TO circumcise or not?

 im ending this argument. its stupid and quite frankly you are a cunt.

Quoting VanessaCB:

 

Quoting wjbrady2011:

 

Quoting VanessaCB:

Nothing more disgusting that a woman wanting to chop off a part of her son's genitals because of HER sexual preferences for mutilated penises.

Quoting wjbrady2011:

 i am so sorry for your loss. i can not imagine going through that. but as you said, they dont know if that is what caused his death. my son is circumsised. and to those who say it is purely cosmetic that is not true. an uncircumsised penis is much more likely to get bacteria infections. and as for the cosmetic part. i think an uncircumsised penis is disgusting. i would not do that to my son. it isnt like he will remember the procedure

If you can't handle other people's opinions without being disrespectful maybe you should just stay off an open forum. You are a real class act by insinuating i circumsised my son for a sexual reason. I love my son and i did not want him to have complications that i have personally see people close to me go through because of being uncircumsised. It would be much more painful to have to get one when he is older. As to my preferences, i am entitled to state my opinion. My husband was more insistent on it than i was. He knew people who were made fun of for having an uncircumsised penis. and i know many women who will not date someone with one. so i am doing him a favor. i am entitled to my opinion. and "mutilated penis" please, grow up.

Quote "I think an uncircumcised penis is disgusting. i would not do that to my son'.  Sure sounds like your sexual preferences had a lot to do with why you had your son mutilated.  You think I am being disrespectful? Well, I don't apologize. I have absolutely NO respect for someone who chooses to have a healthy part of their child's body cut off especially because the said part is "disgusting".   YOU are disrepectful to the son you profess to love since to you the body he was born with was not good enough for you so you had it chopped off.   As far as all these complications of being uncircumcised, most of the world's men who are intact never have all these problems because they know how to take care of a natural penis. Most problems arise from the fact that most doctors advise parent's to forcibly pull back the foreskin on their infant to clean.  Some even advised them to clean the foreskin with q tips and alcohol. No wonder intact American men have problems with their foreskin.  If you leave it alone in infancy, most problems can be avoided.  Also just like the inside of your vagina, the inner foreskin is very sensitive and men should never use soap in that area because it messes with the natural ph balance and creates problems too but many men still do it and that also creates problems. "it would be much more painful to have to get one when he is older". LIES.  A baby can't tell you how much pain he is in, but scientific studies have shown that babies do go through tremendous pain and can go into shock. You are just repeating the same old lies you hear from pro-mutilators.  In a baby the foreskin is still attached so first it has to be ripped, skinned from the rest of the penis.  In a grown man, the foreskin is already retractable and easier to cut off.  Bullshit that it's harder on an adult. One woman on the circumcision debate board even admitted that her husband had a circumcision when he was 36 and it was easy and he was up and going the next day. And anyway, you are assuming he will have to get it done when he is older. Most intact men never have problems and are perfectly happy with their normal penises.  You claim that you had a healthy, functional part of his penis chopped off because you love him. Do you realize how insane that sounds? "i would not do that to my son".....do what?? You think you did something positive by having parts of his penis chopped off?  You are the one that needs to grow up. Calling a natural body part disgusting. A body part that your innocent little boy was born with. A body part he might want back. Research 'foreskin restoration movement".  As far as normal, intact boys being made fun off. What a ridiculous excuse? Good job mom. Chop off his body so he will fit right in with shallow, worthless people and especially shallow skanks who might reject him for the body he was born with. You would want your son to be involved with those kind of people. Ever heard the phrase "Foreskins are excellent shallow girl detectors".  Yes my little boy has one and I am glad. I want quality women and quality friends for him not some ignorant people who think mutilated penises are normal. And guess what,  since more and more are being left intact you are not doing him in favor, but a disservice since he will probably question the state of his penis in the future. "and "mutilated penis please, grow up"??.....and "an uncircumcised penis is disgusting".....PLEASE GROW UP.  And yes mutilated is the right word, deal with it. Mutilate= to cut up, alter, make imperfect. Let's see a natural, perfect penis has a foreskin.  If you chop it up/CUT IT UP  that makes it IMperfect, therefore it fits perfectly with the definition of mutilation.

Bye. Sorry you couldn't handle the truth.

Quoting wjbrady2011:

 im ending this argument. its stupid and quite frankly you are a cunt.

Quoting VanessaCB:

Quoting wjbrady2011:

 

Quoting VanessaCB:

Nothing more disgusting that a woman wanting to chop off a part of her son's genitals because of HER sexual preferences for mutilated penises.

Quoting wjbrady2011:

 i am so sorry for your loss. i can not imagine going through that. but as you said, they dont know if that is what caused his death. my son is circumsised. and to those who say it is purely cosmetic that is not true. an uncircumsised penis is much more likely to get bacteria infections. and as for the cosmetic part. i think an uncircumsised penis is disgusting. i would not do that to my son. it isnt like he will remember the procedure

If you can't handle other people's opinions without being disrespectful maybe you should just stay off an open forum. You are a real class act by insinuating i circumsised my son for a sexual reason. I love my son and i did not want him to have complications that i have personally see people close to me go through because of being uncircumsised. It would be much more painful to have to get one when he is older. As to my preferences, i am entitled to state my opinion. My husband was more insistent on it than i was. He knew people who were made fun of for having an uncircumsised penis. and i know many women who will not date someone with one. so i am doing him a favor. i am entitled to my opinion. and "mutilated penis" please, grow up.

Quote "I think an uncircumcised penis is disgusting. i would not do that to my son'.  Sure sounds like your sexual preferences had a lot to do with why you had your son mutilated.  You think I am being disrespectful? Well, I don't apologize. I have absolutely NO respect for someone who chooses to have a healthy part of their child's body cut off especially because the said part is "disgusting".   YOU are disrepectful to the son you profess to love since to you the body he was born with was not good enough for you so you had it chopped off.   As far as all these complications of being uncircumcised, most of the world's men who are intact never have all these problems because they know how to take care of a natural penis. Most problems arise from the fact that most doctors advise parent's to forcibly pull back the foreskin on their infant to clean.  Some even advised them to clean the foreskin with q tips and alcohol. No wonder intact American men have problems with their foreskin.  If you leave it alone in infancy, most problems can be avoided.  Also just like the inside of your vagina, the inner foreskin is very sensitive and men should never use soap in that area because it messes with the natural ph balance and creates problems too but many men still do it and that also creates problems. "it would be much more painful to have to get one when he is older". LIES.  A baby can't tell you how much pain he is in, but scientific studies have shown that babies do go through tremendous pain and can go into shock. You are just repeating the same old lies you hear from pro-mutilators.  In a baby the foreskin is still attached so first it has to be ripped, skinned from the rest of the penis.  In a grown man, the foreskin is already retractable and easier to cut off.  Bullshit that it's harder on an adult. One woman on the circumcision debate board even admitted that her husband had a circumcision when he was 36 and it was easy and he was up and going the next day. And anyway, you are assuming he will have to get it done when he is older. Most intact men never have problems and are perfectly happy with their normal penises.  You claim that you had a healthy, functional part of his penis chopped off because you love him. Do you realize how insane that sounds? "i would not do that to my son".....do what?? You think you did something positive by having parts of his penis chopped off?  You are the one that needs to grow up. Calling a natural body part disgusting. A body part that your innocent little boy was born with. A body part he might want back. Research 'foreskin restoration movement".  As far as normal, intact boys being made fun off. What a ridiculous excuse? Good job mom. Chop off his body so he will fit right in with shallow, worthless people and especially shallow skanks who might reject him for the body he was born with. You would want your son to be involved with those kind of people. Ever heard the phrase "Foreskins are excellent shallow girl detectors".  Yes my little boy has one and I am glad. I want quality women and quality friends for him not some ignorant people who think mutilated penises are normal. And guess what,  since more and more are being left intact you are not doing him in favor, but a disservice since he will probably question the state of his penis in the future. "and "mutilated penis please, grow up"??.....and "an uncircumcised penis is disgusting".....PLEASE GROW UP.  And yes mutilated is the right word, deal with it. Mutilate= to cut up, alter, make imperfect. Let's see a natural, perfect penis has a foreskin.  If you chop it up/CUT IT UP  that makes it IMperfect, therefore it fits perfectly with the definition of mutilation.

 

Quoting VanessaCB:

 

Quoting MarylandMom117:

 

Quoting VanessaCB:

Let me guess. Like most babies, he and his friend were forcibly retracted to clean under his foreskin. That can cause lifelong problems in intact males including constant infections.  As far as tightness, there are non surgical solutions to this problems. Research it. Why is this that a foreskin only causes all these problems in the USA and in the countries where the majority of men are intact these problems are rare? He laughed? How mature of him.

Quoting MarylandMom117:

I let my husband read this and he laughed at all of the replies. He had to be circumcised at the age of twenty because the foreskin can cause complications. One of his friends developed severe pain because of the foreskin as well.

Circumcision has risk, but later on in life it may be the way to go. As a boy goes through puberty, some uncircumcised individuals develop tightness and infections. When men age, foreskin can cause unwanted problems that require surgery.

This information was all gathered from someone who actually has the right sorta'  tackle for this argument.

 

So, circumcising poses both risks and benefits that can change a guys life-or end it.

 

I would probably let my child decide later on instead of deciding for them.

1.He lived in France until he was 22. Not completely disputing you on that part though, it does seem that thats the case with the US.

And I am not saying that foreskins are problem free. Any normal body part can develop problems but cutting off a healthy foreskin to prevent problems that might never happen is pretty ridiculous.

2.The tightness can occur in many ways, and in some cases HAS to be surgically removed.

If it's MEDICALLY needed due to a PROBLEM with the foreskin, then that's fine. The majority of foreskins in a newborn are healthy.

3.He laughed at some (not all, that was an error) of the replies that made no sense or were incorrect.

4.In my husbands case, it was literally impossible for them to retract his foreskin, so it was a much needed circumcision.

See my answer above.

Please correct me on the following things if some are wrong, I'm not saying that these are completely true, although its likely.

1 Many older men, who have bladder or prostate gland problems, also develop difficulties with their foreskins due to their surgeon's handling, cleaning, and using instruments. Some of these patients will need circumcising. Afterwards it is often astonishing to find some who have never ever seen their glans (knob) exposed before!

OLDER men is the key word. It's ridiculous to chop off the foreskin of an infant for what MAY happen way in the future especially since most men never have problems with their natural penises.  If they need a circumcision later in life, then at least they got to enjoy their normal body for all these years. Elderly bodies develop all sorts of problems. It's a fact of life. Chopping off healthy body parts at birth is not the solution to deal with some of these problems. 

2 Some older men develop cancer of the penis - about 1 in 1000 - fairly rare, but tragic if you or your son are in that small statistic. Infant circumcision gives almost 100% protection, and young adult circumcision also gives a large degree of protection.

Some women develop breast cancer-about 1 in 8 in the USA. Very common. You don't see baby girls breast buds removed at birth to prevent that, do you? Removing them would give 100% protection. Any body part can develop cancer. You don't see doctors removing most body parts at birth to prevent problems later on. It's ridiculous especially with a cancer that is so rare. Breast cancer in men is about the same as the risk of penile cancer, 1 in 1000.  I wouldn't cut off my son's breast buds to prevent that.

3 Cancer of the cervix in women is due to the Human Papilloma Virus. It thrives under and on the foreskin from where it can be transmitted during intercourse. An article in the British Medical Journal in April 2002 suggested that at least 20% of cancer of the cervix would be avoided if all men were circumcised. Surely that alone makes it worth doing?

What does this have to do with baby boys. They are not having sex. How ridiculous and demeaning  to alter our little boy's bodies  to "save" future grown women especially when you have no idea what his sex life might be like.  What if your little boy never has sex with women. What if he is gay? What if he turns out asexual? What if he rather protect himself and not sleep around? There are so many what ifs. Another what if.  What if there is a cure for HPV when my son is old enough to have sex?

4 Protection against HIV and AIDS. Another British Medical Journal article in May 2000 suggested that circumcised men are 8 times less likely to contract the HIV virus. (It is very important here to say that the risk is still far too high and that condoms and safe sex must be used.

Again, what does this have to do with our baby boy's. Are they having sex? Are you trying to predict their future sex life? Those "studies" are flawed anyway. They were done in Africa. There is a ton of information on why these studies are flawed if you search for them. Also why is HIV rare in some European countries where most men are intact and why was the AIDS epidemic so high in the USA in the 80s when most men were circumcised?

A BBC television programme in November 2000 showed two Ugandan tribes across the valley from one another. One practised circumcision and had very little AIDS, whereas, it was common in the other tribe, who then also started circumcising. This programme showed how the infection thrived in the lining of the foreskin, making it much easier to pass on.

This  (and 5 below have nothing to do with baby boys in the USA who are not having sex.

5 As with HIV, so some protection exists against other sexually transmitted infections. Accordingly, if a condom splits or comes off, there is some protection for the couple. However, the only safe sex is to stick to one partner or abstain.

6 Balanitis is an unpleasant, often recurring, inflammation of the glans. It is quite common and can be prevented by circumcision.

Unless a baby boy is born with balanitis, then chopping it off is ridiculous. All body parts can develop problems.

7 Urinary tract infections sometimes occur in babies and can be quite serious. Circumcision in infancy makes it 10 times less likely.

My four year intact son has NEVER had a problem. I have never retracted his foreskin. I don't even touch his penis to clean him. Just put him in the bathwater. The foreskin is fused which protects the glans from anything getting in there and causing infections. Infections occur when you mess too much with the foreskin.

Some more

1 Where the foreskin cannot comfortably be pulled back over the glans (knob) of the penis. Now, up until the age of five or six, many boys cannot retract their foreskins - mums and dads beware - if you try too early you may do some damage. Above the age of six or seven, it is important that boys be taught how to clean under the foreskin, making sure the skin is pulled right back. If your son cannot do that he may need circumcising. Boys frequently forget or deliberately avoid this routine and run into difficulties.

This is getting ridiculous. So now you presume to know ALL boys and their hygiene habits. How sexists of you. In my culture, we don't circumcise and men/boys do just fine with no problems. And just because some boys/men might develop problems with their foreskins is not a good enough reason to mutilate all boys especially since most NEVER develop these problems.

2 If the foreskin cannot easily be moved when the penis becomes hard, or if that causes pain - this is not only a childhood problem. At puberty, as the penis grows and masturbation begins, problems may emerge. Some men have pain on intercourse, which they then try to avoid for that reason. If so, you (and your partner) will benefit from your circumcision just as many boys do. Some men are afraid to admit to this problem, but it is curable by circumcision.

Unbelievable. You just like to look at the worst possible things that can happen with normal body parts, do you? 'IF the foreskin cannot easily be moved." Key word IF. Not a good enough reason to mutilate a baby boy who more than likely will have no problems with his natural body.

3 Where you and your partner keep getting 'thrush' infections.Some call this 'sexual ping-pong'. One keeps passing it back to the other. Of course, you may first try creams or tablets from your doctor or chemist, but if it keeps coming back, circumcision will cure it.

Baby boys do no have sexual partners.

We had some miscommunication there. My computer went on the fritz. What I was trying to say was that a newborn shouldnt be circumcised, but later on it might be needed. The things above (the lists) were from other websites, I just wanted to find out if they were right or not. I misread your reply, I thought you were arguing about circumcision later on and including all countries. So basically, I was agreeing with you, but wanted to find out more on the subject.

I only have a girl and DH is circumcised but we decided that if we do eventually have a boy he won't be circumcised. I can't imagine putting a baby through that much pain for absolutely no medically necessary reason. If you teach your boy to take proper care of the extra foreskin there won't be a problem. In my opinion circumcision is extremely cruel and unnecessary.

I am so sorry for your loss! I won't post any opionions here, as I try to stay away from the "to circ or not" debate. But I wanted to at least add my two cents to your question.

My son is circumcised and we didn't have any issues with it. I agree with you that I think it is better to do it now at a time when it won't be as painful of an ordeal, or later as an adult if it becomes necessary and he has to remember the process. If you believe that now should be the right time, then go ahead for it.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/story/2012-08-20/male-circumcision-rates/57169976/1

Benefits of infant circumsion from USAToday news:

"In a study out Monday, researchers say falling infant circumcision rates could end up costing billions of U.S.health care dollars when men and their female partners develop AIDS and other sexually transmitted infections and cancers that could have been prevented.

Separately, the American Academy of Pediatrics is about to issue a new policy statement that says infant circumcision has "significant" health benefits, replacing a statement that takes a more neutral stance.

"We have a tremendous amount of information coming out about the benefits of male circumcision," says Aaron Tobian, a researcher at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine who is among the authors of the cost study.

But rates among U.S. infants have dropped since the 1970s and are likely to keep dropping if more insurers follow 18 state Medicaid programs that have stopped covering the procedure, says the report from Tobian and his colleagues, published in the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine.

The researchers say that if U.S. rates dropped to 10% — the level seen in European countries where insurers don't cover circumcision — the results would include:

Quoting MarylandMom117:

Quoting VanessaCB:

Quoting MarylandMom117:

Quoting VanessaCB:

Let me guess. Like most babies, he and his friend were forcibly retracted to clean under his foreskin. That can cause lifelong problems in intact males including constant infections.  As far as tightness, there are non surgical solutions to this problems. Research it. Why is this that a foreskin only causes all these problems in the USA and in the countries where the majority of men are intact these problems are rare? He laughed? How mature of him.

Quoting MarylandMom117:

I let my husband read this and he laughed at all of the replies. He had to be circumcised at the age of twenty because the foreskin can cause complications. One of his friends developed severe pain because of the foreskin as well.

Circumcision has risk, but later on in life it may be the way to go. As a boy goes through puberty, some uncircumcised individuals develop tightness and infections. When men age, foreskin can cause unwanted problems that require surgery.

This information was all gathered from someone who actually has the right sorta'  tackle for this argument.

So, circumcising poses both risks and benefits that can change a guys life-or end it.

I would probably let my child decide later on instead of deciding for them.

1.He lived in France until he was 22. Not completely disputing you on that part though, it does seem that thats the case with the US.

And I am not saying that foreskins are problem free. Any normal body part can develop problems but cutting off a healthy foreskin to prevent problems that might never happen is pretty ridiculous.

2.The tightness can occur in many ways, and in some cases HAS to be surgically removed.

If it's MEDICALLY needed due to a PROBLEM with the foreskin, then that's fine. The majority of foreskins in a newborn are healthy.

3.He laughed at some (not all, that was an error) of the replies that made no sense or were incorrect.

4.In my husbands case, it was literally impossible for them to retract his foreskin, so it was a much needed circumcision.

See my answer above.

Please correct me on the following things if some are wrong, I'm not saying that these are completely true, although its likely.

1 Many older men, who have bladder or prostate gland problems, also develop difficulties with their foreskins due to their surgeon's handling, cleaning, and using instruments. Some of these patients will need circumcising. Afterwards it is often astonishing to find some who have never ever seen their glans (knob) exposed before!

OLDER men is the key word. It's ridiculous to chop off the foreskin of an infant for what MAY happen way in the future especially since most men never have problems with their natural penises.  If they need a circumcision later in life, then at least they got to enjoy their normal body for all these years. Elderly bodies develop all sorts of problems. It's a fact of life. Chopping off healthy body parts at birth is not the solution to deal with some of these problems. 

2 Some older men develop cancer of the penis - about 1 in 1000 - fairly rare, but tragic if you or your son are in that small statistic. Infant circumcision gives almost 100% protection, and young adult circumcision also gives a large degree of protection.

Some women develop breast cancer-about 1 in 8 in the USA. Very common. You don't see baby girls breast buds removed at birth to prevent that, do you? Removing them would give 100% protection. Any body part can develop cancer. You don't see doctors removing most body parts at birth to prevent problems later on. It's ridiculous especially with a cancer that is so rare. Breast cancer in men is about the same as the risk of penile cancer, 1 in 1000.  I wouldn't cut off my son's breast buds to prevent that.

3 Cancer of the cervix in women is due to the Human Papilloma Virus. It thrives under and on the foreskin from where it can be transmitted during intercourse. An article in the British Medical Journal in April 2002 suggested that at least 20% of cancer of the cervix would be avoided if all men were circumcised. Surely that alone makes it worth doing?

What does this have to do with baby boys. They are not having sex. How ridiculous and demeaning  to alter our little boy's bodies  to "save" future grown women especially when you have no idea what his sex life might be like.  What if your little boy never has sex with women. What if he is gay? What if he turns out asexual? What if he rather protect himself and not sleep around? There are so many what ifs. Another what if.  What if there is a cure for HPV when my son is old enough to have sex?

4 Protection against HIV and AIDS. Another British Medical Journal article in May 2000 suggested that circumcised men are 8 times less likely to contract the HIV virus. (It is very important here to say that the risk is still far too high and that condoms and safe sex must be used.

Again, what does this have to do with our baby boy's. Are they having sex? Are you trying to predict their future sex life? Those "studies" are flawed anyway. They were done in Africa. There is a ton of information on why these studies are flawed if you search for them. Also why is HIV rare in some European countries where most men are intact and why was the AIDS epidemic so high in the USA in the 80s when most men were circumcised?

A BBC television programme in November 2000 showed two Ugandan tribes across the valley from one another. One practised circumcision and had very little AIDS, whereas, it was common in the other tribe, who then also started circumcising. This programme showed how the infection thrived in the lining of the foreskin, making it much easier to pass on.

This  (and 5 below have nothing to do with baby boys in the USA who are not having sex.

5 As with HIV, so some protection exists against other sexually transmitted infections. Accordingly, if a condom splits or comes off, there is some protection for the couple. However, the only safe sex is to stick to one partner or abstain.

6 Balanitis is an unpleasant, often recurring, inflammation of the glans. It is quite common and can be prevented by circumcision.

Unless a baby boy is born with balanitis, then chopping it off is ridiculous. All body parts can develop problems.

7 Urinary tract infections sometimes occur in babies and can be quite serious. Circumcision in infancy makes it 10 times less likely.

My four year intact son has NEVER had a problem. I have never retracted his foreskin. I don't even touch his penis to clean him. Just put him in the bathwater. The foreskin is fused which protects the glans from anything getting in there and causing infections. Infections occur when you mess too much with the foreskin.

Some more

1 Where the foreskin cannot comfortably be pulled back over the glans (knob) of the penis. Now, up until the age of five or six, many boys cannot retract their foreskins - mums and dads beware - if you try too early you may do some damage. Above the age of six or seven, it is important that boys be taught how to clean under the foreskin, making sure the skin is pulled right back. If your son cannot do that he may need circumcising. Boys frequently forget or deliberately avoid this routine and run into difficulties.

This is getting ridiculous. So now you presume to know ALL boys and their hygiene habits. How sexists of you. In my culture, we don't circumcise and men/boys do just fine with no problems. And just because some boys/men might develop problems with their foreskins is not a good enough reason to mutilate all boys especially since most NEVER develop these problems.

2 If the foreskin cannot easily be moved when the penis becomes hard, or if that causes pain - this is not only a childhood problem. At puberty, as the penis grows and masturbation begins, problems may emerge. Some men have pain on intercourse, which they then try to avoid for that reason. If so, you (and your partner) will benefit from your circumcision just as many boys do. Some men are afraid to admit to this problem, but it is curable by circumcision.

Unbelievable. You just like to look at the worst possible things that can happen with normal body parts, do you? 'IF the foreskin cannot easily be moved." Key word IF. Not a good enough reason to mutilate a baby boy who more than likely will have no problems with his natural body.

3 Where you and your partner keep getting 'thrush' infections.Some call this 'sexual ping-pong'. One keeps passing it back to the other. Of course, you may first try creams or tablets from your doctor or chemist, but if it keeps coming back, circumcision will cure it.

Baby boys do no have sexual partners.

We had some miscommunication there. My computer went on the fritz. What I was trying to say was that a newborn shouldnt be circumcised, but later on it might be needed. The things above (the lists) were from other websites, I just wanted to find out if they were right or not. I misread your reply, I thought you were arguing about circumcision later on and including all countries. So basically, I was agreeing with you, but wanted to find out more on the subject.

Fair enough but the fact is most men never have problems with their foreskin. 

Seems like she has done quite a bit of research to me ....

Quoting MarylandMom117:

Quoting VanessaCB:

Let me guess. Like most babies, he and his friend were forcibly retracted to clean under his foreskin. That can cause lifelong problems in intact males including constant infections.  As far as tightness, there are non surgical solutions to this problems. Research it. Why is this that a foreskin only causes all these problems in the USA and in the countries where the majority of men are intact these problems are rare? He laughed? How mature of him.

Quoting MarylandMom117:

I let my husband read this and he laughed at all of the replies. He had to be circumcised at the age of twenty because the foreskin can cause complications. One of his friends developed severe pain because of the foreskin as well.

Circumcision has risk, but later on in life it may be the way to go. As a boy goes through puberty, some uncircumcised individuals develop tightness and infections. When men age, foreskin can cause unwanted problems that require surgery.

This information was all gathered from someone who actually has the right sorta'  tackle for this argument.

So, circumcising poses both risks and benefits that can change a guys life-or end it.

I would probably let my child decide later on instead of deciding for them.

1.He lived in France until he was 22. Not completely disputing you on that part though, it does seem that thats the case with the US.

2.The tightness can occur in many ways, and in some cases HAS to be surgically removed.

3.He laughed at some (not all, that was an error) of the replies that made no sense or were incorrect.

4.In my husbands case, it was literally impossible for them to retract his foreskin, so it was a much needed circumcision.

Please correct me on the following things if some are wrong, I'm not saying that these are completely true, although its likely.

1 Many older men, who have bladder or prostate gland problems, also develop difficulties with their foreskins due to their surgeon's handling, cleaning, and using instruments. Some of these patients will need circumcising. Afterwards it is often astonishing to find some who have never ever seen their glans (knob) exposed before!

2 Some older men develop cancer of the penis - about 1 in 1000 - fairly rare, but tragic if you or your son are in that small statistic. Infant circumcision gives almost 100% protection, and young adult circumcision also gives a large degree of protection.

3 Cancer of the cervix in women is due to the Human Papilloma Virus. It thrives under and on the foreskin from where it can be transmitted during intercourse. An article in the British Medical Journal in April 2002 suggested that at least 20% of cancer of the cervix would be avoided if all men were circumcised. Surely that alone makes it worth doing?

4 Protection against HIV and AIDS. Another British Medical Journal article in May 2000 suggested that circumcised men are 8 times less likely to contract the HIV virus. (It is very important here to say that the risk is still far too high and that condoms and safe sex must be used.

A BBC television programme in November 2000 showed two Ugandan tribes across the valley from one another. One practised circumcision and had very little AIDS, whereas, it was common in the other tribe, who then also started circumcising. This programme showed how the infection thrived in the lining of the foreskin, making it much easier to pass on.

5 As with HIV, so some protection exists against other sexually transmitted infections. Accordingly, if a condom splits or comes off, there is some protection for the couple. However, the only safe sex is to stick to one partner or abstain.

6 Balanitis is an unpleasant, often recurring, inflammation of the glans. It is quite common and can be prevented by circumcision.

7 Urinary tract infections sometimes occur in babies and can be quite serious. Circumcision in infancy makes it 10 times less likely.

Some more

1 Where the foreskin cannot comfortably be pulled back over the glans (knob) of the penis. Now, up until the age of five or six, many boys cannot retract their foreskins - mums and dads beware - if you try too early you may do some damage. Above the age of six or seven, it is important that boys be taught how to clean under the foreskin, making sure the skin is pulled right back. If your son cannot do that he may need circumcising. Boys frequently forget or deliberately avoid this routine and run into difficulties.

2 If the foreskin cannot easily be moved when the penis becomes hard, or if that causes pain - this is not only a childhood problem. At puberty, as the penis grows and masturbation begins, problems may emerge. Some men have pain on intercourse, which they then try to avoid for that reason. If so, you (and your partner) will benefit from your circumcision just as many boys do. Some men are afraid to admit to this problem, but it is curable by circumcision.

3 Where you and your partner keep getting 'thrush' infections.Some call this 'sexual ping-pong'. One keeps passing it back to the other. Of course, you may first try creams or tablets from your doctor or chemist, but if it keeps coming back, circumcision will cure it.