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HPV shot hurting & killing our children.. just say No to the HPV Vaccines*edit*- lots of important info

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I had to take some of the artcle out to fit cafemoms page visit sites to read in full.

I DIDNOT WRITE THESE ARTICLES MY GOAL TO SHOW PEOPLE HOW DANGEROUS HPV SHOT IS

http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/vaccines/hpv-california-bill/

    *  Seventh graders can now be vaccinated without parents’ knowledge or permission.

Vaccine marketers scored a landmark victory in California in October 2011 when Jerry Brown fetched the stick and signed into law a new bill allowing schools to vaccinate 12 year olds without informing their parents.

That’s right. Kids now choose.

Falling into step with other compliant governors like Rick Perry and WA state’s Christine Gregoire, Brown demonstrated once more his allegiance to the bottomless coffers of the drug industry lobby. Common sense, putting children in harm’s way, running roughshod over parent’s rights, responsible science – not relevant. Seems the world just got a little worse.

There can be no doubt that the underlying motive behind the new law was the promotion of the controversial Human Papilloma Virus vaccine [see HPV chapter] [1].

But the new law never mentions HPV.

Although this vaccine has been on the adolescent Vaccine Schedule for 5 years now, many parents are losing confidence in it lately and have been opting out of the vaccine for their 12 year olds. The primary reasons are

    Lack of demonstrable necessity

    Lack of scientific testing

    Verifiable and admitted harmful side effects

The reader is referred to the above chapter [1] for the details of the confused rationale that has always haunted the marketing of this strange vaccine, as doctors struggled to justify the vaccine’s necessity at all.

But with this new law, now they have done something unprecedented in vaccine promo by allowing the state to come between parents and their own children.

The whole science discussion is a study in confusion and misdirection, which is just the way Merck wants it – Merck being the inventor of the Gardasil HPV vaccine, and the ultimate beneficiary of the new law. To try and grasp what they have just accomplished by this bill, the parent must first review some basic facts about

    1. cancer of the cervix

    2. its relation to Human Papilloma virus

    3. the HPV vaccine

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CANCER OF THE CERVIX

Cancer of the cervix now affects some 13,000 American women, 4,000 of whom die. [1] Most deaths are in the worst living environments in the US, among the most immune-suppressed groups. But like with all cancers, the cause of this one remains unknown.

Cervical cancer has been declining dramatically in the United States, from nearly 15 cases for every 100,000 women in 1975 to nearly 7 per 100,000 in 2008. [12] Nothing to do with vaccines.

In the 1970s, herpes simplex virus was proposed as a possible cause, but that hypothesis was soon abandoned after studies proved inconclusive.

In the 1990s the next candidate suggested was Human Papilloma virus. [2] But the link was never proven.

For this the first cancer vaccine, the PR department at Merck was hard put to come up with a convincing scientific rationale – how any HPV vaccine could possibly prevent cancer of the cervix.

The primary obstacle was that HPV could not be proven as the cause of any cancer. Or any disease at all, for that matter. But is it precisely this claimed causation between HPV and cervical cancer that necessitates the vaccine at all, right? Without hard evidence, the vaccine is exposed as a useless sham.

NO PROVEN CONNECTION: HPV AND CANCER

Here’s the short version of how the HPV supposedly causes cancer of the cervix, according to Merck scientists.

First of all, in any cancer, we’re talking about a normal cell that mutated and then began to make copies of itself, unchecked.

The creators of the HPV/ cancer myth are pretending that the HPV came along and attacked some normal cells and mutated those cells and caused them to begin replicating themselves out of control – cancer. And that this is happening on a mass scale even though we just discovered it. And worse, that a vaccine can neutralize that type of attack on normal cervix cells.

Any scientist not on the payroll of Merck will see the problem with this new ‘hit-and-run’ theory right off the bat. The simple fact is that viruses don’t replicate in cancer cells. [Duesberg, 3]. Before this marketing campaign for HPV vaccine, no virus was ever claimed as carcinogenic.

But it gets even worse than that. The HPV vaccine doesn’t even contain HPV! True. Just some particles from the virus. Look it up. [1, 2]

Apparently this fact is not considered worth knowing by the majority of parents, who obediently line up their children for whatever shots the Vaccinators will command. “They must be good for kids or they wouldn’t be giving them,” is the standard substitute for thinking, adopted by the uninformed parent. Don’t bother me with the facts.

More and more parents possessing a bit more refined powers of intellect however have been looking behind the veil in the last two years, and realizing the indefensibility of the preposterous ‘viral particle theory’ which is supposed to explain the Gardasil HPV vaccine’s mode of action in preventing cancer. (see chapter for details [1]) This steadily growing subset of informed parents began opting out – signing the forms which exempt their child from the vaccine.

The vaccine industry freaked. But first they had to deal with a more obvious PR problem.

WHAT ABOUT THE BOYS?

Why has a vaccine claiming to be for cancer of the cervix – why has this vaccine been routinely given also to boys ever since it came out?

Excellent question. It is answered completely in our June 2011 Newsletter

Short answer: A spurious shotgun ‘study’ was hurriedly done for New England Journal of Medicine which provided the required rationale. Serendipitously, we just found out that boys need the same vaccine as girls, but for genital warts. [4,5]

What a coincidence.

So with the spotlight suddenly on HPV after 5 years, with the vast majority of kids routinely getting the shots, people were finally starting to take a look at the vaccine. The warts thing, even though ridiculous, satisfied the undiscriminating silent majority.

But that wasn’t enough to cover up all the bad press. After the Sept 2011 Michelle Bachman ambush of Rick Perry on CNN, [6] where his well known financial connections with Merck were yet again aired on national TV, HPV vaccine looked really suspect. More people began opting out.

Vaccine industry double freaking now.

SEX, BLOOD, AND RACISM

In today’s version of E.L. Bernays journalism [7], new life can be injected into virtually any story by framing it in one of the Holy Trinity issues. If the underlying facts are unclear, boring, or just inconveniently true, no problem – we can forget about those details. We’ll just hide the underlying story and make it about sex or blood or racism. Now it pops. Better yet, we buried the lead. Framing the issue is everything; substance is but a passing myth.

For HPV, they chose Sex. Obscure the main facts of the issue, which are:

    - HPV virus has never been proven as the cause of any disease

    – HPV virus has never been proven as the cause of cancer of the cervix

    – HPV vaccine has never been proven to have the slightest effect on any

    cancer at all

    – By no stretch of the imagination can cancer of the cervix be regarded as an STD

Let’s ignore these worrisome facts and bury them behind an emotional smokescreen under Sexually Transmitted Diseases. Wow. Now we have a story about teenage girls and STDs – fantastic. Now that’s newsworthy!

And that’s precisely what they’ve done. Read any story about HPV in mainstream media, and even in some of the websites and health sites that are appalled by the political issue of having parent’s rights obliterated ¬ – even they accept as real the erroneous fiction that cancer of the cervix is an STD. It isn’t! STD’s are infectious! Remember? Sexually transmitted

infections. No cancer is infectious.

So much for background on the vaccine. Now, about that new bill.

CALIFORNIA BILL AB 499

“This bill would allow a minor who is 12 years of age or older to consent to medical care related to the prevention of a sexually transmitted disease.

“The people of the State of California do enact as follows:

SECTION 1.- Section 6926 of the Family Code is amended to read:

    (a) A minor who is 12 years of age or older and who may have come into

    contact with an-infectious, contagious, or communicable disease may

    consent to medical care related-to the diagnosis or treatment of the

    disease, if the disease or condition is one that is-required by law or

    regulation adopted pursuant to law-to be reported to the local health

    officer, or is a related sexually transmitted disease, as may be determined

    by the State-Director of Health Services Public Health Officer.


    - – (b) A minor who is 12 years of age or older may consent to medical care

    related to the prevention of a sexually transmitted disease.


    - – (c) The minor’s parents or guardian are not liable for payment for

    medical care provided-pursuant to this section.”

Whew! So much dissimulation, so much deliberate misrepresentation, so much not saying what they really mean. Where does one begin?

OK, let’s roll up our sleeves and just do it.

All the uproar we see against this new bill correctly relates it to the HPV vaccine, which is given to 12 year old girls. The bad press the vaccine was getting, loss of confidence, the lawmakers’ financial entanglements with Merck, etc. – this bill was the response to all that. Without HPV vaccine, this bill would have never been drafted.

But lawmakers funded by huge drug cartels can employ the most elegant techniques of Bernays PR ever conceived. They can spin anything. In this case, the new law never mentions HPV vaccine itself, distancing itself from that entire discussion – as though this is not a law to sell HPV vaccine for Merck but rather a way to better protect our defenseless teenage girls against the ravages of STDs. Who would argue with something like that?

SIDE EFFECTS OF HPV VACCINE

The reader by now, it is hoped, will start to doubt HPV vaccine’s efficacy – why it cannot do what it claims to do.

Wouldn’t be so bad if it were ineffective and harmless. But this vaccine is also very dangerous, as the manufacturer states.

Let’s start with the side effects cited by Merck:

    fever

    nausea

    pharyngitis

    dizziness

    NVD

    bronchospasm

    gastroenteritis

    appendicitis

    PID

    upper respiratory infection
    – [2] 2007 Physicians Desk Reference [213] p 1987

Additional side effects discovered later include loss of consciousness, loss of vision and seizures. (Lopes, [8]) And oh yes, paralysis.

By 2008, the British media began to report still other effects of Gardasil among young girls, like the 30 deaths, which American media never mentioned. [10]

An additional symptom from the HPV shot is Guillain Barre syndrome, an autoimmune condition resulting in paralysis. There have been several such cases both in the UK and the US, including a high profile case in Oct 2008 of a 12 year old British girl who collapsed 2 days after the Gardasil shot and was subsequently paralyzed from the waist down. [10] Her first symptoms came on within 30 minutes. Again, no US media.

American media missed the followup story a year later when England suspended HPV vaccine altogether after another 14 girls died from the vaccine.[9]

26 AMERICAN GIRLS DEAD FROM GARDASIL: OCT 2011

Newer data just released from the VAERS database – the government tracking system for vaccine injuries since 1991 – this data makes public the 26 American girls who died from the Gardasil shot in 2010. Believe me this has never been in any mainstream media source. But you can easily find these documents [11], although scrolling through them to find the 26 deaths will require that you do a search for the word ‘death’.

Or you can take the word of Judicial Watch, the group that recently unearthed the data through Freedom of Information.

Again, mainstream media is not allowed to run stories like this, even though the data is right there in the VAERS files where anyone can see it.

Is this story newsworthy?


WRAP UP

Show any parent the Vaccine Schedule and ask what any given vaccine is. What is DPT? What is H. influenzae? What is HPV? What is Rotateq? Why are you taking your kid in for these shots? They have no idea, most of them. And they are reassured that they don’t have to know – it’s not their job. Trust your doctor.

From now on when you read anything about HPV vaccine, Gardasil, or the new CA bill that allows 12 years olds to be vaccinated without parental knowledge, keep this little checklist of facts in front of you:

    HPV virus has never been proven as the cause of any disease,

    – HPV virus has never been proven as the cause of cancer of the cervix.

    – HPV vaccine has never been proven to have the slightest effect on any cancer at all.

    – By no stretch of the imagination can cancer of the cervix be regarded as an STD.

This chapter then is for 2 groups:

    1. Parents of 12 year olds who think they should have more say about what their kids are injected with than the politics of state government

    2. Parents who are sending their kids to get the HPV vaccine.

With media solidly in the pocket of their biggest advertiser – the drug industry – the parent who gets all the information about HPV vaccine from Fox News, Yahoo News, Newsweek magazine, or the local newspaper is going to be told some untrue mantras, over and over. It only takes a little bit of reading to demythologize these issues and learn the truth.

So for the small percentage of parents interested enough in their child’s future to actually do that, their progeny will be immune enhanced. Natural selection will favor them. And the human race will have some small advantage for the next generations over the majority of children who are being immune suppressed by ingredients in the 68 vaccines now mandated. [13]

WHAT YOU CAN DO

As you might suspect, this chapter is only the tip of the iceberg. HPV vaccine is much more dangerous than presented here, the underlying science is much weaker, and the economic entanglements between drugmakers and political entities are much more complicated. So the first thing a parent can do is to find out a little more.

Rather than doing a blind google search on HPV which is going to turn up 100,000 hits in .5 seconds, most marketing the safety of the vaccine, instead follow up on some of the references below. See if they make sense. Vet this chapter. Get enough information on your own to make an informed decision whether or not your teenager’s blood should be the battleground for this political wordgame. Satisfy yourself that the vaccine meets 3 criteria:

    safe

    effective

    necessary

If you then decide that this vaccine is a bit too experimental for your child, and you wish to opt out, first of all sign the standard Exemption Form and turn it in to the school.

Next, click to the Parents Letter To the School. [14] Follow the directions and send the certified letters letting the school know who’s really in charge of your kids, them or you.

I think most of us would agree that many horrifying things are taking place every day in the world today. But we do have the power to keep at least some of them out of our homes. So obviously the first step is education from sources not vested in the wholesale marketing of vaccines.

Aren’t your kids worth the effort?.

    www.thedoctorwithin.com

https://www.healthtap.com/#publications/802826-hpv-vaccine-mandates-just-say-no-to-the-great-big-public-health-experiment

*** Below Real stories about people who had this vaccine****

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/janak/071213

December 13, 2007

Gardasil -

- Real stories from Real people plus a surprise ending

By Cynthia A. Janak

Today I am going to give you real stories from real people about their experiences with the dangerous wonder drug Gardasil. The reason that I am doing this is because I can give you all the data that I can find but reading actual accounts will help in making the decision to vaccinate or not. Here are some of them because they are too numerous to use them all.

These are taken from the website http://www.hpvhometest.com/merck-gardasil-has-your-child-been-vaccinated-tell-us-your-story

Comment by Kate- 2007-09-19 12:49:02 My mother made me get this shot. The first one was awful. I have never felt such pain from any vaccination before. No one likes getting stuff poked into them, but the year before I entered college I received 5 shots at my checkup and none of them were as bad as Gardasil. I had intense pain in the injection site for about 2 weeks after receiving it. My second shot was so bad my body temperature rose, I had the most massive headache I have ever felt, blacked out and then fainted. After that shot I had severe pain in my arm for 2 months. I am refusing to get the 3rd shot. I've been doing a lot of research on this lately and it does not seem worth it to me when they do no even know how long this will last. There are no long-term case studies to find out how effective it will be. If you are not having unprotected sex right now then what is the problem?Today I recieved my 2nd Gardasil shot. I am 18 years old. After the injection, I sat around for 10 minutes to make sure no breakout occured on my arm. Once the nurse told me I could leave, I walked to make my next appointment for the shot, and as the receptionist was talking to me my vision became darker and darker and I could not hear anything. I ended up fainting and bumping my head on the floor pretty hard, as well as getting a nice big scratch on my arm. I woke up and there were nurses all around me giving me juice and crackers. Has anybody else heard of situations like this with the vaccine? I was only passed out for a few seconds, but still very very scary.

Comment by Tiffany I just got my Gardasil shot today, and I NEVER have problems with shots. I have never passed out because of shots or seeing blood, or anything like that. This time, however, I got the Gardasil shot and hit the floor HARD. I felt fine after the shot for about a minute, and even told the nurse "that wasn't so bad!" Then I got paint in my arm, and my muscles tightened. Before I knew it, I was waking up to doctor's calling my name. Not sure what happened!
Comment by Katie I've always been good with shots — I actually don't mind watching them go into my arm or seeing my blood drawn or anything. In fact, when I got my shots for Kindgarden I didn't cry, and the nurse said I was the first kid that age she'd ever had that didn't cry. My first shot of Gardasil was the only shot I've ever received that actually made me cry. It was injected in a closet supply room (where they keep the vaccines. Weird, I know). As I was talking to my doctor later I felt as if I was going to faint. I didn't actually faint, but I wobbled around for about five minutes. It was really scary, and I think it disproves the "people only faint because they're apprehensive about shots" theory. Sure, I'd rather be getting a painful shot than cervical cancer or genital warts, but the Gardasil shot is not fun.
Comment by Lisa
My daughter had the three shots, the third being over 3 months ago. She still has a lump and increasing pain in her arm. We are now considering surgery, after having mri and other tests. Has anyone else had this problem, and had it resolve!! If I could do it all over again, I WOULD NOT have her have these shots. Comment by Nancy My daughter is 23 got the 2nd shot on 8/8/07 and has had a terrible reaction to the shot. One week after the shot all of her lymph nodes were swollen. She could not open her mouth, her right arm was retracted. We went to the hospital 3 days in a row before any one would agree that she experienced an adverse reaction to the shot. She has tingling in her right fingers off and on. She has to take Valium and Percocetts so she can open her mouth and function. Her voice is very high pitched when she first wakes up. This has been happening for 2 weeks. We are going to an ENT, rhumatologist and a nueruologist in the next month. It's been 2.5 months and she is no better.

(Note: These accounts have not been edited for any spelling or grammatical errors. They have been taken as is from the website.)

I have used this site in a previous article. It seems that the reactions to this vaccine just keep pouring in. It seems that the most common long-term side effect is the injection site pain. One of the postings mentioned the possibility of surgery to remove the painful lump. Some of the posts mention how this pain has hampered their ability to do normal tasks like pulling up their pants or raising their arm.

One of the concerns mentioned was about fertility. I did my due diligence and wanted to see if there was anything reported. Once again, unfortunately, this is what I found.

The website is Vaccination Information Service, located in Australia. Here is an excerpt from an article called "Cervical Cancer Vaccine" "A vaccine that is claimed to prevent cancer is causing damage that is a precursor to cancer?" written by Bronwyn Hancock 20 August 2007

http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/cervical_cancer.html

Naturopath and Iridologist Michael Blake, of Natures Cure Pty Ltd in Dandenong, Melbourne (web site http://www.naturaltherapypages.com.au/therapist/6025) is very concerned at what he has seen in the irises of four girls recently and his conscience will not allow him to stay silent.

In the area of the iris that corresponds to the uterus, in three of the girls he saw tissue damage, and in the fourth he saw drug residue. In each of the four cases, on reporting back to the patient what he was observing, he was informed that the girl had recently received the cervical cancer vaccine. All were virgins.

Tissue damage in the uterus is what he sees in women who have had such things as abortions and prolapses, and can be a precursor to cancer. It can also cause infertility — as it can prevent the embryo from being able to hold on to the uterus wall. It also often results in lack of sensitivity with sexual intercourse, pain, discomfort and/or frequent discharges. Note that it has already been observed that one of the ingredients in the vaccine, polysorbate 80, has been observed to cause infertility in mice. Add to that borax, which is used to kill ants, add neurotoxic immune system sensitizer aluminium hydroxyphosphate, and directly inject all of that and any viral material (which is not proven to be in a harmless form) past the very important natural lines of defense in the immune system, then what do you think we are asking for, trouble or protection? I can't tell you what to do — you must figure it out for yourself.

When I read the above excerpt that states borax, I had an OH MY GOD experience. What if borax is an ingredient in this vaccine??? I had to find out immediately. 

In her first article dated February 6, 2007, she listed the ingredients of this vaccine.

***sorry I cant read all the posts .. this is not stuff I made up nor is it stuff I've written the main goal of my post was to show people how dangerous the HPV shots are.. my kids 14, 5, 9, 5, & 3 get most there shots.. but thise shots have been studied, reasearched & aactually can do some good.. unlike the HPV shot thats supposed to prevent cancer. First of all shots are for virsus cancer is not a virus, there is no reasearch linking HPV to cancer, too many people have suffered or died from this shot to make me feel comfortable allowing my kids to get it. again didnt write the artilces thats why I post websites********

by on Oct. 13, 2012 at 4:17 AM
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nikabear
by Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 7:06 AM
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My daugther recieved the series of shots and was fine. The only reaction that she had was her arm was sore. My cousin also got the series and is fine as well. No problems.....
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emmy526
by Silver Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 7:12 AM

how old are they?  Have they been able to conceive? That is one of the biggest complaints i have heard about this vax as well...trouble concieving in the years following the shot. 

Quoting nikabear:

My daugther recieved the series of shots and was fine. The only reaction that she had was her arm was sore. My cousin also got the series and is fine as well. No problems.....


nikabear
by Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM
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My daugther will be 16 in december and my cousin will be 15 in february so having babies is not on their minds! The only thing that they should be concieving are plans for college!!!.....the only side effect they experienced was a sore injection site


Quoting emmy526:

how old are they?  Have they been able to conceive? That is one of the biggest complaints i have heard about this vax as well...trouble concieving in the years following the shot. 


Quoting nikabear:

My daugther recieved the series of shots and was fine. The only reaction that she had was her arm was sore. My cousin also got the series and is fine as well. No problems.....



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emmy526
by Silver Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 7:37 AM

then you really have nothing to compare them to, since they are not of childbearing age...don't just assume everything is or will be peachy keen for them in their conceptual future.   

Quoting nikabear:

My daugther will be 16 in december and my cousin will be 15 in february so having babies is not on their minds! The only thing that they should be concieving are plans for college!!!.....the only side effect they experienced was a sore injection site


Quoting emmy526:

how old are they?  Have they been able to conceive? That is one of the biggest complaints i have heard about this vax as well...trouble concieving in the years following the shot. 


Quoting nikabear:

My daugther recieved the series of shots and was fine. The only reaction that she had was her arm was sore. My cousin also got the series and is fine as well. No problems.....




lacyleanne
by on Oct. 13, 2012 at 7:57 AM
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I got all three and still conceived a beautiful baby boy. My ovaries are still working. My friend got all three of hers too and conceived. If I have a daughter she will get them too. I've done my research most likely more than you so I'm good to go.


Quoting emmy526:

then you really have nothing to compare them to, since they are not of childbearing age...don't just assume everything is or will be peachy keen for them in their conceptual future.   


Quoting nikabear:

My daugther will be 16 in december and my cousin will be 15 in february so having babies is not on their minds! The only thing that they should be concieving are plans for college!!!.....the only side effect they experienced was a sore injection site





Quoting emmy526:

how old are they?  Have they been able to conceive? That is one of the biggest complaints i have heard about this vax as well...trouble concieving in the years following the shot. 



Quoting nikabear:

My daugther recieved the series of shots and was fine. The only reaction that she had was her arm was sore. My cousin also got the series and is fine as well. No problems.....






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emmy526
by Silver Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 8:00 AM

um,  how the heck would YOU know?  you don't even know my age!!  i am most likely old enough to be your mother!   and i've done research for 24yrs now....how old are you?

Quoting lacyleanne:

I got all three and still conceived a beautiful baby boy. My ovaries are still working. My friend got all three of hers too and conceived. If I have a daughter she will get them too. I've done my research most likely more than you so I'm good to go.


Quoting emmy526:

then you really have nothing to compare them to, since they are not of childbearing age...don't just assume everything is or will be peachy keen for them in their conceptual future.   


Quoting nikabear:

My daugther will be 16 in december and my cousin will be 15 in february so having babies is not on their minds! The only thing that they should be concieving are plans for college!!!.....the only side effect they experienced was a sore injection site





Quoting emmy526:

how old are they?  Have they been able to conceive? That is one of the biggest complaints i have heard about this vax as well...trouble concieving in the years following the shot. 



Quoting nikabear:

My daugther recieved the series of shots and was fine. The only reaction that she had was her arm was sore. My cousin also got the series and is fine as well. No problems.....







startupscafe
by on Oct. 13, 2012 at 8:08 AM

Just homeschool anyway.  You can't take a chance with your child.  I pulled my son out of government schools in 1997 or so, and never looked back.  I know I made the right choice.  He now has a Associate's degree and even has a pilot's license.  You can do so much more with homeschooling.  You, the parent, can enjoy a greater family bond as homeschooling parents are more involved in their children's lives instead of strangers.

Quoting lilmama8408:

Id be pissed if the school gave my kids a shot without my ok. And if we ever live in a state that allowed that id homeschool. Its my choice as their mother what happens until they are legal and able to sign documents.


lacyleanne
by on Oct. 13, 2012 at 8:10 AM
I study allergy/immunology, it's my job to know and I don't use google either. I don't care how old you are. You're not going to change my mind on the subject so getting defensive about is not going to do you any good.


Quoting emmy526:

um,  how the heck would YOU know?  you don't even know my age!!  i am most likely old enough to be your mother!   and i've done research for 24yrs now....how old are you?


Quoting lacyleanne:

I got all three and still conceived a beautiful baby boy. My ovaries are still working. My friend got all three of hers too and conceived. If I have a daughter she will get them too. I've done my research most likely more than you so I'm good to go.





Quoting emmy526:

then you really have nothing to compare them to, since they are not of childbearing age...don't just assume everything is or will be peachy keen for them in their conceptual future.   



Quoting nikabear:

My daugther will be 16 in december and my cousin will be 15 in february so having babies is not on their minds! The only thing that they should be concieving are plans for college!!!.....the only side effect they experienced was a sore injection site








Quoting emmy526:

how old are they?  Have they been able to conceive? That is one of the biggest complaints i have heard about this vax as well...trouble concieving in the years following the shot. 




Quoting nikabear:

My daugther recieved the series of shots and was fine. The only reaction that she had was her arm was sore. My cousin also got the series and is fine as well. No problems.....










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nikabear
by Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 8:46 AM
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You have your opinion and I have mine......your post stated that we are killing our children or hurting them by giving this vaccine correct which means I have every right to comment....my daugther and cousin had the vaccine and are fine....no problems so your information is really not valid in my situation....i did my research and the pros outweighed the cons........


Quoting emmy526:

then you really have nothing to compare them to, since they are not of childbearing age...don't just assume everything is or will be peachy keen for them in their conceptual future.   


Quoting nikabear:

My daugther will be 16 in december and my cousin will be 15 in february so having babies is not on their minds! The only thing that they should be concieving are plans for college!!!.....the only side effect they experienced was a sore injection site





Quoting emmy526:

how old are they?  Have they been able to conceive? That is one of the biggest complaints i have heard about this vax as well...trouble concieving in the years following the shot. 



Quoting nikabear:

My daugther recieved the series of shots and was fine. The only reaction that she had was her arm was sore. My cousin also got the series and is fine as well. No problems.....






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nikabear
by Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 8:48 AM
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Thank you!!! More proof that this post is not valid......my daugther and cousin are fine, you had three beautiful children and so did your friend after the vaccine! Sounds great to me!!!


Quoting lacyleanne:

I got all three and still conceived a beautiful baby boy. My ovaries are still working. My friend got all three of hers too and conceived. If I have a daughter she will get them too. I've done my research most likely more than you so I'm good to go.




Quoting emmy526:

then you really have nothing to compare them to, since they are not of childbearing age...don't just assume everything is or will be peachy keen for them in their conceptual future.   



Quoting nikabear:

My daugther will be 16 in december and my cousin will be 15 in february so having babies is not on their minds! The only thing that they should be concieving are plans for college!!!.....the only side effect they experienced was a sore injection site








Quoting emmy526:

how old are they?  Have they been able to conceive? That is one of the biggest complaints i have heard about this vax as well...trouble concieving in the years following the shot. 




Quoting nikabear:

My daugther recieved the series of shots and was fine. The only reaction that she had was her arm was sore. My cousin also got the series and is fine as well. No problems.....








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