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I know some people don't appreciate good conspiracy theorizing but, hang in with me for just a minute... I was doing some thinking about the hc bill, the protesting and craziness this morning. 

If we want to get tactical about the whole thing, let's assume for a second that the administration DOES have some sinister agenda. Why would anyone think they'd outline it for us in the hc bill? Honestly, they wouldn't put anything in that piece they don't want people to find. What's paramount to winning a war? Don't underestimate your opponent! They're not just going to rest on the idea that the entire American population is stupid and no one would figure out that all the big, vague text actually meant "death panels". If they actually were that transparent, to me that would just be suggestive that they really AREN'T CAPABLE of carrying out a sinister agenda so, problem solved. But, in the interim of all the screaming matches and town hall fiascoes, HR 2749 passes the House and the protesters are looking crazier and crazier. Perhaps... since nothing in politics is an accident, they're trying to bait people into looking nuts, like a false alarm! I mean, that's what I would do... it would preemptively take out your opposition to clear the way.

lol. Call me insane, I don't care. Just a musing.

by on Aug. 16, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Replies (21-29):
PamR
by Pam on Aug. 17, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Blonde, I see you've managed to spend a little online time here this morning, so I'm anxiously awaiting your answers to the questions I posted yesterday.  Seriously.

How does providing healthcare for everyone equal elitism?

iluvmommyhood58
by Bronze Member on Aug. 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM

It doesn't. My conspiracy theory op here is based upon the idea that a group of elitists, powerful, influential and rich people, are the ones at the top... that the hc debate was a toy, a ball for the "little people" (ie: us) to kick around, causing everyone to choose teams, demonize the players who might prove tough in the future and distract us all to get other legislation through. I was suggesting that providing hc for everyone might not be about hc at all. 

Quoting PamR:

Blonde, I see you've managed to spend a little online time here this morning, so I'm anxiously awaiting your answers to the questions I posted yesterday.  Seriously.

How does providing healthcare for everyone equal elitism?


LilCaprica
by on Aug. 17, 2009 at 1:18 PM

I am farely new to this group, so I am not sure what side of the group I will be thrown in and that's okay, I am a pretty easy going person. I don't get uptight over what people say online, with that being said I do tend to agree with the fact that there is a bigger picture, I believe that there are people behind the scenes pulling the strings. And they always have. I think the world is just their entertainment. You make enough money and have enough power you can do anything you want and even more if your not seen. I have always felt that way.  I think after awhile these people get bored and decide to throw in an x-factor, like right now it is HC. JMO

Quoting iluvmommyhood58:

It doesn't. My conspiracy theory op here is based upon the idea that a group of elitists, powerful, influential and rich people, are the ones at the top... that the hc debate was a toy, a ball for the "little people" (ie: us) to kick around, causing everyone to choose teams, demonize the players who might prove tough in the future and distract us all to get other legislation through. I was suggesting that providing hc for everyone might not be about hc at all. 

Quoting PamR:

Blonde, I see you've managed to spend a little online time here this morning, so I'm anxiously awaiting your answers to the questions I posted yesterday.  Seriously.

How does providing healthcare for everyone equal elitism?



PamR
by Pam on Aug. 17, 2009 at 2:44 PM


Quote:

It doesn't. My conspiracy theory op here is based upon the idea that a group of elitists, powerful, influential and rich people, are the ones at the top... that the hc debate was a toy, a ball for the "little people" (ie: us) to kick around, causing everyone to choose teams, demonize the players who might prove tough in the future and distract us all to get other legislation through. I was suggesting that providing hc for everyone might not be about hc at all.

All I can say is I guess I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist.

Is it really so difficult to imagine that the president, as well as other lawmakers, are actually interested in doing what is right and trying to make sure that all Americans are covered by some form of health insurance?  Are we so completely cynical now that we can't even imagine that being the case?

iluvmommyhood58
by Bronze Member on Aug. 18, 2009 at 8:02 AM

I'm not saying that all would-be lawmakers are like this but I don't think you're naive enough to think there aren't evil people in this world. Money and power have the ability to change people. People with all the money they could ever need, who might find themselves with enough influence to give themselves "complete" power just might. It's not that these people would just want to squash the layman for the hell of it, it's that they honestly believe they are "chosen", they are the elite, they are entitled and we are their enemies who would stand in the way. These are corrupt minds. Things like eugenics, genocide, war.. are necessary compromises they must make to achieve their end.

And the politicians, the lawmakers are their means, puppets, chess pawns they control like the rest of us and are strategically placed. If one should have a crisis of conscience or for those who don't know for whom they truly work and discover and defect, I'm sure there are plenty of ways to make them bend or go away so that another of the many lined up for the job can take over. Perhaps some skeletons in the closet... get what I'm saying?

I'm sure you know about Mark Sanford. Before he was hung out to dry surrounding his Argentine mistress, he resisted accepting stimulus funds for SC because he believed it was part of a process to bring the state further under Federal control. How about Spitzer? He campaigned against stock price inflation by investment houses, predatory practices by mortgage lenders and mutual fund fraud and then we all know what happened to him. Or Blagojevich... the DAY before his arrest he declared that the state of Illinois would stop doing business with Bank of America, a member bank of The Fed. Sure these men were victims of their OWN indiscretions, it's just rather convenient. 

It is a very cynical view and not one that everyone wants to know. Unfortunately, evil exists in this world and as long as it does I'm the kind of person who wants to find truth (not saying this is it but pieces fit pretty well, if you know what I mean) no matter how much it hurts because the more people who are interested in truth, the better the chance fight the ills. I feel responsible to do so, even if it's just for me and my family. 

Quoting PamR:


Quote:

It doesn't. My conspiracy theory op here is based upon the idea that a group of elitists, powerful, influential and rich people, are the ones at the top... that the hc debate was a toy, a ball for the "little people" (ie: us) to kick around, causing everyone to choose teams, demonize the players who might prove tough in the future and distract us all to get other legislation through. I was suggesting that providing hc for everyone might not be about hc at all.

All I can say is I guess I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist.

Is it really so difficult to imagine that the president, as well as other lawmakers, are actually interested in doing what is right and trying to make sure that all Americans are covered by some form of health insurance?  Are we so completely cynical now that we can't even imagine that being the case?


iluvmommyhood58
by Bronze Member on Aug. 18, 2009 at 8:10 AM

Welcome to the group. :) Not for the timid. lol.  

In red, a very important factor to consider. But I don't think these people are just bored, I think they have a plan that has spanned for generations and will continue beyond themselves. These people believe they are special, their families are chosen etc..

Quoting LilCaprica:

I am farely new to this group, so I am not sure what side of the group I will be thrown in and that's okay, I am a pretty easy going person. I don't get uptight over what people say online, with that being said I do tend to agree with the fact that there is a bigger picture, I believe that there are people behind the scenes pulling the strings. And they always have. I think the world is just their entertainment. You make enough money and have enough power you can do anything you want and even more if your not seen. I have always felt that way.  I think after awhile these people get bored and decide to throw in an x-factor, like right now it is HC. JMO

Quoting iluvmommyhood58:

It doesn't. My conspiracy theory op here is based upon the idea that a group of elitists, powerful, influential and rich people, are the ones at the top... that the hc debate was a toy, a ball for the "little people" (ie: us) to kick around, causing everyone to choose teams, demonize the players who might prove tough in the future and distract us all to get other legislation through. I was suggesting that providing hc for everyone might not be about hc at all. 

Quoting PamR:

Blonde, I see you've managed to spend a little online time here this morning, so I'm anxiously awaiting your answers to the questions I posted yesterday.  Seriously.

How does providing healthcare for everyone equal elitism?




LilCaprica
by on Aug. 18, 2009 at 10:04 AM

 Thank you!  :) You can't be timid when it comes to politics..LOL! And I agree "Money and Power" can make some people feel very important and even feel like the "chosen." I don't buy into many conspiracies but I am not naive to not think that greater powers are behind certain things.

Just because you don't see it doesn't make it not there.

Quoting iluvmommyhood58:

Welcome to the group. :) Not for the timid. lol.  

In red, a very important factor to consider. But I don't think these people are just bored, I think they have a plan that has spanned for generations and will continue beyond themselves. These people believe they are special, their families are chosen etc..

Quoting LilCaprica:

I am farely new to this group, so I am not sure what side of the group I will be thrown in and that's okay, I am a pretty easy going person. I don't get uptight over what people say online, with that being said I do tend to agree with the fact that there is a bigger picture, I believe that there are people behind the scenes pulling the strings. And they always have. I think the world is just their entertainment. You make enough money and have enough power you can do anything you want and even more if your not seen. I have always felt that way.  I think after awhile these people get bored and decide to throw in an x-factor, like right now it is HC. JMO

Quoting iluvmommyhood58:

It doesn't. My conspiracy theory op here is based upon the idea that a group of elitists, powerful, influential and rich people, are the ones at the top... that the hc debate was a toy, a ball for the "little people" (ie: us) to kick around, causing everyone to choose teams, demonize the players who might prove tough in the future and distract us all to get other legislation through. I was suggesting that providing hc for everyone might not be about hc at all. 

Quoting PamR:

Blonde, I see you've managed to spend a little online time here this morning, so I'm anxiously awaiting your answers to the questions I posted yesterday.  Seriously.

How does providing healthcare for everyone equal elitism?





Della529
by Matlock on Aug. 18, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Please allow me to add other questions I've been asking of Blonde since Obama signed an executive order and recorded it in the Federal Register...

Where are the Palestinian refugees?  Has that $20.3 million for additional aid brought them here to the states like you claimed in a journal post in February of this year?

We're all dishonest, but her blogs are telling the truth, the only truth so help them God...ya' alrighty then. 

Quoting margroc:

Honestly you could start an entire post just on questions Blonde has not answered - and I'm dishonest? Yeah, right.

Quoting Raintree:

Okay, I'm going to list this weeks unanswereds here (just mine)-

Why did Reagan act as a lobbyist for the AMA?

Why are there three upside down pentagrams on the Republican logo?

Why do women need men to 'guide' them?

Quoting margroc:

Blonde, whatever......... I have asked you a million times to answer questions regarding Obama's "socialist policies"; other moms have asked you questions regarding the things you post - I don't believe you have ever answered anyone. So don't fricking call me dishonest - I'm really getting sick to my stomach of your name calling and then denying that you've done it. 

I don't live on the net either if that is what you are insinuating - I'm a single mom of a teenager, I work full time and have a home with a large yard to care for by myself - as a matter of fact today I cut down two trees in my back garden. So don't freaking tell me or anyone else they have no responsibilities.  Jesus H. Christ - you are freaking unbelievable.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting margroc:

pull up a chair Pam and pour yourself a cocktail cause you're gonna be waiting and waiting for an answer and when you do get a response you still won't get an answer 

Quoting PamR:

Which of Obama's advisors are Socialists?

What is the agenda that is being hidden?

Are all charming and charismatic people deceptive?

What are the underlying intentions and how will the dominate our personal lives?

 

For starters you 2.... I have made every effort to respond to the many comments directed to me in the past. And if you say otherwise...you are being dishonest. Now since you both seem to be intelligent women you should realize that not all the moms live on the net as some of you may. I just returned to this post & read your comments. My hubby is hungry & so am I... so I am goin' to prepare dinner + I have her others things to accomplish. I do have other responsibilities even if you don't!  So get off your liberal high horse & stop patting yourselves on the back! Will return later~

 


 


Della529
by Matlock on Aug. 18, 2009 at 11:14 AM

I believe this is possible and I believe it's happening.

Quoting iluvmommyhood58:

I'm not saying that all would-be lawmakers are like this but I don't think you're naive enough to think there aren't evil people in this world. Money and power have the ability to change people. People with all the money they could ever need, who might find themselves with enough influence to give themselves "complete" power just might. It's not that these people would just want to squash the layman for the hell of it, it's that they honestly believe they are "chosen", they are the elite, they are entitled and we are their enemies who would stand in the way. These are corrupt minds. Things like eugenics, genocide, war.. are necessary compromises they must make to achieve their end.

And the politicians, the lawmakers are their means, puppets, chess pawns they control like the rest of us and are strategically placed. If one should have a crisis of conscience or for those who don't know for whom they truly work and discover and defect, I'm sure there are plenty of ways to make them bend or go away so that another of the many lined up for the job can take over. Perhaps some skeletons in the closet... get what I'm saying?

I'm sure you know about Mark Sanford. Before he was hung out to dry surrounding his Argentine mistress, he resisted accepting stimulus funds for SC because he believed it was part of a process to bring the state further under Federal control. How about Spitzer? He campaigned against stock price inflation by investment houses, predatory practices by mortgage lenders and mutual fund fraud and then we all know what happened to him. Or Blagojevich... the DAY before his arrest he declared that the state of Illinois would stop doing business with Bank of America, a member bank of The Fed. Sure these men were victims of their OWN indiscretions, it's just rather convenient. 

It is a very cynical view and not one that everyone wants to know. Unfortunately, evil exists in this world and as long as it does I'm the kind of person who wants to find truth (not saying this is it but pieces fit pretty well, if you know what I mean) no matter how much it hurts because the more people who are interested in truth, the better the chance fight the ills. I feel responsible to do so, even if it's just for me and my family. 



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