that if the terrorists you so love and support were not so full of hatred for Israel there wouldn't even be a conflict going on in the first place.  I despise ignorance and people who lie.


And we have ppl. in America like her?! Hope she does not live near Chicago!

LOL, for all we know she belongs to one of their "sleeper cells."  Heh heh heh

 




 




I may not know what my future holds, but, I do know
                               the One who holds my future ♥
JESUS

mrs_khan07
by Silver Member on Jul. 18, 2009 at 2:22 PM


Quoting Gypsyuma:


Quoting MemawBrie:


Quoting Gypsyuma:

HAMAS IS NO MORE THE "SONS OF DARKNESS" THAN THE ZIONISTS ARE THE "SONS OF LIGHT".  THAT I KNOW FOR SURE.

Funny how you make snide comments about Hamas instead of ANYTHING remotely having to do with the actions of the IDF and how they are twisting the Jewish faith and proclaiming a holy war.

Did you even READ the post?

Don't you believe it people!  HAMAS = SONS OF DARKNESS and everything EVIL!  This is an extremely wicked terrorist organization!  There's NOTHING good about them!  THIS I KNOW FOR SURE!!!  Inside knowledge from a terrified woman who LIVED the nightmare!  We're doing everything we can to get her as far away from her poor excuse of a husband and his horrible family that we can!!


OH WELL,,,,, MOVE OVER EVERYONE,,,,,, Mother Theresa has been replaced by Mother Memawbrie and God is now speaking thru her in a modern day Judgment Day.

HALLELUYAH!!!!

I pity that poor woman thay she has been brainwashed by such a pathetic excuse for a human being - and I am not talking about her husband.

She's making this up. There is no woman, there's just Brie and her multiple personalities and paranoia. Pretty sure they make medication for that.

Mrs. Khan

tericared
by on Jul. 18, 2009 at 2:25 PM


Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting mrs_khan07:


Quoting MemawBrie:


Quoting blondekosmic15:

Sons of darkness....Hamas!

This ^, and I call them satan's spawn.

Funny. We say the same about you.

devil


Are you defending the terrorist group of Hamas!?     confused


your silly shit is past getting old

MemawBrie
by on Jul. 18, 2009 at 3:10 PM


Quoting mrs_khan07:


Quoting Gypsyuma:


Quoting MemawBrie:


Quoting Gypsyuma:

HAMAS IS NO MORE THE "SONS OF DARKNESS" THAN THE ZIONISTS ARE THE "SONS OF LIGHT".  THAT I KNOW FOR SURE.

Funny how you make snide comments about Hamas instead of ANYTHING remotely having to do with the actions of the IDF and how they are twisting the Jewish faith and proclaiming a holy war.

Did you even READ the post?

Don't you believe it people!  HAMAS = SONS OF DARKNESS and everything EVIL!  This is an extremely wicked terrorist organization!  There's NOTHING good about them!  THIS I KNOW FOR SURE!!!  Inside knowledge from a terrified woman who LIVED the nightmare!  We're doing everything we can to get her as far away from her poor excuse of a husband and his horrible family that we can!!


OH WELL,,,,, MOVE OVER EVERYONE,,,,,, Mother Theresa has been replaced by Mother Memawbrie and God is now speaking thru her in a modern day Judgment Day.

HALLELUYAH!!!!

I pity that poor woman thay she has been brainwashed by such a pathetic excuse for a human being - and I am not talking about her husband.

She's making this up. There is no woman, there's just Brie and her multiple personalities and paranoia. Pretty sure they make medication for that.

rolling on floorDo you know how delusional and in need of medication this makes YOU sound?  What a piece of work!

 




 




I may not know what my future holds, but, I do know
                               the One who holds my future ♥
JESUS

Gypsyuma
by Gold Member on Jul. 18, 2009 at 5:32 PM

STILL THE TROLLS HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT HOW THE IDF LEADERS ARE SENDING RABI IN TO MAKE THIS INTO A HOLY WAR.  ALL THE CONDEMNATION OF MUSLIMS AND THEIR HOLY WARS, AND WHEN IT COMES TO ISRAEL THERE IS NO CONDEMNATION WHATSOEVER.

THE SAME RABI TELLS THE SOLDIERS TO JUST KILL EVERYONE BECAUSE GOD WON'T MIND.  HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR GOD BEING USED THAT WAY?

I WOULD APPRECIATE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE READ THE REPORT TO COMMENT, AND ONLY ABOUT THE ORIGINAL TOPIC.


 

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