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http://amfix.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/20/caring-for-the-uninsured/ <------ click here to watch video

July 20, 2009
Posted: 11:50 AM ET
Jim Acosta - Correspondent, CNN's American Morning
Filed under: Health

It’s a startling statistic. 47 million Americans with no health insurance. Where do they go to get treatment? In many cases, they rely on charities like the one we profiled: Remote Area Medical, based in Knoxville, Tennessee. The organization sets up free health care events all over the country. We visited one in the small town of Newport, Tennessee in the foothills of the Great Smoky Mountains.

It was held at the local high school. And before sunrise, people were lining up in wheelchairs and holding babies for a chance to receive medical, dental and eye care at no cost. We met one man whose blood pressure was so high, doctors said he was on the verge of having a stroke.

The organization was founded by Stan Brock, who once appeared regularly on the hit wildlife adventure program “Wild America.” Now he leads what he calls “medical expeditions” in remote parts of the U.S. where you’ll find scores of Americans with little or no health insurance. The demand is so great in the U.S., Brock says, he’s had to cut back on his expeditions to places like Haiti and Guatemala.

The services and equipment are all covered by donations to the organization. And many of the doctors, dentists, and nurses on-hand fly in from across the country on their own dime. Later this summer, Remote Area will be holding events in Southwestern Virginia, on an Indian Reservation in Utah and in Los Angeles where the group expects over ten thousand patients.

While Washington is debating national health care reform, Brock is calling on governors across the country to change little-known laws that stop many doctors from practicing outside of their home states. Tennessee, he says, is one of the few places where any doctor or dentist can fly in from other states to heal the uninsured.


 

by on Jul. 20, 2009 at 5:59 PM
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mommybug77
by Bronze Member on Jul. 21, 2009 at 1:24 PM


Quoting packermomof2:

 

Quoting athenax3:

 

Quoting PamR:

Since the poor are poor, it stands to reason that they can't afford to insure themselves, or to pay for medical care out of pocket - so what should they do?

Many don't give a damn, as long as it doesn't affect their bottom line by a nickel or a minute...and that's the reality- I suspect many of these women would literally step OVER a suffering person if it meant they had to interupt their own lives to help them.....after all, they have what they need, fuck everyone else, it's not thier problem.

I would help a suffering person... but I shouldn't be FORCED to do so...

My family does have insurance... however there are some things my kids have had done that insurance doesn't fully cover and I have to pay out of pocket .. tax me more and I, like others in my situation, will have other bills we can't pay because we are being forced to help others.  Forced being the opportive word here...  Taxing people more can only cause problems... so while you (general) may get health insurance... I'm not able to afford what I do have or pay the out of pocket expenses ... it can get really hard on those of us who are able to make it, but only by the skin of our teeth some months.

Yes, MY family comes first  to me before anyone else... making sure MY kids and MY husband are taken care of comes first to me before anyone on this board or anywhere else. 

And serious question... for those who complain about having no insurance... what other non necessities, besides internet, do you have that you could do without so you can afford insurance?

Also... why are there so many people who whine about public assistance as if it is a bad thing, but are so happy to hear that THEY are going to get the same exact handout they were whining about... is it just because it is on  grander scale?  I don't understand it...

 

 


 

We are lucky to have great insurance especially with DH being a tyupe 1 diabetic with a multitude of other health problems. We also live in the county with the highest sales tax in the country. That on top of the other taxes is enough to kill us. Yes, DH makes good money but we still have to pay out of the rear for meds he HAS to have to LIVE. I feel sorry for others but I really can't afford to be taxed more to cover them too.

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nan4tjn
by Member on Jul. 21, 2009 at 1:25 PM


Quoting emilysmom1966:

I am sorry- I am about to say something that is sooo out of character for me- What the hell crawled up you butt and died? Were you potty trained at gun point?  have you no compassion for anyone but your self? You know what, you better pray that when you go to the hospital you are being care for by someone like this democratic, tree hugging, Obama loving, compassionate nurse. People sing a different song when they are in that hospital bed.

Quoting Eilish:

*Raises hand* Just because some of us are uninsured doesn't mean that we want you (or the government) to insure us. My healthcare is my responsibility. I don't want you paying for it, or the government sticking their nose in it.

 

I'm with Ellish!

I have my own health care because my husband served for 20 years! I don't want the government in my health care either I lived that kind of health care when we lived in Scotland it SUCKS! And I can't believe your a nurse because you would be the first person that I know (?) that is in the field and wants this!

Before you spout you should also check out this article http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2007/20070718153509.aspx 

It's NOT true that 47 million Americans are not covered by health care some of those are illegal and why should I pay for someone that shouldn't be here in the first place? Then there are those that can afford health insurance but don't purchase it, (my adult children for example) ;) One only had to stay in College to get health coverage. Then there are those that don't know or don't bother to get on the various programs out there. My 76 y/o mom (she has lived with us since 93 because she couldn't afford the taxes on her home any longer!) she gets her medicine from the pharmaceutical companies for free, she goes to the county council on aging and they have a lady that helps her fill out the paper work. Check it out.

When are people going to be responsible for their own actions? Why is it my responsibility to take care of you? NO ONE took care of my mom, my sister or me when my dad died when I was 12 and she was 5, we got help from our family but other then that my mom worked her (nurse) behind off to pay off our house, put food on the table, without aid from the government!

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truckincowgirl
by on Jul. 21, 2009 at 1:29 PM

As far as us having internet....we will lose it soon. My hubs drives a truck (until July 31 when he is laid off) and his boss was covering our internet bill so I could help them find loads on the load boards. I have, and will, used the library in the past for my job hunts and so on. I am not one who will "whine" when I know I have access to other sources to help us in our job hunt. As far as any other bills we have....groceries, housing, utilities are all we have. Our expenses are cut to what we HAVE to have.

Am I whining? No. Am I complaining about all the nonsense they put people through. Yes. Why am I complaining if it is "free"? It is not free. My dh and I have paid into it for years. It is there for us as we struggle to get back on our feet. So we will use it as needed and then no more. I also complain because people who truly do not abuse it are having a hard time getting access to it.While a woman I am acquaintance with sits on her butt right now while her dh works under the table for a LOT of money, and milk the system others may desperately need in these hard times. This angers me. It angers me because a LOT of people I know are going without because of others abusing the system.

Quoting packermomof2:

 

Quoting athenax3:

 

Quoting PamR:

Since the poor are poor, it stands to reason that they can't afford to insure themselves, or to pay for medical care out of pocket - so what should they do?

Many don't give a damn, as long as it doesn't affect their bottom line by a nickel or a minute...and that's the reality- I suspect many of these women would literally step OVER a suffering person if it meant they had to interupt their own lives to help them.....after all, they have what they need, fuck everyone else, it's not thier problem.

I would help a suffering person... but I shouldn't be FORCED to do so...

My family does have insurance... however there are some things my kids have had done that insurance doesn't fully cover and I have to pay out of pocket .. tax me more and I, like others in my situation, will have other bills we can't pay because we are being forced to help others.  Forced being the opportive word here...  Taxing people more can only cause problems... so while you (general) may get health insurance... I'm not able to afford what I do have or pay the out of pocket expenses ... it can get really hard on those of us who are able to make it, but only by the skin of our teeth some months.

Yes, MY family comes first  to me before anyone else... making sure MY kids and MY husband are taken care of comes first to me before anyone on this board or anywhere else. 

And serious question... for those who complain about having no insurance... what other non necessities, besides internet, do you have that you could do without so you can afford insurance?

Also... why are there so many people who whine about public assistance as if it is a bad thing, but are so happy to hear that THEY are going to get the same exact handout they were whining about... is it just because it is on  grander scale?  I don't understand it...

 

 


 


itsmesteph11
by Bronze Member on Jul. 21, 2009 at 1:45 PM

 That is great but there are many groups who do the same, many clinics offered free all over America. You certainly can't say no one helps the people who have no insurance in America.      I have to wonder why these people don't have insurance for at least their kids. The SCHIP program is in every state to one degree or another and the ages limits have been raised.   The poor and elderly should have medicare or medicaid.  Not every single person who shows up at free clinics can get insurance. There are and will always be those who fall through the cracks but there are about 20,000 who just don't want to get or don't know how to get insurance.  Add them to the 15-20,000 illegals without insurance it cuts your number down quite a bit.  The old $47 million people is a farce. 

Lastly, There is nothing in any of these 5 bills being floated about that gives all these people FREE healthcare.  They will still have to pay even if subsidized.   Now Obama has decided to call it what it is, Insurance reform. He has to do this because there is no evidence anything will change except the ability to get insurance.  You will be forced to enroll and fined if you don't. This is a major problem for those who are destitute. The will still fall through the cracks.  The level of care will go down and treatments rationed.  There is no proof anything Obama wants will do much to curb medical costs.  The plans also want to expand the already failing Medicare system. How will that cut costs? 

I say no to this attempt at taking over the healthcare system, not for the so called rich but for everyone.  There are ways to reform the system without completely tossing it and starting a huge new plan that will very likely end up just as all other government plans has. In failure.

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MrsRStewart
by Bronze Member on Jul. 21, 2009 at 2:01 PM

About half that number is people who could get health insurance but choose not to because they think they do not need it.  The other half . . . some of them probably could go on gov. health care but just haven't done it.  There is that same portion left over that can't afford it and doesn't qualify for gov. insurance.  I tend to think that no matter how little you make, there are plans out there that cost very little that you can get, even if for emergencies. 

If this passes, people will be fined for not having an approved plan. Approved being the key word.  Not just a plan, but it has to be approved by the government.

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July 17, 2009 --

PRESIDENT Obama promises that "if you like your health plan, you can keep it," even after he reforms our health-care system. That's untrue. The bills now before Congress would force you to switch to a managed-care plan with limits on your access to specialists and tests.

Two main bills are being rushed through Congress with the goal of combining them into a finished product by August. Under either, a new government bureaucracy will select health plans that it considers in your best interest, and you will have to enroll in one of these "qualified plans." If you now get your plan through work, your employer has a five-year "grace period" to switch you into a qualified plan. If you buy your own insurance, you'll have less time.

And as soon as anything changes in your contract -- such as a change in copays or deductibles, which many insurers change every year -- you'll have to move into a qualified plan instead (House bill, p. 16-17).

When you file your taxes, if you can't prove to the IRS that you are in a qualified plan, you'll be fined thousands of dollars -- as much as the average cost of a health plan for your family size -- and then automatically enrolled in a randomly selected plan (House bill, p. 167-168).

It's one thing to require that people getting government assistance tolerate managed care, but the legislation limits you to a managed-care plan even if you and your employer are footing the bill (Senate bill, p. 57-58). The goal is to reduce everyone's consumption of health care and to ensure that people have the same health-care experience, regardless of ability to pay.

Nowhere does the legislation say how much health plans will cost, but a family of four is eligible for some government assistance until their household income reaches $88,000 (House bill, p. 137). If you earn more than that, you'll have to pay the cost no matter how high it goes.

The price tag for this legislation is a whopping $1.04 trillion to $1.6 trillion (Congressional Budget Office estimates). Half of the tab comes from tax increases on individuals earning $280,000 or more, and these new taxes will double in 2012 unless savings exceed predicted costs (House bill, p. 199). The rest of the cost is paid for by cutting seniors' health benefits under Medicare.

There's plenty of waste in Medicare, but the Congressional Budget Office estimates only 1 percent of the savings under the legislation will be from curbing waste, fraud and abuse. That means the rest will likely come from reducing what patients get.

One troubling provision of the House bill compels seniors to submit to a counseling session every five years (and more often if they become sick or go into a nursing home) about alternatives for end-of-life care (House bill, p. 425-430). The sessions cover highly sensitive matters such as whether to receive antibiotics and "the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration."

This mandate invites abuse, and seniors could easily be pushed to refuse care. Do we really want government involved in such deeply personal issues?

Shockingly, only a portion of the money accumulated from slashing senior benefits and raising taxes goes to pay for covering the uninsured. The Senate bill allocates huge sums to "community transformation grants," home visits for expectant families, services for migrant workers -- and the creation of dozens of new government councils, programs and advisory boards slipped into the last 500 pages.

The most recent ABC News/Washington Post poll (June 21) finds that 83 percent of Americans are very satisfied or somewhat satisfied with the quality of their health care, and 81 percent are similarly satisfied with their health insurance.

They have good reason to be. If you're diagnosed with cancer, you have a better chance of surviving it in the United States than anywhere else, according to the Concord Five Continent Study. And the World Health Organization ranked the United States No. 1 out of 191 countries for being responsive to patients' needs, including providing timely treatments and a choice of doctors.

Congress should pursue less radical ways to cover the uninsured. We have too much to lose with this legislation.

Betsy McCaughey is founder of the Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths and a former lieutenant governor of New York. betsy@hospitalinfection.org

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tabtabmom
by on Jul. 21, 2009 at 2:53 PM


Quoting DevilDuckie:

Hmmm has anyone heard of the experiment being done in MA. 

EVERYONE must have insurance !

As of the first of this year every single MA resident was legally obligated to obtain insurance.  If you do not have insurance available for one reason or another you can apply for the state insurance (Medicaid).  But there are several forms of it and some have payment plans.

I worked for an oral surgeon doing billing when this started.  I had people flood in with broken jaws that had healed incorrectly.  The couldn't talk and were eating with straws.  It was heartbreaking.  People would come in crying with happiness that they could receive medical treatment now.

I have seen the healthcare system get a make over and I am very happy with the outcome.  Healthier people means healthier employees and less missed time at work.  So people are more likely to keep their jobs. 

The mentally ill can now receive their treatments and medications and that makes for a better area to live in.  That includes sex offenders that are now able to get medications voluntarily to kill off their sex drive.

People NEED healthcare.  It is a necessary part of life like food and water and shelter.  I hope the entire country makes a change for the good of our people.

I like this idea, I would be glad to pay for insurance if it was affordable.

lynz63
by Member on Jul. 21, 2009 at 6:09 PM

Quoting truckincowgirl 

And serious question... for those who complain about having no insurance... what other non necessities, besides internet, do you have that you could do without so you can afford insurance?

Remember, there are many people who CANNOT get insurance because of pre existing health problems. They can't be faulted for not having insurance.

I really don't understand WHY insurance companies are so GREEDY. Look how they took advantage of people after Katrina...not wanting to give them their full insured amount...They charge lot's of money...they also, wine and dine their clients...Think about them paying for a four day trip, all expenses paid, including extra recreational activities, round trip airfare...I mean EVERYTHING. And paying for hundreds of reps form oodles of insurance agencies...and each one of them bringing a spouse whose expenses are paid. With a gift each night when you return to your room. Not once  but two separate sessions. Can you imagine what that would cost? Well that's what all the big insurance agencies do. I think it's SICK!!! That's money that could be helping someone who needs health care. Think about it...

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emilysmom1966
by Silver Member on Jul. 21, 2009 at 6:39 PM

My good friend has a child with sickle cell. He had a stroke at the age of 4. She has a masters Degree in Psychology and is a licenced therapist. Guess what she tried to work - and she couldn't. The hospital that we worked for couldn't afford to take her on as an Employee to give her health benefits- the hospital couldn't afford it. She had to quit her job so that her son could get medicaid.. Both her and her husband have to live with relatives because they couldn't hold jobs due to the constant care that he needed. She also had to donate bone marrow so that he can live. So, when these self righteous ding bat chicken heads tell me they don't need health care- unless your Paris Hilton with one hell of an inheritance - if you get an auto immune disease let's see you laugh! I have no tolerance for dumb- insensitive, self righteous , ignorant people like you!!!!!
Since your such an expert at being an ass why don't you just kiss mine...........Better yet why don't you form a I am ignorant, belligerent, self righteous, insensitive woman with blinders on club!!!!!

Oh, and from your last post we can add bigot to you list of fine characteristics!

Quoting Eilish:

rolling on floorWhat?!? You think I am up shit creek without a paddle regarding health care? You're a crack up. I don't want insurance because then I cannot get the care that I want. When I pay for it, I get I what I want. No .... when I land in the hospital, I will be praying that there isn't a democratic, tree hugging, Obama loving, "compassionate" nurse, who is about to tell me that my illness is terminal and the government doesn't deem necessary to keep alive.

You can keep you change .... I don't want any part of it.

Quoting emilysmom1966:

I am sorry- I am about to say something that is sooo out of character for me- What the hell crawled up you butt and died? Were you potty trained at gun point?  have you no compassion for anyone but your self? You know what, you better pray that when you go to the hospital you are being care for by someone like this democratic, tree hugging, Obama loving, compassionate nurse. People sing a different song when they are in that hospital bed.

Quoting Eilish:

*Raises hand* Just because some of us are uninsured doesn't mean that we want you (or the government) to insure us. My healthcare is my responsibility. I don't want you paying for it, or the government sticking their nose in it.

 


 

emilysmom1966
by Silver Member on Jul. 21, 2009 at 6:44 PM

The drive from other surrounding states to get help.

Quoting rotPferd:

Based on the article, it seems to me that giving ppl insurance coverage isn't the problem or the solution. The problem is availability. I have seen the way the ppl live in the smoky mountains. They have no transportation except their two feet. If a Dr or clinic isn't even available in their immediate area, what good is health insurance going to do them? The doctors need to go to them and there aren't many who will do that and the ones who do are probably so overwhelmed that they may not get to see all who show up. Docs are strapped with 1000's of student loans to pay back. Most are certainly gonna work where the money is.

Someone mentioned state laws where docs couldn't cross lines to practice. Since they are allowed to go to 3rd world countries to help, I don't see the difference. Some areas of USA looks very much 3rd worldish. 


DevilDuckie
by on Jul. 21, 2009 at 6:45 PM


Quoting tabtabmom:

 

Quoting DevilDuckie:

Hmmm has anyone heard of the experiment being done in MA. 

EVERYONE must have insurance !

As of the first of this year every single MA resident was legally obligated to obtain insurance.  If you do not have insurance available for one reason or another you can apply for the state insurance (Medicaid).  But there are several forms of it and some have payment plans.

I worked for an oral surgeon doing billing when this started.  I had people flood in with broken jaws that had healed incorrectly.  The couldn't talk and were eating with straws.  It was heartbreaking.  People would come in crying with happiness that they could receive medical treatment now.

I have seen the healthcare system get a make over and I am very happy with the outcome.  Healthier people means healthier employees and less missed time at work.  So people are more likely to keep their jobs. 

The mentally ill can now receive their treatments and medications and that makes for a better area to live in.  That includes sex offenders that are now able to get medications voluntarily to kill off their sex drive.

People NEED healthcare.  It is a necessary part of life like food and water and shelter.  I hope the entire country makes a change for the good of our people.

I like this idea, I would be glad to pay for insurance if it was affordable.

And I haven't heard any real complaints here.  I work in the medical billing field and think that this was the best thing for our people !

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