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Dog Owners!!!! Please Help!!

Posted by on Nov. 16, 2009 at 11:16 PM
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Anyone else have a lab or any other dog that gets ear infections??

My Yellow lab has chronic ear infections (yeast infection not bacterial--so the vets say they are harder to get rid of...) I have been to no less than FOUR different vets trying to help the poor girl.

I've tried EVERYTHING except a witch doctor. One doctor had to anesthetize her just to clean them out really well and a different doctor had to anesthetize her JUST to look at them really well! Three of the Four docs said that it was chronic and she would just have 'to deal with it.' The fourth doc offered some hope, but then dashed it by concluding that it was just something that labs are prone to.

I clean them out with a cotton ball (gently of course) and use C10 when I can (sometimes they are just too painful) and Mometamax when the poor thing is in pain (I think that is just some doggie neosporin). There are times when I have to leave them completely alone for a day or two just to get the inflamation to go down.

I have NO problem taking her back to the vet, but I thought I'd ask you mamas if you have any advice! If you have any meds that you give your dogs (or home remedies as well--the vets have told me to use diluted vinegar and diluted peroxide--which just seems to KEEP the ears moist) I would love to hear it! If you do have meds--can you tell me what they are called so I can go in armed with some info and ask the vet if this would work? I'm researching it on the internet but all I'm getting is home remedies...

Any help would be much appreciated by me and my poor dog!!!! She is the sweetest thing and I can't stand to see her in pain and feel so helpless about it...

by on Nov. 16, 2009 at 11:16 PM
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Aamy
by Gold Member on Nov. 16, 2009 at 11:20 PM

Hmmm have you tried just getting some monistat and rubbing it into her ears ? Let her eat plain yogurt ??



 


PregoDiana
by on Nov. 16, 2009 at 11:49 PM

=(  Poor thing!  Where do you live?

Im a vet tech, so I dont want to come across as a "know-it-all" but I hope I can help a little! =)

  Did the vets talk to you about this possibly being an allergy?  Thats probably what they mean by "chronic".  Animals allergic response is skin and ears where as humans is more upper respiratory.  So for animals, their skin and ears can produce an abundance of wax.  For your girl, its her ears.  All this wax sits there, and then turns into a yeast infection.  So yes, if whatever she is allergic to is still there, she will keep getting them. 

What could she be allergic to is the question? =)  If its YEAR ROUND problems, then we lean more towards thinking a food allergy.  Maybe you should ask about putting her on a hypo-allergenic food trial (NO OTHER FOODS OR TREATS OF ANY KIND) for 3 months.  If the ear problems go away after this (along with medication of course for the first part), we try offering a week of the "old food".  If the ear problem suddenly comes back, then BAM, we know it was the food, and then keeping her on a hypo-allergenic food normally does the trick.  Is it seasonal?  Meaning the problem seems to pop up the same time frame every year?  Then we lean towards an environmental allergy.  Dust, pollens (flowers, trees, etc.), molds...... of course, these are nearly IMPOSSIBE to find the trigger.  This is when we send our patients to a dermatologist who can do testing and find out what it is, and create a medication regiment to fit whats best.


Some meds ot talk to the Dr about.....

prednisone (steroid to get rid of the imflamation). 

Mometemax is good. (its an antibiotic and antifungal for the yeast).

Gentizol (very similar to Mometemax)

BKT (compounded wax mixture that is instilled in the ear (while awake normally) that sits and works WONDERS for 2 weeks, but does not need to be removed .  This is the ONLY thing I will now use on my dog who has an environmental allergy.  I cant for the life of me right now think of what the BKT stands for, but it is also antifungal, and antibiotic.  We compound ours through the Roadrunner Veterinary Pharmacy in AZ (we are in CA).  I will check tomorrow for the actual name of the drug and get back to you. =)  But not having to clean and medicate the ears daily is WONDERFUL.

ANY oral antibiotic can also help (Cephalexin, Antirobe, Baytril, etc.)


And also, ask about doing an ear culture.  They can send a sample of the ear debris to their laboratory and have it cultered (aka, they grow things in it and test it on TONS of antibiotics ot find what it may be resistant to and what would actually WORK as a treatment!).  You would be surprised just how weird it is that different forms of yeast and whatnot are resistant to the most commonly used antibiotics.  And every case is different.  Some people like to start here so that they dont waste their time trying tons of different antibiotic routes and can get it "right" the 1st time.

 Is she nervous, fearful?  too painful?  Or too rambuncious?  Why are they sedating her?  I understand if she is fearful aggressive, way too painful, or hyper that they might.  But alot of times it just takes the right tech/Dr match and the animals are great with good restraint to get an ear exam and cleaning done.  =( 


I hope you find a good vet to take care of your girl!

Let me know if you are northern CA for any reason and I can direct you to someone good! =)

GOOD LUCK HUN!  And good job for trying so hard already!  I know ear problems are no fun.  They are our #1 case we see..... but northern CALI is allergy HEAVEN!  animals AND humans! =P

rachelv817
by on Nov. 16, 2009 at 11:49 PM

I don't know if it works for dogs, so you should probably consult the vet before doing it, but for people, buy some grape seed oil ear drops at the health food store and it clears them right up.  My brother had chronic ear infections as a little boy, and nothing, not even antibiotics helped, but the drops made them go away and they stayed away better too!

momofne
by on Nov. 17, 2009 at 7:19 AM

I was thinking possibly allergies too.


themountainmama
by on Nov. 17, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Do you have prescription drops for canine fungal infection?  The drops are to be used twice a day for about a week-10 days, clears right up.   

boodles75
by on Nov. 17, 2009 at 9:18 AM

We had a bullmastiff that had the same problem.  We were given a prescription ear rinse (I think it was chlorohexidine??? I could be wrong about the name).  It worked really well but we had to really keep up on it.  Our vet showed us how to clean his ears out with q-tips after squirting the rinse in and massaging the ear. The anatomy of our ear is really different than that of the dogs so he said you cannot hurt the ear by sticking q-tips in to clean out the wax. We got lucky and his infections cleared up.  I worked as a tech for a veterinary surgeon and have included a link for a surgery that he did on chronic ear infection dogs.  This is not something your normal vet should do - you should ask for a referral to a  board certified surgeon.  If you think that it is allergies you may want to ask for a referral to a specialist.  The pracitce that I worked for had a dermatolagist in once a week to conduct allergy tests on their dogs to pinpoint what the dog was allergic to.

http://www.vetsurgerycentral.com/ear_ablation.htm

tmfanning
by on Nov. 17, 2009 at 10:41 AM

I don't have a specified answer or cure for you but I do have three dogs and I do know that sometimes diet and vitamin supplements help to alleviate the bacteria growth. Perhaps Google research holistic dog suppliments and see what you come up with. It is less expensive than a vet visit.

http://www.theplaydatekids.com

momoftwins240
by on Nov. 17, 2009 at 11:57 AM

We have the same issue with our dachshunds.  The vet told us that that is just the way it is with dogs who have floppy ears that hang down instead of stand up.  The vet just told us to use peroxide on a cotton ball and swab out their ears once a week.  It has worked for us. 

gogetem
by on Nov. 17, 2009 at 12:06 PM

The second time I took my dog to the vet for an ear infection they ended up putting him to sleep and they found a fox tail lodged deep down inside his ear cannal.  They can actually be deadly!

A couple weeks later, I had to go to the doc to get one out of MY ear after doing yard work. lol  Of course, that doesn't mean your dog definitely has one.  Ear infections are fairly common in floppy eared dogs.... especially cocker spaniels.

 

 

Mandipants
by on Nov. 17, 2009 at 12:06 PM


Quoting PregoDiana:

=(  Poor thing!  Where do you live?

Im a vet tech, so I dont want to come across as a "know-it-all" but I hope I can help a little! =)

  Did the vets talk to you about this possibly being an allergy?  Thats probably what they mean by "chronic".  Animals allergic response is skin and ears where as humans is more upper respiratory.  So for animals, their skin and ears can produce an abundance of wax.  For your girl, its her ears.  All this wax sits there, and then turns into a yeast infection.  So yes, if whatever she is allergic to is still there, she will keep getting them. 

What could she be allergic to is the question? =)  If its YEAR ROUND problems, then we lean more towards thinking a food allergy.  Maybe you should ask about putting her on a hypo-allergenic food trial (NO OTHER FOODS OR TREATS OF ANY KIND) for 3 months.  If the ear problems go away after this (along with medication of course for the first part), we try offering a week of the "old food".  If the ear problem suddenly comes back, then BAM, we know it was the food, and then keeping her on a hypo-allergenic food normally does the trick.  Is it seasonal?  Meaning the problem seems to pop up the same time frame every year?  Then we lean towards an environmental allergy.  Dust, pollens (flowers, trees, etc.), molds...... of course, these are nearly IMPOSSIBE to find the trigger.  This is when we send our patients to a dermatologist who can do testing and find out what it is, and create a medication regiment to fit whats best.


Some meds ot talk to the Dr about.....

prednisone (steroid to get rid of the imflamation). 

Mometemax is good. (its an antibiotic and antifungal for the yeast).

Gentizol (very similar to Mometemax)

BKT (compounded wax mixture that is instilled in the ear (while awake normally) that sits and works WONDERS for 2 weeks, but does not need to be removed .  This is the ONLY thing I will now use on my dog who has an environmental allergy.  I cant for the life of me right now think of what the BKT stands for, but it is also antifungal, and antibiotic.  We compound ours through the Roadrunner Veterinary Pharmacy in AZ (we are in CA).  I will check tomorrow for the actual name of the drug and get back to you. =)  But not having to clean and medicate the ears daily is WONDERFUL.

ANY oral antibiotic can also help (Cephalexin, Antirobe, Baytril, etc.)


And also, ask about doing an ear culture.  They can send a sample of the ear debris to their laboratory and have it cultered (aka, they grow things in it and test it on TONS of antibiotics ot find what it may be resistant to and what would actually WORK as a treatment!).  You would be surprised just how weird it is that different forms of yeast and whatnot are resistant to the most commonly used antibiotics.  And every case is different.  Some people like to start here so that they dont waste their time trying tons of different antibiotic routes and can get it "right" the 1st time.

 Is she nervous, fearful?  too painful?  Or too rambuncious?  Why are they sedating her?  I understand if she is fearful aggressive, way too painful, or hyper that they might.  But alot of times it just takes the right tech/Dr match and the animals are great with good restraint to get an ear exam and cleaning done.  =( 


I hope you find a good vet to take care of your girl!

Let me know if you are northern CA for any reason and I can direct you to someone good! =)

GOOD LUCK HUN!  And good job for trying so hard already!  I know ear problems are no fun.  They are our #1 case we see..... but northern CALI is allergy HEAVEN!  animals AND humans! =P

Thank you SOOOO much for all your advice! First off--I'll answer the sedation question: my girl is HYPER with a capital HHHHHH :) She is not fearful at all--just overly ecstatic about people touching her (and life in general :) She's the biggest sweetheart...

I am going to take her back this week and I will discuss with the vet all you have discussed with me. I think we will try hypo-allergenic food. Poor dogger is gonna be in shock :) We don't feed any people food, but she is extremely food motivated and was treat trained--so the poor animal is going to have a big change :) Oh well--better than painful ears all the time! It sounds like food is the culprit. She definitely has ear infections all year round. I suspect its food rather than environment. Plus--now that you mentioned that I can think back and realize that we changed her food this month and the ears got much worse! Too bad too, because we changed to the PetSmart Nutro brand that was supposed to be so much better for her...

I am also going to request the meds you mentioned. I have had vets in the past that were reluctant to give her meds, but maybe if I can actually discuss them with the vet I may get somewhere.

The BKT sounds like it may be a great jumping point to get RID of the crap in her ear as we change her over to hypo-allergenic food.

Thanks again! You actually helped me understand the problems. I was starting to get a bit frustrated!

I appreciate it and I'll post an update soon when I can get her on the right track. I really appreciate you taking the time to help us out. Poor dog--she brings sooo much to our family and we hate to see her suffer!


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