Michael Moore: Capitalism has proven it's failed
. As soon as they lost, essentially, our money, they came running to the federal government for a bailout -- for welfare, for socialism. And I thought the basic principle of capitalism was that it's a sink-or-swim situation. And those who do well, the cream rises to the top and, you know, those who invest their money wrongly or, you know, don't run their business the right way, then they don't do well.
America was built as a capitalist nation. I agree with Moore that it's sink-or-swim. What I DON'T agree with is the government bailing them out at all and then owning these businesses. For the record, I think Moore is an ass. But, the government was also an ass using our moey to bail these people out of debt. If my business was on the verge of bankruptcy tomorrow, could I make a call to the white house and sell out to them? Government needs to get out of business. Period. They have no place in the private sector.
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So youd rather we possiably go into another depression??? and rember that its not Obama whom got these bailouts going bush had it rolling before he left office.
Quoting resamerie:
. As soon as they lost, essentially, our money, they came running to the federal government for a bailout -- for welfare, for socialism. And I thought the basic principle of capitalism was that it's a sink-or-swim situation. And those who do well, the cream rises to the top and, you know, those who invest their money wrongly or, you know, don't run their business the right way, then they don't do well.
America was built as a capitalist nation. I agree with Moore that it's sink-or-swim. What I DON'T agree with is the government bailing them out at all and then owning these businesses. For the record, I think Moore is an ass. But, the government was also an ass using our moey to bail these people out of debt. If my business was on the verge of bankruptcy tomorrow, could I make a call to the white house and sell out to them? Government needs to get out of business. Period. They have no place in the private sector.
Although I think Michael Moore's film will be interesting, I wonder if he truly means capitalism or corporate greed. It is my feeling as a theory capitalism is good, it is also my feeling as a theory socialism is good. However, either of these in practice suffer from greed. Capitalism tends towards fascism and socialism tends toward communism. In my opinion, the real problem runs with greed and the creation of corporate cliques. I have the belief given study of economics that the market system if left alone will serve to make the balance. The problem with that inlies in the inability for both government and corporate interests to leave it alone. It also lies in the public refusing to use their purchasing power in a way that creates the needed balance. For instance Walmart is still flurishing despite many who protest their policies due to the fact that the general public would rather get cheap possibly harmful(think China recalls) items rather than drop that market. Dropping Walmart, along with consumer willingness to pay, would cause the other store prices to come down to a reasonable level as that would put natural caps on the market. Now at this time in the stock market we are seeing how government even those outside the US can drive the markets by purchasing our stocks and raising the levels. Its artificial inflation creates the backdrop to continue corporate greed. Naturally a market would adjust but when you have an unlimited driving force such as those who print the money inflating it, it can never do this. Likewise socialism, suffers to greed as seen through a different method that those who should be looking out for the people forms similar cliques and seek control. The result is communism as seen in China.
Good points.
Quoting stormcris:
Although I think Michael Moore's film will be interesting, I wonder if he truly means capitalism or corporate greed. It is my feeling as a theory capitalism is good, it is also my feeling as a theory socialism is good. However, either of these in practice suffer from greed. Capitalism tends towards fascism and socialism tends toward communism. In my opinion, the real problem runs with greed and the creation of corporate cliques. I have the belief given study of economics that the market system if left alone will serve to make the balance. The problem with that inlies in the inability for both government and corporate interests to leave it alone. It also lies in the public refusing to use their purchasing power in a way that creates the needed balance. For instance Walmart is still flurishing despite many who protest their policies due to the fact that the general public would rather get cheap possibly harmful(think China recalls) items rather than drop that market. Dropping Walmart, along with consumer willingness to pay, would cause the other store prices to come down to a reasonable level as that would put natural caps on the market. Now at this time in the stock market we are seeing how government even those outside the US can drive the markets by purchasing our stocks and raising the levels. Its artificial inflation creates the backdrop to continue corporate greed. Naturally a market would adjust but when you have an unlimited driving force such as those who print the money inflating it, it can never do this. Likewise socialism, suffers to greed as seen through a different method that those who should be looking out for the people forms similar cliques and seek control. The result is communism as seen in China.
For the record, I was never a fan of Bush either. As far as another depression, I'm pretty sure that we're just about there. The stimulus package did nothing to save jobs. Obama promised unemployment would not go over 8% with his stimulus bill. It is now at 9.5%. It's starting to show that bailing out these companies did nothing to help the economy. Talking about Bush or Obama. Maybe, just maybe, if the government would start spending more of those dollars in America instead of outsourcing labor to foriegn countries it would help to stimulize the economy and put Americans back to work. But that's not what's happening. Businesses need to be held accountable for their actions. There should be no more free ride. And it's the 'Fat Cat' businesses that don't know what it's like to go without a meal that are receiving these funds, using it up on bonuses to theirselves and then looking around wondering why they're broke again. The banks sure the hell never bailed me out of anything, but yet they want it from me? LOL
Quoting mamaof2angles:
So youd rather we possiably go into another depression??? and rember that its not Obama whom got these bailouts going bush had it rolling before he left office.
Quoting resamerie:
. As soon as they lost, essentially, our money, they came running to the federal government for a bailout -- for welfare, for socialism. And I thought the basic principle of capitalism was that it's a sink-or-swim situation. And those who do well, the cream rises to the top and, you know, those who invest their money wrongly or, you know, don't run their business the right way, then they don't do well.
America was built as a capitalist nation. I agree with Moore that it's sink-or-swim. What I DON'T agree with is the government bailing them out at all and then owning these businesses. For the record, I think Moore is an ass. But, the government was also an ass using our moey to bail these people out of debt. If my business was on the verge of bankruptcy tomorrow, could I make a call to the white house and sell out to them? Government needs to get out of business. Period. They have no place in the private sector.
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Not all states are suffering and not ALL business outsource. And sorry but there is a BIG difference between a recession and a depression and we are not even that close to a depression. Thats part of the problem with today's society is they expect the "quick" fix and if they dont see it in say a month (example) they say it doenst work or what not. Our unemployment is not that high at all,and sorry that alot of people got laid off from big corporations, another problem is since most of these people have been accustomed to a certain life style they REFUSE to take a job that would pay way less than they were making. I have seen it 1st hand here, there are people whom think that they should get $13 an hour to work at the front desk.
Quoting resamerie:
For the record, I was never a fan of Bush either. As far as another depression, I'm pretty sure that we're just about there. The stimulus package did nothing to save jobs. Obama promised unemployment would not go over 8% with his stimulus bill. It is now at 9.5%. It's starting to show that bailing out these companies did nothing to help the economy. Talking about Bush or Obama. Maybe, just maybe, if the government would start spending more of those dollars in America instead of outsourcing labor to foriegn countries it would help to stimulize the economy and put Americans back to work. But that's not what's happening. Businesses need to be held accountable for their actions. There should be no more free ride. And it's the 'Fat Cat' businesses that don't know what it's like to go without a meal that are receiving these funds, using it up on bonuses to theirselves and then looking around wondering why they're broke again. The banks sure the hell never bailed me out of anything, but yet they want it from me? LOL
Quoting mamaof2angles:
So youd rather we possiably go into another depression??? and rember that its not Obama whom got these bailouts going bush had it rolling before he left office.
Quoting resamerie:
. As soon as they lost, essentially, our money, they came running to the federal government for a bailout -- for welfare, for socialism. And I thought the basic principle of capitalism was that it's a sink-or-swim situation. And those who do well, the cream rises to the top and, you know, those who invest their money wrongly or, you know, don't run their business the right way, then they don't do well.
America was built as a capitalist nation. I agree with Moore that it's sink-or-swim. What I DON'T agree with is the government bailing them out at all and then owning these businesses. For the record, I think Moore is an ass. But, the government was also an ass using our moey to bail these people out of debt. If my business was on the verge of bankruptcy tomorrow, could I make a call to the white house and sell out to them? Government needs to get out of business. Period. They have no place in the private sector.
Michael Moore is a big, fat, hypocrit! He hates capitalism ...yet he isn't letting everyone see his movie for FREE is he? No. He is raking in his profits because he has found a niche. Something he is good at....which is picking a "cause" and then capitalizing on it through the gullable American people who buy into his b.s. He doesn't even follow what he claims he believes in. HE'S A FAKE! He's a "poser" as my dd puts it. Anyone who falls for his "RHETORIC" is an imbasil. I don't care how many Academy Awards he has gotten.....that's just Big Hollywood and nothing else. """Yeah...down with Capitalism but UP with making millions at the box office.""" What a freakin' GOON!
A lesson in the benefits of socialism. (This is a real simple principal here...not hard to figure)
By Amy L. Geiger-Hemmer
A Lesson in Socialism's "benefits":
An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had never failed a single student before but had, once, failed an entire class. That class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said ok, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism. All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A. (everyone equal)
After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. But, as the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too; so they studied little.. The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around the average was an F. The scores never increased as bickering, blame, name calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great; but when government takes all the reward away; no one will try or want to succeed.
Could not be any simpler than that….
This is the direction that the Obama Administration is leading the United States. This is the "hope" and "change."
We should be running for our lives from anything implicating turning our country completely Socialist. You may get healthcare....but what AREN'T YOU GOING TO GET IN THE FUTURE? What are your children going to not have opportunities at? Then their children? Is that fair to them for a little healthcare now?? WAKE UP! WAKE UP!!!
NO MATTER WHO OR WHAT IS TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU THAT IT WILL BE BETTER...It will not be better for the PEOPLE in the big picture and in a few years....It will only be better for the GOVERNMENT and the people running it now! Our standard of living will not affect THEIRS, they will continue on as the "elite" and we will not.
YOU CANNOT UPGRADE EVERYONE'S STANDARD OF LIVING WITH SOCIALISM (or make everyone wealthier than they are now{THAT'S YOU AND ME AND OUR FAMILIES},... so if you don't have much now....you'll have even LESS shortly) BY SPREADING THE WEALTH AROUND.....BUT...YOU CAN MAKE EVERYONE EQUAL and make them HAVE LESS and be POOR) and KEEP THEM THAT WAY TOO. WHEN YOU GET TIRED OF BEING POOR AND STRUGGLING IN A SOCIALIST SOCIETY....YOU CAN'T MOVE UP....YOU CAN ONLY STAY WHERE YOUR SITUATION IS OR MOVE DOWN. THIS IS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE FROM SOCIALIST NATIONS COME TO AMERICA (the Capitalist Nation) TO BETTER THEIR SITUATION and their lives. They get tired of getting no where in a government owned and ran society. Someone the other day was saying "how great" the healthcare was in Mexico and how cheap it was. Yes, but look at how the people live there. Not in the tourist towns that you see....I mean the rest of the country!!!! When people cannot better themselves no matter how hard they try....they then lose HOPE. When you lose HOPE and cannot better yourself, well....you just give up eventually because you cannot get ahead in life. Have you ever seen the "colonias" in Mexico? They live in substandard cinderblock houses about 600sq ft of living space. No car and ride government ran buses everywhere they go. .....and you think SOCIALISM for this country is going to BETTER YOUR LIFE AND YOUR CHILDRENS LIVES.
You better be thinking more seriously about what socialism really means for your future and the future of your children and their children. STOP falling for this rhetoric that you are hearing that there is nothing to fear in SOCIALISM. You are falling right in line with what they want....and it's not going to benefit YOU in any way! Capitalism is what has made America the greatest nation on earth. Of course other countries want to see us CHANGE....then we'll be less than ..as they are.
Capitalism: A Love Story (2009)http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810045454/details
What is the price that America pays for its love of capitalism? Years ago, that love seemed so innocent. Today, however, the American dream is looking more like a nightmare as families pay the price with their jobs, their homes and their savings. Michael Moore takes us into the homes of ordinary people whose lives have been turned upside down; and he goes looking for explanations in Washington, DC and elsewhere. What he finds are the all-too-familiar symptoms of a love affair gone astray: lies, abuse, betrayal¿and 14,000 jobs being lost every day.
I think....it's all part of giving the image that capitalism has "failed" so the people will be scared into thinking that we NEED the government to manage everything for us. They want their hands on the private sector and they've got it.....part of it so far. We'll see how things work out in the long run when everyone is fair and equal after 'spreading the wealth around'. You cannot make an entire country wealthy ....but you CAN VERY QUICKLY make everyone EQUALLY POOR! So if you think you're situation is not too good right now....just wait! It's not rocket science.....it's tactics that have been practiced over and over in other countries and this is why America was the wealthiest nation. Now....we're going to be brought down to the level of others. The government will handle all the money and we will work to never get ahead.
RANT!!!!!!
All of these bailouts and who started it and who finished it etc etc .....ISN'T going to MATTER in the final outcome IF socialism gets a grip in this country. The fact is.....socialism has been seen all over the world in many countries. None of those people in those countries were truly able to live as Americans do. So, in the next several years....if you want to give up the home you have now for a lesser , the cars you drive now for a lesser, the spending you do now for less......and I'm just figuring that alot of us here on CM for example probably come from Upper Middle/ Middle/Lower Middle/Poor class families(just a guess). Unless we have some millionaires on here? Where do we go from here? down. No where to go but DOWN. I've struggled all my life FOR THIS NOW??? No, I don't want any part of it. I'm not selling my damn soul for a piece of "healthcare". I'll keep what I have and buy my OWN health insurance. I can't believe that people have the nerve to call this "rhetoric" and scare tactics.....fear mongering. When I saw Barack Obama stand there and talk himself about how spreading the wealth would be great and all......he's a sack of sh..t ! Thanks, we'll keep our hard earned money. My DH just drove for 2 weeks straight without getting to sleep in his own bed one night and now you want OUR MONEY to give to someone else. f..OFF Buddy. He can shove it!
I have a friend in Germany. Her husband is a Judge. She says "Kelly, my husband is a Judge here but Judges here are not the same as in America. They are appointed jobs and they don't pay much like you see in the U.S." She said "they study for years and then only to get paid very little salary. We are in our 40's, no children because we don't feel we can afford it and are still unable to afford our own home because of the way things are here". How will that be for America??......Oh, people think it all sounds so good right now...until the businesses start closing like dominoes falling over and that reaction will have more jobless and more losses and to me....it's all HOPE-LESS. Not HopeFUL. The Unemployment rate right now is about 16% I think.....not just counting the people getting unemployment checks but with the people who have RUN OUT of unemployment checks already. They are still jobless.......I hate the way they say it's 8% right now and don't count all the unemployed who have run out of their benefits. Stuff like this just pisses me OFF. Damn Government.
Maybe I'm just blowing off steam here but.........I'm not letting anyone convince me to take what little my family has worked for and give it to someone else who doesn't deserve it. They can kiss my @ss..
By the way...this isn't "parroting"...these are things my DH and I talk about on a daily basis for over a year now.........that's why it comes right off the top of my head. Tonight...I'm ANGRY.
I just happened to see this figure today and remembered it was highest since '83
September 24, 2009
NPR
August's Unemployment Rate Highest Since 1983
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112551021
The Labor Department reported on Friday that the unemployment rate jumped almost half a point to 9.7 percent in August
Quoting mamaof2angles:
Not all states are suffering and not ALL business outsource. And sorry but there is a BIG difference between a recession and a depression and we are not even that close to a depression. Thats part of the problem with today's society is they expect the "quick" fix and if they dont see it in say a month (example) they say it doenst work or what not. Our unemployment is not that high at all,and sorry that alot of people got laid off from big corporations, another problem is since most of these people have been accustomed to a certain life style they REFUSE to take a job that would pay way less than they were making. I have seen it 1st hand here, there are people whom think that they should get $13 an hour to work at the front desk.
Quoting resamerie:
For the record, I was never a fan of Bush either. As far as another depression, I'm pretty sure that we're just about there. The stimulus package did nothing to save jobs. Obama promised unemployment would not go over 8% with his stimulus bill. It is now at 9.5%. It's starting to show that bailing out these companies did nothing to help the economy. Talking about Bush or Obama. Maybe, just maybe, if the government would start spending more of those dollars in America instead of outsourcing labor to foriegn countries it would help to stimulize the economy and put Americans back to work. But that's not what's happening. Businesses need to be held accountable for their actions. There should be no more free ride. And it's the 'Fat Cat' businesses that don't know what it's like to go without a meal that are receiving these funds, using it up on bonuses to theirselves and then looking around wondering why they're broke again. The banks sure the hell never bailed me out of anything, but yet they want it from me? LOL
Quoting mamaof2angles:
So youd rather we possiably go into another depression??? and rember that its not Obama whom got these bailouts going bush had it rolling before he left office.
Quoting resamerie:
. As soon as they lost, essentially, our money, they came running to the federal government for a bailout -- for welfare, for socialism. And I thought the basic principle of capitalism was that it's a sink-or-swim situation. And those who do well, the cream rises to the top and, you know, those who invest their money wrongly or, you know, don't run their business the right way, then they don't do well.
America was built as a capitalist nation. I agree with Moore that it's sink-or-swim. What I DON'T agree with is the government bailing them out at all and then owning these businesses. For the record, I think Moore is an ass. But, the government was also an ass using our moey to bail these people out of debt. If my business was on the verge of bankruptcy tomorrow, could I make a call to the white house and sell out to them? Government needs to get out of business. Period. They have no place in the private sector.
That not Montana's unemployment nice way of taking my words out of context. thanks you have proven what I have said before.
Quoting KellyGirl_TX:
I just happened to see this figure today and remembered it was highest since '83
September 24, 2009
NPR
August's Unemployment Rate Highest Since 1983http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112551021
The Labor Department reported on Friday that the unemployment rate jumped almost half a point to 9.7 percent in August
Quoting mamaof2angles:
Not all states are suffering and not ALL business outsource. And sorry but there is a BIG difference between a recession and a depression and we are not even that close to a depression. Thats part of the problem with today's society is they expect the "quick" fix and if they dont see it in say a month (example) they say it doenst work or what not. Our unemployment is not that high at all,and sorry that alot of people got laid off from big corporations, another problem is since most of these people have been accustomed to a certain life style they REFUSE to take a job that would pay way less than they were making. I have seen it 1st hand here, there are people whom think that they should get $13 an hour to work at the front desk.
Quoting resamerie:
For the record, I was never a fan of Bush either. As far as another depression, I'm pretty sure that we're just about there. The stimulus package did nothing to save jobs. Obama promised unemployment would not go over 8% with his stimulus bill. It is now at 9.5%. It's starting to show that bailing out these companies did nothing to help the economy. Talking about Bush or Obama. Maybe, just maybe, if the government would start spending more of those dollars in America instead of outsourcing labor to foriegn countries it would help to stimulize the economy and put Americans back to work. But that's not what's happening. Businesses need to be held accountable for their actions. There should be no more free ride. And it's the 'Fat Cat' businesses that don't know what it's like to go without a meal that are receiving these funds, using it up on bonuses to theirselves and then looking around wondering why they're broke again. The banks sure the hell never bailed me out of anything, but yet they want it from me? LOL
Quoting mamaof2angles:
So youd rather we possiably go into another depression??? and rember that its not Obama whom got these bailouts going bush had it rolling before he left office.
Quoting resamerie:
. As soon as they lost, essentially, our money, they came running to the federal government for a bailout -- for welfare, for socialism. And I thought the basic principle of capitalism was that it's a sink-or-swim situation. And those who do well, the cream rises to the top and, you know, those who invest their money wrongly or, you know, don't run their business the right way, then they don't do well.
America was built as a capitalist nation. I agree with Moore that it's sink-or-swim. What I DON'T agree with is the government bailing them out at all and then owning these businesses. For the record, I think Moore is an ass. But, the government was also an ass using our moey to bail these people out of debt. If my business was on the verge of bankruptcy tomorrow, could I make a call to the white house and sell out to them? Government needs to get out of business. Period. They have no place in the private sector.
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