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Posted by on Jul. 28, 2009 at 12:55 PM
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why the hell r we not doing something about this health care reform,

most of us r lost and that is just what Obama wants, he is a socialist and that is not what we need.... we r America's.... if he gets this passed we all have a cap on our ass,

and the old people who payed taxes all there life will suffer, Obama says he will make cuts... the only cuts he can make is to cut the doctors pay.. and the staff, and also the old people. Think about it, is he going to pay for that old woman, or that young one who is in her prime paying taxes... we need to stop this reform.. because medical as we know it will be a thing of the past.... and once it's in we can never go back, look at Canada....they come here for health care, because theirs is no good.. people r dieing.. Please we r better off without Obama lets try and get this health care reform off the table.

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margroc
by on Jul. 28, 2009 at 1:01 PM

 

Quoting Mickey1600:

why the hell r we not doing something about this health care reform,

most of us r lost and that is just what Obama wants, he is a socialist and that is not what we need.... we r America's.... if he gets this passed we all have a cap on our ass,

and the old people who payed taxes all there life will suffer, Obama says he will make cuts... the only cuts he can make is to cut the doctors pay.. and the staff, and also the old people. Think about it, is he going to pay for that old woman, or that young one who is in her prime paying taxes... we need to stop this reform.. because medical as we know it will be a thing of the past.... and once it's in we can never go back, look at Canada....they come here for health care, because theirs is no good.. people r dieing.. Please we r better off without Obama lets try and get this health care reform off the table.

Okay - I'm going to say this one more freaking time - GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT ABOUT CANADIAN HEALTHCARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I'm sick to death of the propaganda from you people.  Either prove the crap you are spreading or quit spreading it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a letter to the editor of the largest newspaper in Canada from an elderly Canadian:

LETTER TO THE EDITOR
TheStar.com | Opinion | Thanks to wonderful health care
Thanks to wonderful health care
 Jul 26, 2009 04:30 AM

More than five years ago, at the age of 80, I became anemic and was sent to Scarborough General Hospital for a blood transfusion, which was followed by tests that showed I had colorectal cancer. A week later I had surgery. I was in the hospital another two weeks and I can't say enough about how well I was treated by everyone who took care of me. Thanks to such wonderful health care I am cancer-free. I will gladly pay taxes to support the system.

http://www.thestar.com/article/671998
 

trz031407
by on Jul. 28, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Ok, I still can't fathom how someone could be upset that healthcare will be given to all people. I am so glad that it is in the making that someone who needs healthcare and can't afford it will have it. The ones that really need it, with the diseases that need expensive treatments that they can't afford. This is saving lifes. WHAT KIND OF HUMAN HAS NO COMPASSION FOR THE REST OF IT'S MANKIND? The mothers having back alley abortions can go to a Dr now. People like my son, with Asthma, wouldn't need to spend $200.00 on a 3-month prescription.
AND FOR WHAT? Some extra money taken out of your paycheck? It's not even like it would put the people it effects into debt. It probably wouldn't phase them. I am in debt up to my ears and I am willing to pay more out of my pocket for this healthcare, I know it wont be as much as I would have to pay now for my son. I just can't afford it.

Raintree
by Ruby Member on Jul. 28, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Mickey- Canadians OUTLIVE us. They have a better infant mortality rate than we do.

Explain.

Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. - Michael Pollan

And while you're at it, remember that when you purchase food, you're voting with your dollar. Local farms, diversity, sustainability- all these should be positively answered by your vote. 


athenax3
by on Jul. 28, 2009 at 1:19 PM

It isn't healthcare reform, it's health INSURANCE reform- there is absolutely NO government healthcare being proposed, perhaps before you do anything else you should briefly evaluate the information.


mommerbean
by Member on Jul. 28, 2009 at 1:23 PM

I don't know the "numbers" on satisfied health care customers in Canada (I'm sure there are many)  but I do know that of my five pen pals and their families, NONE of them are happy with it. And she said they pay premiums just like we do.

My friend had carpal tunnel surgery, the doctor did a horrible job and left a HUGE twisted scar. she said it looked like a Vet worked on her. The government told her if she wanted to fix the unsitely scary it would be "elective" surgery and she had to pay for it. My other (senior) friend has had her doctor changed on her many times, she said she has no choice in who she sees they are assigned.  Her husband needed heart surgery so they came to America and paid full price because they had an 8 month wait in Canada, and did not like the doctor they assigned.

My sister is a heart specilist RN is MO and said that many Canadians and other countries people come here for their heart surgery because they have to wait long periods if with their National Health Care programs.

 NOW THIS IS WHAT I WAS TOLD BY MY FRIENDS. But it scares me, I am battling stage 3 breast cancer right now, We pay $1,240 a month for our insurance! But I am getting the BEST care available I have no caps or limits and I pick my doctors.  There are patients on Medicaid who don't have access to the same newer drugs I can get.  (Like 6 anit-nausea pills for $750.)  I want to be in control of my health and my families, not the government, they can't do anything right and are nothing but red tape and waste.

I BELEVIE THE ANSWER IS TO PUT GOVERNMENT CONTROL ON PRICING. NO 5 MINUTE TEST IS WORTH $4,000 AND 6 PILLS AREN'T WORTH $750!  I BROKE A RIB AND WAS IN THE ER FOR 4 HOURS AND IT WAS $8,600!!!!  THEY DID NEXT TO NOTHING FOR ME.

 

MrsRStewart
by Bronze Member on Jul. 28, 2009 at 1:23 PM

I'll put this again for those of you who haven't seen it.  More Canadians have problems with the system than have luck with it.  The ones that get good health care usually are the ones who can pay for it.



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Della529
by on Jul. 28, 2009 at 1:24 PM

My gawd, does anyone research anything they hear on Faux News or receive from Blogs or e-mails (or YouTube Videos)?

Instead of conjecture, why not bring your facts?

athenax3
by on Jul. 28, 2009 at 1:35 PM

This isn't true- ( http://bcn.boulder.co.us/health/healthwatch/canada.html ) this is one article on the fact that most canadians very much like and defend their healthcare and wouldn't trade it. There are many, many MANY sources that are clear in their indication that Canadians are very happy to have their healthcare as well as the numerous benefits to them as a society. However, what is currently being proposed is NOTHING like canadian healthcare and so really  this has no bearing on the topic.

Quoting MrsRStewart:

I'll put this again for those of you who haven't seen it.  More Canadians have problems with the system than have luck with it.  The ones that get good health care usually are the ones who can pay for it.




athenax3
by on Jul. 28, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Myths and facts about healthcare reform

By Jeannine English
Sunday, July 19, 2009


The facts are clear: Healthcare in the U.S. costs too much, wastes too much, makes too many mistakes and returns too little value for our money. That's why, on behalf of our 40 million members, AARP believes Washington needs to take action now, so all Americans can have access to quality, affordable healthcare.

There are many naysayers who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo and will stop at nothing to derail healthcare reform. To save their profits, many will try to scare Americans with myths about legitimate proposals to lower healthcare costs.

Opponents of healthcare reform will use every tool at their disposal, including their ability to spend exorbitant amounts of money on television, newspaper and radio ads to spread their myths.

AARP is committed to exposing this misinformation campaign so that our nation can move toward the ultimate goal of quality, affordable healthcare for all Americans. Below are a few of the most popular myths about healthcare reform, followed by the facts to refute them:

Myth No. 1: We can't afford to fix healthcare because we're in a steep recession.

Fact: Our broken healthcare system is a big reason why we are in this economic crisis. We have to do everything we can to lower healthcare costs for individuals, for families, for businesses and for our entire economy.

According to a study in the American Journal of Medicine, 62 percent of all bankruptcies in 2007 were partly the result of medical expenses.

COBRA premiums cost laid-off workers four to six times more than what they paid for health insurance when they were employed. Health-insurance premiums for families and individuals are expected to nearly double in 10 years.

Myth No. 2: Health reform means socialized medicine.

Fact: This is simply not true. All proposals under serious consideration in Washington would leave employer-sponsored coverage in place and, with it, broad choices for people to pick their doctors and hospitals.

AARP would fight against any proposal that would prevent doctors or hospitals from giving the best possible care to their patients.

Myth No. 3: Health reform won't help people who already have insurance.

Fact: If you have insurance, you're already paying for the uninsured, through higher premiums and out-of-pocket-costs. One study estimated families pay $922 more, and individuals pay $341 extra per year to offset the costs of treating the uninsured.

The primary goal of healthcare reform is to lower costs for everyone, and that includes people who already have insurance.

Myth No. 4: Healthcare reform will force us to pay more for care that already costs too much.

Fact: The primary goal of healthcare reform is to lower the cost of care for everyone. There are many feasible ways to achieve this: lowering prescription drug prices by making generic versions of more drugs available; closing the Medicare "doughnut hole"; and permitting the Medicare program to negotiate prices with drug companies. Finally, we can reform how we pay doctors and hospitals to reward quality of care instead of simply quantity of care.

Myth No. 5: Healthcare reform will result in the government rationing healthcare.

Fact: There is nothing in current proposals that would give government the power to override the judgment of your doctor's treatment recommendations, and AARP would fight against any measure that would prevent doctors or hospitals from giving the best possible care to their patients.

These rationing claims refer to "comparative effectiveness research," which simply means giving doctors and patients the ability to compare different kinds of treatments to find out which one works best for which patient. Opponents of reform - like some drug companies and medical device makers - don't want this research because they fear it will cut the profits they make on ineffective drugs and equipment.

In short, we cannot let drug companies and others with a vested interest in the status quo use misinformation to derail efforts to lower healthcare costs for all Americans. The stakes are simply too high.

- Jeannine English is AARP California state president.


athenax3
by on Jul. 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Here's another-


With the debate over health care reform getting hot and heavy, opponents of President Barack Obama’s proposal have been feeding the public a lot of misinformation.  Unfortunately, one of my Examiner colleagues has joined them.

In an April 12 post, Watchdog Politics Examiner Martha Gore falsely characterized Obama's health care reform proposal as a “nationalized health care plan,” and Media Matters for America rightly took her to task for misinforming the public.
 
Let’s get our terminology straight.  Nationalized or socialized medicine is a health care system that is publicly financed and delivered, such as Great Britain’s National Health Service.  That is not part of Obama’s proposal or the Single Payer plan put forward in HR 676 and S 703.
 
The public health insurance option in Obama’s proposal and Single Payer both provide for health care that is public financed and privately delivered.  In effect, both would extend Medicare beyond the elderly, with everyone covered under Single Payer or having an opportunity to choose such a plan under Obama’s proposal.
 
While Single Payer would automatically cover everyone, the Obama option would give consumers a lower-cost alternative to private insurance.  Since the overhead for private insurance averages 30 percent, compared to only 4 percent for Medicare, such competition could force private insurers to become more responsive to consumer needs.
 
It should also be noted that under both Single Payer and the Obama proposal, patients have a free choice of doctors, while private insurance limits those covered to doctors within each insurer’s system.  It can sometimes be difficult to build a doctor-patient relationship under such an arrangement, as I personally found when I twice had to change primary care physicians when they stopped taking my insurance.
 
By putting profits ahead of everything else, the insurance companies are the primary cause of our broken health care system, and they are now fighting tooth and nail to maintain their racket.  Their fear is that they can’t compete profitably with the cheaper public insurance alternative proposed by Obama, leading many businesses to switch to it for employee health insurance.  Under this scenario, the public alternative would likely evolve into Single Payer.
 
Opponents of the Obama proposal also claim that it would undermine consumer choice in health care, but this argument is absurd.  When health insurance is provided by the employer, as is now the case, there is usually no choice for the employee.  They are stuck with whatever deal their employer can get, complete with co-pays, deductibles and exclusions that limit coverage.
 
Details on the Obama proposal are currently being worked on, and it is expected to be introduced in Congress in June.  We can look forward to a fierce debate, but don’t expect honesty from the opposition.

Author: Dave Hornstein


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