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We're going to kill your children"

Posted by on Aug. 25, 2009 at 11:11 AM
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We're going to kill your children"

Mock executions and a favored Saddam technique, all endorsed by Cheney. Highlights of the CIA interrogation report


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Former Vice President Dick Cheney speaks about national security at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, May 21, 2009.

Aug. 25, 2009 | "The key to any strategy is accurate intelligence, and skilled professionals to get that information in time to use it ...The interrogations were used on hardened terrorists after other efforts failed. They were legal, essential, justified, successful, and the right thing to do. The intelligence officers who questioned the terrorists can be proud of their work and proud of the results, because they prevented the violent death of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of innocent people."

– Former Vice President Dick Cheney speaking at the American Enterprise Institute on May 21, 2009

Below are excerpts from the now declassified May 2004 inspector general's review of CIA interrogations during the so-called war on terror, which was released by the Obama administration on Monday afternoon in response to an ACLU lawsuit. Page numbers link to the actual page of the report. (You can read 24 selected pages of the report here, or download the whole report.) The report is heavily redacted.

(Darius Rejali, the author of "Torture and Democracy" and an expert on the history on the torture, told Salon that the use of a power drill as an implement of torture is fairly rare, but was favored by one recently deceased despot: Saddam Hussein.

[Blacked out] staged the incident, which included screaming and yelling outside the cell by other CIA officers and [blacked out] guards. When the guards moved the detainee from the interrogation room, they passed a guard who was dressed as a hooded detainee, lying motionless on the ground, and made it appear as if he had been shot to death. [Page 70]

During another incident [blacked out] the same Headquarters debriefer, according to a [blacked out] who was present, threatened Al-Nashiri by saying that if he did not talk, "We could get your mother in here," and, "We can bring your family in here" ... It was widely believed in Middle East circles that [blacked out] interrogation techniques involves sexually abusing female relatives in front of the detainee. [Pages 42 and 43]

An experienced Agency interrogator reported that the [interrogators] threatened Khalid Shaykh Muhammad [blacked out]. According to this interrogator, the [blacked out] interrogators said to Khalid Shaykh Muhammad that if anything else happens in the United States, "We're going to kill your children." [Page 43]

On another occasion [blacked out] said he had to intercede after [blacked out] expressed concern that Al-Nashiri's arms might be dislocated from his shoulders. [Blacked out] explained that, at the time, the interrogators were attempting to put Al-Nashiri in a standing stress position. Al-Nashiri was reportedly lifted off the floor by his arms while his arms were bound behind his back with a belt. [Page 44]

[Blacked out] interrogator reported that he witnessed ... the use of a stiff brush that was intended to induce pain on Al-Nashiri and standing on Al-Nashiri's shackles, which resulted in cuts and bruises. [Page 44]

The Review determined that interrogators used the waterboard on Khalid Shaykh Muhammad in a manner inconsistent with ... the description of the waterboard in the [Justice Department] opinion, in that the technique was used on Khalid Shaykh Muhammad a large number of times … The Attorney General was informed the waterboard had been used 119 times on a single individual ... Cables indicate that Agency interrogators [blacked out] applied the waterboard technique to Khalid Shaykh Muhammad 183 [blacked out]. [Pages 44 and 45]

In July 2002, [blacked out] operations officer, participated with another operations officer in a custodial interrogation of a detainee [blacked out] reportedly used a "pressure point" technique: with both of his hands on the detainee's neck, [blacked out] manipulated his fingers to restrict the detainee's carotid artery. [Page 69]

In December 2002, [blacked out] cable reported that a detainee was left in a cold room, shackled and naked, until he demonstrated cooperation. [Page 75]

According to [blacked out] and others who have worked [blacked out] "water dousing" has been used [blacked out] since early 2003 when [blacked out] officer introduced this technique to the facility. Dousing involves laying a detainee down on a plastic sheet and pouring water over him for 10 to 15 minutes. [Page 76]

The act of putting a detainee in a diaper can cause abrasions if the detainee struggles because the floor of the facility is concrete. [Page 77]

Inasmuch as (enhanced interrogation techniques) have been used only since August 2002, and they have not all been used with every high value detainee, there is limited data on which to assess their individual effectiveness. [Page 89]

From Appendix F: Draft [CIA Office of Medical Services] guidelines on Medical and Psychological support to detainee interrogations.

In our limited experience, extensive sustained use of the waterboard can introduce new risks. Most seriously, for reasons of physical fatigue or psychological resignation, the subject may simply give up, allowing excess filling of the airways and loss of consciousness. An unresponsive subject should be righted immediately, and the interrogator should deliver a sub-xyphoid thrust to expel the water. If this fails to restore normal breathing, aggressive medical intervention is required. [Page 9]


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kgsharber
by Member on Aug. 25, 2009 at 11:14 AM

I have ZERO sympathy for these people that were "tortured". These men committed horrible crimes that include assisting in Sadaam's genecide. They got what was coming to them.

Pepperlynns
by on Aug. 25, 2009 at 12:20 PM

This makes us no better than them.....


Raintree
by Ruby Member on Aug. 25, 2009 at 1:02 PM

I hate Cheney. And I don't spread the hate around a lot. But he's earned it, the bastard.

Yes, this makes US into THEM. Is that the message we want to throw at the world? Integrity? Who needs that?

The liberal person shall be enriched, and he who waters shall himself be watered. Proverbs 11:25

Serenity7
by on Aug. 25, 2009 at 2:07 PM

It don't surprise me. When America is attack. People who are questioning the terrorist with go beyond common sense to get the answer they need.

Gretchen2876
by Silver Member on Aug. 25, 2009 at 2:10 PM


Quoting Serenity7:

It don't surprise me. When America is attack. People who are questioning the terrorist with go beyond common sense to get the answer they need.


I'm sorry, but what??

The way I see it, isn't necessarily the way you see it. Or the way it is, or ought to be. What's more important, is that we're all looking for it, and a way to see it.


Desi DeNardo (via Starbucks coffee cup)

PamR
by Ruby Member on Aug. 25, 2009 at 2:13 PM

We condemn Saddam as an evil-doer, the former administration makes up reasons to go to war in Iraq because he must be taken out, and then we adopt his interrogation techniques?  Ironic?

Friday
by HRH of MJ on Aug. 25, 2009 at 2:13 PM


Quoting Raintree:

I hate Cheney. And I don't spread the hate around a lot. But he's earned it, the bastard.

Yes, this makes US into THEM. Is that the message we want to throw at the world? Integrity? Who needs that?

I'm with you, there is something wrong about that man.

I'll keep saying it, if we abandon our principles and ideals at the first sign of a threat then they didn't mean much to begin with.

 


Thank God......it's Friday!!!

PamR
by Ruby Member on Aug. 25, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Unfortunately, the people at the top who okay'd using this type of torture, including Cheney, will probably never be touched.  They'll let someone at a lower level take the fall.  

Vampee_Mom
by on Aug. 25, 2009 at 2:40 PM

I see Cheney and his ilk as being just as twisted as the people they claim to be trying to apprehend using these methods.

Doing what others do to you doesn't equal justice or righteous..   It just makes you JUST LIKE  them.

winkblinknod
by on Aug. 25, 2009 at 2:50 PM

goodI agree.

So those of you that think it's so awful,  am I to assume you wouldnt do anything to protect your family ?  They got important information that saved many people from another terrorist attack. 

Quoting kgsharber:

I have ZERO sympathy for these people that were "tortured". These men committed horrible crimes that include assisting in Sadaam's genecide. They got what was coming to them.


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