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the Church-a history, part two

Posted by on Jul. 16, 2009 at 10:09 PM
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To see part one, click here.

As I have stated in part one, there are many who post here who seem to be quite ignorant of certain history.  I thought I would post this, in several parts.  Part two follows.

Heresy

by Barbara G. Walker

(continued)

By the twelfth century it became a
firm rule that all who entered holy
orders must turn over all their property
to the church. Wealthy female
landowners who had joined convents
in order to keep their property to
themselves were now threatened with
excommunication and prison. Some
groups of nuns, such as the well-

endowed and enlightened teaching
order of Beguines, were forced to integrate
into papally approved orders
where education of, and teaching by,
women was forbidden, and all real
estate and other valuables were appropriated
by the church. Frequently, the
formerly female-owned buildings were
converted into dwellings and prisonhouses
for the Inquisition.29 Such
rules, together with its crusades and
wars of acquisition, made the church
the owner of nearly half of all the feudal
lands in Europe. Here began the
era of Renaissance heresy-hunting,
when the greed and corruption of the
church were at their height, and critics
were attacked with the most ruthless
cruelty ever seen in the history of civilization,
surpassing even the Nazi holocaust
of the twentieth century. That
holocaust lasted less than ten years.
The church’s version lasted more than
five hundred years, and its Inquisition
is still nominally part of the Holy
Office.
The Inquisition was created to win
the war between the church and the
disillusioned public, during the period
when ecclesiastical corruption was at
its height. It was established by a series
of papal bulls, notably the 1251 Ad
extirpanda of Pope Innocent IV, de -
scribed by J.B. Russell as “a terrible
measure against heretics . . . authorizing
seizure of their goods, imprisonment,
torture, and . . . death, all on
minimal evidence.”30 The “minimal
evidence” was usually obtained by torturing
previous victims until they gave
names of so-called accomplices, who
were then arrested and tortured to
contribute more names, and so on,
until whole villages were implicated
and everyone went in terror of the
devil on the one hand, and the church
on the other.
Only a few decades ago, Catholic
manuals mendaciously claimed that
the Inquisition was a purely civil tribunal,
established to punish secular
crimes.31 Actually, the Inquisition was
not interested in secular crimes except
as they might relate to heresy, the one
offense whereby otherwise law-abiding
citizens could merit the death penalty.
Even today, Catholic sources continue
trying to falsify the staggering numbers
of legal murders committed by the
Inquisition and the extraordinary cruelty
of its methods.
The great historian Henry Charles
Lea considered the Inquisition “a
standing mockery of justice—perhaps
the most iniquitous that the arbitrary
cruelty of man has ever devised. . . .
Fanatic zeal, arbitrary cruelty, and insatiable
cupidity rivaled each other in
building up a system unspeakably atrocious.
It was a system which might well
seem the invention of demons.”32
Here’s how it worked. 1) All procedures
were kept secret. 2) “Common
report” and hearsay were accepted as
proof of guilt. 3) The accused was
never told of the nature of the charges
nor allowed legal counsel. 4) Witnesses
were kept concealed. 5) Perjurers,
excommunicates, or children could
give evidence. 6) No favorable evidence
or character witnesses were permitted.
In any case, anyone who spoke
for an accused heretic was arrested as
an accomplice. 7) Torture was used
always, without limit of duration or
severity. (Official sources said that torture
could be used “only once,” but
weeks or months of daily torturing
were simply described as “continuations.”)
Even if the accused confessed
be fore torture, the torture was applied
anyway, to “validate” the confession. If
the accused died under torture, the re -
cord stated that the devil
broke his neck in prison.
8) The accused was
forced to confirm under
torture the names of
“accomplices” suggested
to him by the judges. 9)
No accused person was
found innocent.33
The rule of confiscation
was what made the
Inquisition so enormously
profitable. All the pro perty of an
accused heretic could be seized by the
church immediately upon his arrest.
The popes praised the rule of confiscation
as a prime weapon against
heresy.34 Victims were expected to pay
the expenses of their own imprisonment
as well, even to pay for the ropes,
wood, and stakes used to kill them.
There was a schedule of fees for each
torture operation. Those without
money could starve to death in prison.
Pope Gregory XI wrote that too many
accused heretics were dying of starvation
in prison before they could be
brought to the stake, and he offered
indulgences to all who would donate
food to them. Lea comments: “There
is something so appallingly grotesque
in tearing honest, industrious folk
from their homes by the thousand, in
thrusting them into dungeons to rot
and starve, and then evading the cost
of feeding them by presenting them to
the faithful as objects of charity, that
the proclamation which Gregory
issued August 15, 1376, is perhaps the
most shameless monument of a shameless
age.”35
The title of Inquisitor was applied
for the first time to the judges who
investigated the Albigensian heresy in
the south of France, which was “the
most civilized land in Europe” in the
twelfth century, according to Briffault:
“There commerce, industry, art, science
had been far in advance of the
age. The cities had won virtual self-government,
were proud of their wealth
and strength, jealous of their liberties
. . . The nobles, for the most part, were
cultivated men, poets themselves or
patrons of poetry, who had learned . . .
that municipal liberties were a safeguard
rather than a menace to the wise
ruler.”36 The church’s problem was
that these enlightened people paid no
allegiance to Rome, followed Gnostic
beliefs concerning reincarnation and
the demonic nature of the biblical
Jehovah, condemned idolatry, denied
the Trinity, and refused the sacraments
of the Roman Church, which they
called the Synagogue of Satan.

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Goodwoman614
by Satan on Jul. 16, 2009 at 10:11 PM

In 1209 Pope Innocent II preached
a great crusade against the Albigen -
sians (also called Cathari), which
resulted in the extermination of half
the population of France. When the
papal legate was asked how the crusaders
might distinguish the heretics
from the faithful, he answered: “Kill
them all—God will know his own.”37 It
has been written that more than a million
people were slaughtered.38
Briffault says, “A people of rare gifts
had been tortured, decimated, humiliated,
despoiled . . . The pre cocious civilization
which had promised to lead
Europe in the path of culture was
gone, and to Italy was transmitted the
honour of the Renaissance.”39
A 19th-century prelate tried to
defend the church’s actions against
the Albigensians by saying
that their heretical opinions
“brought violent disturbance
into men’s
minds,” in keeping with
the traditional ecclesiastical
definition of any theological
diversity as violent
disturbance.40 However, a
massacre on the scale of
the Albi gen sian crusade
may be considered a disturbance
considerably more violent.
The riches brought into the church
by this campaign encouraged further
forays against heresy in all the countries
of Europe. Mass executions
became commonplace, one inquisitorial
chronicler describing the burning
of 180 people at once as a “holocaust
very great and pleasing to God.”41
Popes praised the Inquisition’s soldiers,
as when Pope Gregory XIII sent
congratulations on the slaughter of
ten thousand French Protestants: “We
rejoice . . . that with the help of God
you have relieved the world of these
wretched heretics.”42 Of course it was
not the world but the church that was
worried about their existence.
Heresy, or dissatisfaction with the
church’s ways of thinking and doing,
was actually spread instead of stifled by
the violence of its punishments. Here
and there a few honest clerics spoke
up against the abuses of their superiors;
some paid with their lives for their
boldness, like Brother Raymond Jean,
executed for preaching: “The enemies
of the faith are among ourselves. The
Church which governs us is symboled
by the Great Whore of the Apocalypse,
who persecutes the poor.”43 Nicholas
de Clamanges, rector of the University
of Paris, said in an open letter that the
popes were ravishers rather than pastors
of their flocks: “The priesthood
has become a misery reduced to profaning
its calling . . . Who do you think
can endure, among so many other
abuses, your mercenary appointments,
your multiple sales of benefices, your
elevation of men without honesty or
virtue to the most eminent positions?”
44 Even the revered St. Bernard
deplored the church’s greed: “Whom
can you show me among the prelates
who does not seek rather to empty the
pockets of his flock than to subdue
their vices?”45
The Spiritual Franciscans, or
Fraticelli, were declared heretics when
they withdrew from the orthodox
Franciscan order and claimed that the
pope and all his kind were tainted with
the sin of simony; that because of its
evil, the church had been excommunicated
by God, and the pope was an
Antichrist. In direct opposition to the
church’s official declarations, they
insisted that Jesus was a poor man, and
good Christians should be similarly
free of acquisitiveness, as St. Francis
himself had taught.
Needless to say, these well-meaning
heretics didn’t last long. A whole town
in Italy, Magnalata, known to be one of
their centers, was leveled to the
ground by order of Pope Martin V, and
every inhabitant of the town was
slain.46 Other Franciscans, however,
continued to supply judges and other
personnel for the Inquisition, along
with the Dominicans, who earned the
punning title of Domini Canes, the
Hounds of God. In 1325, Pope John
XXII issued a bull “infallibly” declaring
it heretical to say that Jesus and his
apostles owned no property, and or -
der ing inquisitors to prosecute those
who called Jesus a poor man. The
pope had 114 Spiritual Franciscans
burned alive, just to drive the point
home.47
The legend of St. Francis also
inspired an Italian peasant named
Segarelli, who tried to join the
Franciscan order and was rejected.
Still, he believed himself a true spiritual
son of St. Francis, and founded his
own order, which was named the
Apostolic Congregation, preaching
against the worldly wealth of the
church. Segarelli was caught and
burned, but the Apostolic Congre ga -
tion continued under the leadership
of Fra Dolcino, hence they came to be
called Dolcinists. They welcomed
women to their order and granted
their “Sisters in Christ” the same right
to preach and lead prayers as the men
had. They claimed to renounce sexual
relations, so when Fra Dolcino’s particularly
beloved Sister in Christ,
Margherita, bore him a child, it was
announced as a miracle brought about
by the Holy Ghost.
Three crusades were preached
against these tenacious heretics.
Finally, in the harsh winter of 1307,
they were trapped in a mountain hideaway,
reduced to starvation, and
slaughtered. After watching his dearly
beloved Sister Margherita burned to
death, Fra Dolcino was slowly torn to
pieces by red-hot pincers on a cart that
rolled along public roads, where everyone
could see the edifying spectacle
and learn the consequences of
heresy.48
The Inquisition invented many new
and ingenious ways to increase its
treasures, such as accusing the dead of
heresy in order to dig up and burn
their remains, and take property away
from their legal heirs, on the ground
that heretics couldn’t own anything.49
If a person, fearing that he was about
to be arrested, should commit suicide
to cheat the torturer, all his property
was automatically taken by the church.
Families were left destitute by this rule,
and no one dared to help them for
fear of reprisals. The Inquisition thus
established the law of property seizure
for suicides, which remained in force
in most European countries until
1870.50 The use of torture in ecclesiastical
tribunals was officially sanctioned
in 1257 and remained a legal recourse
for the church for five and a half centuries,
until it was abolished by Pope
Pius VII in 1816.51
There was at least one inquisitorial
judge who experienced a revulsion for
his lifework and dared to say that his
victims’ confessions were false, due
only to the agony of the torture. His
name was Dietrich Flade. His archbishop
had him arrested and put on the
rack until Flade admitted having spoken
heresy because he sold his soul to
the devil. Then he was burned.52
The Inquisition remained active
until 1834, especially in Central and
South America, where the “heathen”
natives were tortured and killed for
crimes against the true faith, such as
not believing in it.53 Many Native
Americans were burned at the Mission
of San Francisco before the tribes were
persuaded to accept the Word of
God.54 As far away as India, in the late
sixteenth and early seventeenth centuries,
the Inquisition killed nearly
four thousand people in the district of
Goa.56

Goodwoman614
by Satan on Jul. 16, 2009 at 10:13 PM

And still the Inquisition has its
defenders. At the beginning of the
twentieth century a cardinal, endorsed
by Pope Pius X, wrote: “The naked fact
that the Church, of her own authority,
has tried heretics and condemned
them . . . shows that she truly has the
right of killing . . . Who dares to say

that the Church has erred in a matter
so grave as this?”57 Of course, quite a
few have dared to say so, especially
some women who were understandably
an noyed by the linguistic habit of
referring to this all-male and fiercely
autocratic church as “she.”
One of the most famous victims of
the Inquisition was Giordano Bruno,
one of the best thinkers of the sixteenth
century, a forerunner of
philosophers like Leibniz and Spinoza.
Accused of heresy at his monastery
school, he fled to Rome, was accused
again, and traveled through Swit zer -
land, Germany, France and England as
a teacher. He introduced the doctrine
of evolution, identified the circulation
of the blood (later confirmed by
Harvey), and lectured on the theories
of Copernicus, anticipating Galileo
and Kepler. Sensing heresy in these
matters, the authorities at Oxford
asked him to leave. He returned to
Europe and was cordially invited to
Venice by an Italian nobleman hired
by the Inquisition to entice him. He
was immediately arrested for heresy,
languished in solitary confinement for
seven years, was tortured, and finally
was burned to death in 1600 on the
Campo di Fiora in Rome, close to the
Vatican, where his memorial statue,
erected by freethinkers, now stands.58
Another notable heretic was the
Spanish theologian and writer Michael
Servetus, who was burned in 1553. He
was arrested by the inquisitor-general
of Lyons for denying the Trinity and
publishing other heretical ideas. He
managed to escape, and fled to the
Protestant stronghold of Geneva—an
unfortunate choice, because it was the
theological territory of John Calvin,
who had declared himself Servetus’
enemy. Calvin helped to arrange his
second arrest, leading to his trial and
execution. Calvin wrote that Servetus’
views were “such detestable heresy as
to abolish the whole Christian religion”
and Servetus could “destroy all
the fundamentals of the faith.”59 So
fearful are the faithful!
The Quakers were often accused of
“ungodding God,” or “robbing God of
his glory,” or “deposing the majesty of
God himself,” showing that on some
level their critics believed God to be
very vulnerable, a mere bit of
ephemera capable of being
blown away by a breath. Seven -
teenth-century England forbade
publications that might doubt the
Trinity, “to the great dishonor of
God” and even verbally denying
that Jesus was God was de clared a
capital offense.60 Believers’ most
homicidal rage has always been
aroused by those who suggest that
belief may be unfounded.
During the Age of En light -
enment, the panic of orthodox
theologians became even greater.
Pope Gregory XVI in his 1832
bull Mirari vos said liberty of conscience
is madness, and any work
advocating freedom of religion,
freedom of the press, freedom of
assembly, or freedom of education
is “a filthy sewer full of heretical
vomit.”61 (So much for “American
principles;” the papacy has “infallibly”
condemned them.)

tericared
by on Jul. 16, 2009 at 10:17 PM

 ) All procedures
were kept secret. 2) “Common
report” and hearsay were accepted as
proof of guilt. 3) The accused was
never told of the nature of the charges
nor allowed legal counsel. 4) Witnesses
were kept concealed. 5) Perjurers,
excommunicates, or children could
give evidence. 6) No favorable evidence
or character witnesses were permitted.
In any case, anyone who spoke
for an accused heretic was arrested as
an accomplice. 7) Torture was used
always, without limit of duration or
severity. (Official sources said that torture
could be used “only once,” but
weeks or months of daily torturing
were simply described as “continuations.”)

WOW

home-sweet-home
by Silver Member on Jul. 16, 2009 at 10:23 PM

I wish you would title that the "Catholic" church, because that is not the history of my church, in fact we were condemned for not accepting their baptisms because they went against the way the Bible said to do it. The Baptist Church (which got the name Anabaptist because of the baptism issue) was persecuted by the catholic church. Read the Trail of Blood. It is very interesting.


Check out Jacob's jouney on my home page!

tericared
by on Jul. 16, 2009 at 11:11 PM


Quoting home-sweet-home:

I wish you would title that the "Catholic" church, because that is not the history of my church, in fact we were condemned for not accepting their baptisms because they went against the way the Bible said to do it. The Baptist Church (which got the name Anabaptist because of the baptism issue) was persecuted by the catholic church. Read the Trail of Blood. It is very interesting.


very interesting,,,thank you

rocklovinggirl
by Bronze Member on Jul. 17, 2009 at 2:08 AM

 Yeah, the Catholic church is not really my church but I do like reading about the history of some Christians... I have always heard they did mean things "in the name of God," and such...thanks for posting! Though these kind of things make no difference in my beliefs (not saying that is what you are aiming for).

"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads. "-Ron Paul
"The history of liberty is the history of the limitation of government, not the increase of it."- Woodrow Wilson
blondekosmic15
by on Jul. 17, 2009 at 6:17 AM

I am a Catholic...the Holy Spirit is the Author of TRUTH...not this Barbara Walker! There is so much false info out there...it's ridiculous! GW when did you take yrs. of theology to become a Biblical Scholar!? The Catholic Church has w/ stood 2000+ yrs. of attacks & false writings such as this & she will certainly endure from your attempts to discredit her. I love the way you deem yourself some authority concerning the Church...hmm Jesus warned about this! Christianity will prevail & so will the Church! Upon this Rock I will build my Church & the gates of Hell shall not prevail against Her. Matthew 16:18 I have read & studied about the Saints of the Church...the Popes...the teachings & doctrines etc. since my conversion in 1978. Sadly some will surrender to this garbage! I feel very sorry for this Barbara Walker when she meets God~+

In order to know God you must seek Him w/ a humble & prayerful heart. Walker is an atheist so this would be impossible since they do not believe in or embrace Almighty God w/ humility & love. She is bias & will not seek the Truth only her version of what she deems to be true~

Not every prophecy is of God (I Kings 13:18), "because many false prophets are gone out into the world." Jeremiah 28:11, 15-17; Matthew 24:11, 24 (Mark 13:22); Luke 6:26; Acts 13:6; 2 Peter 2:1; I John 4:1-3; Revelation 16:13; 19:20; 20:10

 

                            

 

Barbara G. Walker

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Barbara G. Walker (born July 2, 1930, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania) is a U.S. author and feminist. She writes about religion, cultural anthropology, spirituality, and mythology from the viewpoint of Pre-Indo-European neolithic matriarchies. She often uses the imagery of the Mother Goddess to discuss these Neolithic Matriarchies. Her most important book is The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets (1983). She also is an influential knitting expert and the author of several classic encyclopedic knitting references.

Barbara G. Walker describes herself as an atheist. In the book, The Skeptical Feminist: Discovering the Virgin, Mother, and Crone, she writes about her belief that there is no deity. However, she believes that people, and woman in particular, can use the image of the Goddess in their day-to-day lives. Her book Woman's Rituals: A Sourcebook is an attempt to show how she puts her "meditation techniques" into practice, and is meant as a guide for other women to do the same thing.

In the 1960s and 1970s, she authored several volumes of knitting references which have become landmarks for their comprehensiveness and clarity.[citation needed] Her knitting treasury series documents over a thousand different knitting stitches. Other books considered mosaic knitting, for producing multicolored designs while knitting only one color per row, and constructing knitted garments from the top-down rather than the usual bottom-up method used in western knitting tradition. Her legacy continues with the reprinting of most of her knitting books, starting in the mid-1990s, as well as the publication of new contributions to the knitting literature.

Barbara G. Walker studied journalism at the University of Pennsylvania and began working for the Washington Star in Washington, D.C. While serving on a local hotline in the mid 1970s, helping battered women and pregnant teens, she became interested in feminism. The American Humanist Association named her "Humanist Heroine" in 1993, and in 1995 she received the "Women Making Herstory" award from the New Jersey NOW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_G._Walkerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_G._Walkerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_G._Walker

rocklovinggirl
by Bronze Member on Jul. 17, 2009 at 6:35 AM

Indeed, the holy spirit does speak truth which is why reading these kind of things have no affect on me except to learn. I know through experiences in my life that God is real; God has been evident in my life and I also know that only a Christian can understand what I mean.
I don't actually ever agree with her on anything and I don't know what her reasoning for posting this what BUT I find these type of things interesting.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

I am a Catholic...the Holy Spirit is the Author of TRUTH...not this Barbara Walker! There is so much false info out there...it's ridiculous! GW when did you take yrs. of theology to become a Biblical Scholar!? The Catholic Church has w/ stood 2000+ yrs. of attacks & false writings such as this & she will certainly endure from your attempts to discredit her. I love the way you deem yourself some authority concerning the Church...hmm Jesus warned about this! Christianity will prevail & so will the Church! Upon this Rock I will build my Church & the gates of Hell shall not prevail against Her. Matthew 16:18 I have read & studied about the Saints of the Church...the Popes...the teachings & doctrines etc. since my conversion in 1978. Sadly some will surrender to this garbage! I feel very sorry for this Barbara Walker when she meets God~+

In order to know God you must seek Him w/ a humble & prayerful heart. Walker is an atheist so this would be impossible since they do not believe in or embrace Almighty God w/ humility & love. She is bias & will not seek the Truth only her version of what she deems to be true~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_G._Walkerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_G._Walkerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_G._Walker


"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads. "-Ron Paul
"The history of liberty is the history of the limitation of government, not the increase of it."- Woodrow Wilson
blondekosmic15
by on Jul. 17, 2009 at 7:03 PM

 

Quoting rocklovinggirl:

Indeed, the holy spirit does speak truth which is why reading these kind of things have no affect on me except to learn. I know through experiences in my life that God is real; God has been evident in my life and I also know that only a Christian can understand what I mean.
I don't actually ever agree with her on anything and I don't know what her reasoning for posting this what BUT I find these type of things interesting.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

I am a Catholic...the Holy Spirit is the Author of TRUTH...not this Barbara Walker! There is so much false info out there...it's ridiculous! GW when did you take yrs. of theology to become a Biblical Scholar!? The Catholic Church has w/ stood 2000+ yrs. of attacks & false writings such as this & she will certainly endure from your attempts to discredit her. I love the way you deem yourself some authority concerning the Church...hmm Jesus warned about this! Christianity will prevail & so will the Church! Upon this Rock I will build my Church & the gates of Hell shall not prevail against Her. Matthew 16:18 I have read & studied about the Saints of the Church...the Popes...the teachings & doctrines etc. since my conversion in 1978. Sadly some will surrender to this garbage! I feel very sorry for this Barbara Walker when she meets God~+

In order to know God you must seek Him w/ a humble & prayerful heart. Walker is an atheist so this would be impossible since they do not believe in or embrace Almighty God w/ humility & love. She is bias & will not seek the Truth only her version of what she deems to be true~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_G._Walkerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_G._Walkerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_G._Walker



Thank you for your comment....as a Christian than you will understand that to fully know God & his Church...you must seek him 1st. The Holy Spirit enlightens our minds & hearts interiorly w/ the Truth & wisdom concerning the reality of Biblical history thru out the Centuries even the early yrs. Yes, sadly there will be some apples which may fall from the tree but the Church & her Biblical teachings will remain sound til the end of time! Jesus Christ is the same * yesterday * today * forever. Our Lord warns about the weeds growing w/ the wheat so obviously there will be those who fall from the Truth or who never chose to embrace it @ all. They will attempt to infiltrate the Church w/ hatred & violence for the purpose of her destruction. What we must be equally concerned about are those who strike @ the Church from the outside due to their lack of understanding or b/c they hate her & wish to deceive others into accepting false writings portraying the Church as evil & self-seeking. The early yrs. of the Church has been labeled as such by some absent of any authentic research into those particular happenings during that period in history! This has been taking place for Centuries now but the Church will prevail as Jesus promised~+

Bishop Fulton Sheen warned....Satan use to be outside the Church...he's inside now. He was not referring to the Church being unholy by any means but warning that there will be those who will come into the Church who are sinful for the sake of deception & taking many souls away from Jesus Christ who is the Way * the Truth * the Life+

Della529
by Matlock on Jul. 17, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Blonde, do you mean the like the false writings/teachings of John Darby and Cyrus Scofield?  You know, how the Catholics believe in the pre-tribulation rapture?  Or perhaps it's those "chosen few" and Israel that you espouse?

What does the Pope or the Vatican say about those things?  I hope you will answer this time.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting rocklovinggirl:

Indeed, the holy spirit does speak truth which is why reading these kind of things have no affect on me except to learn. I know through experiences in my life that God is real; God has been evident in my life and I also know that only a Christian can understand what I mean.
I don't actually ever agree with her on anything and I don't know what her reasoning for posting this what BUT I find these type of things interesting.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

I am a Catholic...the Holy Spirit is the Author of TRUTH...not this Barbara Walker! There is so much false info out there...it's ridiculous! GW when did you take yrs. of theology to become a Biblical Scholar!? The Catholic Church has w/ stood 2000+ yrs. of attacks & false writings such as this & she will certainly endure from your attempts to discredit her. I love the way you deem yourself some authority concerning the Church...hmm Jesus warned about this! Christianity will prevail & so will the Church! Upon this Rock I will build my Church & the gates of Hell shall not prevail against Her. Matthew 16:18 I have read & studied about the Saints of the Church...the Popes...the teachings & doctrines etc. since my conversion in 1978. Sadly some will surrender to this garbage! I feel very sorry for this Barbara Walker BLONDEKOSMIC when she meets God~+

In order to know God you must seek Him w/ a humble & prayerful heart. Walker is an atheist so this would be impossible since they do not believe in or embrace Almighty God w/ humility & love. She is bias & will not seek the Truth only her version of what she deems to be true~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_G._Walkerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_G._Walkerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_G._Walker



Thank you for your comment....as a Christian than you will understand that to fully know God & his Church...you must seek him 1st. The Holy Spirit enlightens our minds & hearts interiorly w/ the Truth & wisdom concerning the reality of Biblical history thru out the Centuries even the early yrs. Yes, sadly there will be some apples which may fall from the tree but the Church & her Biblical teachings will remain sound til the end of time! Jesus Christ is the same * yesterday * today * forever. Our Lord warns about the weeds growing w/ the wheat so obviously there will be those who fall from the Truth or who never chose to embrace it @ all. They will attempt to infiltrate the Church w/ hatred & violence for the purpose of her destruction. What we must be equally concerned about are those who strike @ the Church from the outside due to their lack of understanding or b/c they hate her & wish to deceive others into accepting false writings portraying the Church as evil & self-seeking. This has been taking place for Centuries now but the Church will prevail as Jesus promised~+


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