C-sections, a way for hospitals to rape our health-care system!

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  • ThinkTwice08
  on Nov. 10, 2009 at 6:53 AM

• You said it sister!!!

  In 2003, U.S. hospitals charged an average of

  • $15,519 for a c-section with complications
  • $11,524 for a c-section with no complications
  • $8,177 for a vaginal birth with complications
  • $6,239 for a vaginal birth with no complications.

  These figures from the U.S. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality are displayed in a labor and birth charges graph (PDF).

  Great maternity/birthing Info:    http://www.childbirthconnection.org/article.asp?ck=10285

  
  

  Quoting doulala:
  
  

  Not personal cesarean experience here, but I read about this stuff~    it's more about managing labor.  
  Doctors love that they are able to control something that isn't really controllable~  or shouldn't be.   And a hefty price tag on a major surgery might make sense...   
  But does one in three women NEED this surgery??    They are usually told that they do need it.   But how can that many women "not work" right??  

  Women DO work, they aren't "broken," but have put too much blind faith in their care provider.   And that person has too busy a schedule to be able to sit around while women give birth normally.    That takes too long! 

  
  

  
  

  "A successful VBAC occurs about73% of the time. If a hospital bans VBAC, they're basically telling  73% of women that they have to undergo a surgical procedure that carries
  more morbidity than if they had a vaginal birth. That's outrageous to
  me."    ~Dr. Stuart Fischbein

  
  

  
  

  
  

  "There is no scientific evidence that doing over 10 percent of births
  
  with a cesarean improves the outcome for the woman or improves the
  
  outcome for the baby."          ~Dr. Marsden Wagner

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  Christian- Libertarian, NON-vaxing, Natural child birthing, Breastfeeding, Non-circumsizing, Earth- friendly, mom of  One Happy, Healthy baby boy!

  
  

  "Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who could not hear the music." -Angela Monet

  

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  • Daynaof3
  on Nov. 10, 2009 at 9:33 AM

• This is too little information about what happened during labor to be used as an example. Was she induced? Did she receive any interventions?

  If she was in a hospital and being continuously monitored, why didn't the doctor notice any signs of fetal distress? Did she have any other risk factors increasing her chances of uterine rupture?

  Babies who are born without labor interventions can and do withstand long labors, labor is long. It's when things get pushed along that babies cannot withstand labor, when labor is augmented to speed it up and artificially induced contractions are too strong that babies have problems. The average length of labor for first time moms is 14 hours, though some women labor longer and some shorter. In a hospital they "expect" 1 cm of dialation per hour, if you don't dialate that fast it's considered a slow labor and interventions are started. So if most women average 14 hours, why are they "expected" to dialate completely in only 10? That makes no sense! Why is labor even being limited to begin with, we all work differently. If that's the case wouldn't it make more sense to not suggest intervention until 1)after 14 hours as long as baby is tolerating labor and 2)unless there is a medical need to speed along labor?

  I believe if it ain't broke don't fix it, if we all let fear rule our decisions then we would walk into the hospitals asking for c-sections because something "might" go wrong but it most likely won't. The WHO recommends c-section levels of no higher than 15%, why are we excepting rates as much as 2-3 times higher than that as acceptable? Why do women actually believe they are broken?

  What is the added likelihood that the scar will give way (uterine rupture) during a VBAC labor?

  Best research suggests that an extra 27 women experience a ruptured uterus in every 10,000 VBAC labors, compared with planned c-section deliveries. Thus, nearly 400 women would need to experience surgical birth to prevent one instance of uterine rupture during VBAC labors. While the scar giving way usually requires an urgent cesarean, loss of the baby is much less common (see next paragraph).
  Added likelihood for a woman with a known low-transverse (horizontal) scar: MODERATE for scar rupture compared with planned repeat c-section.
  
  What is the added likelihood that the baby will die as a result of the scar giving way (uterine rupture) during a VBAC labor?

  Best research suggests that about 1.4 extra babies die due to problems with the scar in every 10,000 VBAC labors, compared with planned c-section deliveries. Thus, over 7,000 women would need to experience risks of surgical birth to prevent the death of 1 baby from scar problems during VBAC.
  Added likelihood for a woman with a known low-transverse (horizontal) scar: LOW for death of the baby around the time of birth compared with repeat c-section.
  

  Quoting Waycross48:
  
  

  Hello from Nana Judy!  I do understand some of your anger.  But, there's another side to this.  NO -I'm not a doctor and there's not a doctor in my family so I have no reason so stand up for them.  Unnecessary C-sections are out of control in this country but so are law suits brought by patients.  I sat and watched a doctor loose his liscense in a medical review board case because he allowed a woman to have her baby vaginally after having had a previous C-section.  The medical board said he should have known the risk of her uterus tearing after having had a c-section.  He wanted to allow her to have a vaginal birth and that's what she wanted.  But, her baby died and she nearly bled to death.  SO, you have to consider this from a doctor's point of view.  Malpractice insurance rates are out of sight.  Even though this doctor had numerous women who testified that they were happy with his level of care - he lost his liscense for the rest of his life because he should have known the risk of allowing her to deliver vaginally after having a c-section.  Yes, there ARE doctors who will perform a ceserean so that a celebrity can "plan" her delivery and they do it to avoid the stress to the mother of a long labor.  Even though a woman might be able to tolerate a long 19 or 24 hour labor -  the baby often cannot.  Their heart rate will drop and they have to get the baby out quickly.  Years ago, these babies would have died as a result of a doctor allowing the mother to continue to labor to the point that it affected her ability to push and the baby's heart rate would drop because they were not tolerating labor.  So - there's no ONE answer to this problem.  Doctors these days are caught between doing the best they can do for their patients and worrying about being sued if a patient or her baby dies because of what he does.  There is a fairly small chance of a uterus rupturing during a vaginal delivery after having had a c-section - but do YOU want to be a part of that 1%.  I don't think I would.  I surely would not have wanted my daughter-in-law to be that one and risked loosing my grandchildren.  So, this is an issue that cannot be painted with a broad brush.  There are too many variables and too many sides to consider.  God Bless you - Nana judy

  
  

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  • MrsCanCan
  on Nov. 10, 2009 at 11:31 AM

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  Quoting redneck_proud:
  
  

  
  

  Quoting MrsCanCan:
  
  

   I had a C-section...and will continue to have them...Love em and wouldnt want it to be any other way. I acually requested it with my first lol.

  Are you kidding??? I hope so because I would NEVER EVER request a c-section! That is just crazy. I would have loved to have a vaginal birth, but my ds had other ideas. I dialated to 5 and he wanted to sit sideways and get stuck on my hip then his heart rate went into decels, so yep emergency c-section. I still have pains in my scar and it was 5 1/2 years ago.
  

  Nope not kidding,  It was a great experiance. I got the epidoral when i first when in. My husband was getting ready to ship out to iraq that same day.  When i went in my husband was in there and we got to talk to each other and just wait for the drs to do there thing...there was absolutly no pain during or after. I had my daughter at a naval hospital so we new most of the drs and nurses it was great! I was up and walking about 3 hours after.
  

  

  
  

  
  

  
  

   

  
  

  
  

  
  

   

  
  

  
  

  
  

   

  
  

  
  

  
  

   

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