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On friday my daughter is going to the pediatrician

While she is normal weight she spits up a lot, she gets the hiccups several times a day, and she is in general extremely fussy. DH and I think she has reflux, what can the pediatrician do for it? What can we do to help her?


I bf, we don't consume much dairy, but we eat a lot of S. Asian foods that a heavily spiced (turmeric, garam masala, lots of chilies)

by on Jan. 9, 2013 at 4:56 PM
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tossed
by Member on Jan. 14, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Quoting LindaClement:

It can be ... depends on the kinds of spicy foods.

Lots of spicy foods also happen to be extremely high in fat --much of the commercially-available Mexican, for example. Not a lot of the SE Asian super-hot food is high in fat, and the burn itself will have nothing to do with reflux.

Peppermint oil (in fresh leaves or candies) is a more likely culprit than 'spice' as a general statement --because 'spice' includes a lot of foods that have been shown to settle stomachs and lower acid production. And peppermint (and a few other herbs) are natural anaesthetics which numb the haitus valve --making things a whole lot worse.

Hiccoughs are not 'severe' by virtue of being 'often.'

Quoting tossed:

From personal experience...if I eat spicy food, my reflux will be 10 x worse. Also, reflux is diagnosed by a barium x ray or a ph probe...an endoscope is done AFTER the other tests are performed to see if there are additional issues involved.  Severe hiccups can be related to reflux and a hiatal hernia. 

Quoting LindaClement:

Spice has (contrary to a hundred and fifty years of belief-based advice) nothing at all to do with acid reflux (which is probably what your ped will 'diagnose' and prescribe a powerful drug to 'treat' without bothering to do the necessary biopsy to see if it's necessary).

Lots of kids spit up a lot, and hiccoughs are normal in young babies. It probably has nothing at all to do with your diet.




I have lived with reflux for over 40 years and have a son with severe reflux who has had to have 2 major surgeries as a result and who will still have to be on medication for the rest of his life. Let's just say that your comments have not been born out by a lifetime of living with the condition. This is a link to a good article on breastfed infants with reflux http://www.breastfeeding-problems.com/acid-reflux-in-babies.html
LindaClement
by on Jan. 14, 2013 at 3:27 PM

I don't suppose it's worth mentioning the stats of people in, say, India?

Part of the problem is what people mean when they say 'spice' and what 'spice' actually comprises.

Cinnamon affects the gastric system in very, very different ways than ginger, cardamom, cumin, cayenne and black pepper.

Quoting tossed:


Quoting LindaClement:

It can be ... depends on the kinds of spicy foods.

Lots of spicy foods also happen to be extremely high in fat --much of the commercially-available Mexican, for example. Not a lot of the SE Asian super-hot food is high in fat, and the burn itself will have nothing to do with reflux.

Peppermint oil (in fresh leaves or candies) is a more likely culprit than 'spice' as a general statement --because 'spice' includes a lot of foods that have been shown to settle stomachs and lower acid production. And peppermint (and a few other herbs) are natural anaesthetics which numb the haitus valve --making things a whole lot worse.

Hiccoughs are not 'severe' by virtue of being 'often.'

Quoting tossed:

From personal experience...if I eat spicy food, my reflux will be 10 x worse. Also, reflux is diagnosed by a barium x ray or a ph probe...an endoscope is done AFTER the other tests are performed to see if there are additional issues involved.  Severe hiccups can be related to reflux and a hiatal hernia. 

Quoting LindaClement:

Spice has (contrary to a hundred and fifty years of belief-based advice) nothing at all to do with acid reflux (which is probably what your ped will 'diagnose' and prescribe a powerful drug to 'treat' without bothering to do the necessary biopsy to see if it's necessary).

Lots of kids spit up a lot, and hiccoughs are normal in young babies. It probably has nothing at all to do with your diet.




I have lived with reflux for over 40 years and have a son with severe reflux who has had to have 2 major surgeries as a result and who will still have to be on medication for the rest of his life. Let's just say that your comments have not been born out by a lifetime of living with the condition. This is a link to a good article on breastfed infants with reflux http://www.breastfeeding-problems.com/acid-reflux-in-babies.html


frndlyfn
by Platinum Member on Jan. 14, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Cut out the spicy foods, she may have to be put on a medicine to help with reflux if that is what she has.  

tossed
by Member on Jan. 14, 2013 at 5:12 PM


Quoting LindaClement:

I don't suppose it's worth mentioning the stats of people in, say, India?

Part of the problem is what people mean when they say 'spice' and what 'spice' actually comprises.

Cinnamon affects the gastric system in very, very different ways than ginger, cardamom, cumin, cayenne and black pepper.

Quoting tossed:


Quoting LindaClement:

It can be ... depends on the kinds of spicy foods.

Lots of spicy foods also happen to be extremely high in fat --much of the commercially-available Mexican, for example. Not a lot of the SE Asian super-hot food is high in fat, and the burn itself will have nothing to do with reflux.

Peppermint oil (in fresh leaves or candies) is a more likely culprit than 'spice' as a general statement --because 'spice' includes a lot of foods that have been shown to settle stomachs and lower acid production. And peppermint (and a few other herbs) are natural anaesthetics which numb the haitus valve --making things a whole lot worse.

Hiccoughs are not 'severe' by virtue of being 'often.'

Quoting tossed:

From personal experience...if I eat spicy food, my reflux will be 10 x worse. Also, reflux is diagnosed by a barium x ray or a ph probe...an endoscope is done AFTER the other tests are performed to see if there are additional issues involved.  Severe hiccups can be related to reflux and a hiatal hernia. 

Quoting LindaClement:

Spice has (contrary to a hundred and fifty years of belief-based advice) nothing at all to do with acid reflux (which is probably what your ped will 'diagnose' and prescribe a powerful drug to 'treat' without bothering to do the necessary biopsy to see if it's necessary).

Lots of kids spit up a lot, and hiccoughs are normal in young babies. It probably has nothing at all to do with your diet.




I have lived with reflux for over 40 years and have a son with severe reflux who has had to have 2 major surgeries as a result and who will still have to be on medication for the rest of his life. Let's just say that your comments have not been born out by a lifetime of living with the condition. This is a link to a good article on breastfed infants with reflux http://www.breastfeeding-problems.com/acid-reflux-in-babies.html


Considering that many in India lack advanced (or even basic) healthcare, the stats would be irrelevant. I had a roommate who was from Pakistan and my sons have an entire section of the family that is Pakistani, so I am very aware of their cooking methods and ingredients. I will stick with the advice and information we have been given by our GIs and pedi GIs, one of whom is among 2 doctors certified in TX to deal with the level of reflux and motility issues my son faces. When I say severe reflux, I am talking about full reflux 30% of the time lasting for up to 45 minutes an episode even after his first nissen fundoplication. We have tried various medications, diet changes, physical changes, and surgeries. As a result of his lifetime of medical issues, my son is pursuing a career as a doctor. He is close to completing the first degree on his journey. As she has planned, the op should seek the advice of her doctor and, if deemed appropriate, see the appropriate pediatric specialist. My experience was that specialists associated with a major pediatric hospital are best. Have a good day.

clp0930
by on Jan. 14, 2013 at 5:19 PM
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Quoting tossed:


Quoting LindaClement:

I don't suppose it's worth mentioning the stats of people in, say, India?

Part of the problem is what people mean when they say 'spice' and what 'spice' actually comprises.

Cinnamon affects the gastric system in very, very different ways than ginger, cardamom, cumin, cayenne and black pepper.

Quoting tossed:


Quoting LindaClement:

It can be ... depends on the kinds of spicy foods.

Lots of spicy foods also happen to be extremely high in fat --much of the commercially-available Mexican, for example. Not a lot of the SE Asian super-hot food is high in fat, and the burn itself will have nothing to do with reflux.

Peppermint oil (in fresh leaves or candies) is a more likely culprit than 'spice' as a general statement --because 'spice' includes a lot of foods that have been shown to settle stomachs and lower acid production. And peppermint (and a few other herbs) are natural anaesthetics which numb the haitus valve --making things a whole lot worse.

Hiccoughs are not 'severe' by virtue of being 'often.'

Quoting tossed:

From personal experience...if I eat spicy food, my reflux will be 10 x worse. Also, reflux is diagnosed by a barium x ray or a ph probe...an endoscope is done AFTER the other tests are performed to see if there are additional issues involved.  Severe hiccups can be related to reflux and a hiatal hernia. 

Quoting LindaClement:

Spice has (contrary to a hundred and fifty years of belief-based advice) nothing at all to do with acid reflux (which is probably what your ped will 'diagnose' and prescribe a powerful drug to 'treat' without bothering to do the necessary biopsy to see if it's necessary).

Lots of kids spit up a lot, and hiccoughs are normal in young babies. It probably has nothing at all to do with your diet.




I have lived with reflux for over 40 years and have a son with severe reflux who has had to have 2 major surgeries as a result and who will still have to be on medication for the rest of his life. Let's just say that your comments have not been born out by a lifetime of living with the condition. This is a link to a good article on breastfed infants with reflux http://www.breastfeeding-problems.com/acid-reflux-in-babies.html


Considering that many in India lack advanced (or even basic) healthcare, the stats would be irrelevant. I had a roommate who was from Pakistan and my sons have an entire section of the family that is Pakistani, so I am very aware of their cooking methods and ingredients. I will stick with the advice and information we have been given by our GIs and pedi GIs, one of whom is among 2 doctors certified in TX to deal with the level of reflux and motility issues my son faces. When I say severe reflux, I am talking about full reflux 30% of the time lasting for up to 45 minutes an episode even after his first nissen fundoplication. We have tried various medications, diet changes, physical changes, and surgeries. As a result of his lifetime of medical issues, my son is pursuing a career as a doctor. He is close to completing the first degree on his journey. As she has planned, the op should seek the advice of her doctor and, if deemed appropriate, see the appropriate pediatric specialist. My experience was that specialists associated with a major pediatric hospital are best. Have a good day.

My husband is Indian and he's the one with GERD, lol I have the iron stomach

tossed
by Member on Jan. 14, 2013 at 5:57 PM


Quoting LindaClement:

I don't suppose it's worth mentioning the stats of people in, say, India?

Part of the problem is what people mean when they say 'spice' and what 'spice' actually comprises.

Cinnamon affects the gastric system in very, very different ways than ginger, cardamom, cumin, cayenne and black pepper.

Quoting tossed:


Quoting LindaClement:

It can be ... depends on the kinds of spicy foods.

Lots of spicy foods also happen to be extremely high in fat --much of the commercially-available Mexican, for example. Not a lot of the SE Asian super-hot food is high in fat, and the burn itself will have nothing to do with reflux.

Peppermint oil (in fresh leaves or candies) is a more likely culprit than 'spice' as a general statement --because 'spice' includes a lot of foods that have been shown to settle stomachs and lower acid production. And peppermint (and a few other herbs) are natural anaesthetics which numb the haitus valve --making things a whole lot worse.

Hiccoughs are not 'severe' by virtue of being 'often.'

Quoting tossed:

From personal experience...if I eat spicy food, my reflux will be 10 x worse. Also, reflux is diagnosed by a barium x ray or a ph probe...an endoscope is done AFTER the other tests are performed to see if there are additional issues involved.  Severe hiccups can be related to reflux and a hiatal hernia. 

Quoting LindaClement:

Spice has (contrary to a hundred and fifty years of belief-based advice) nothing at all to do with acid reflux (which is probably what your ped will 'diagnose' and prescribe a powerful drug to 'treat' without bothering to do the necessary biopsy to see if it's necessary).

Lots of kids spit up a lot, and hiccoughs are normal in young babies. It probably has nothing at all to do with your diet.




I have lived with reflux for over 40 years and have a son with severe reflux who has had to have 2 major surgeries as a result and who will still have to be on medication for the rest of his life. Let's just say that your comments have not been born out by a lifetime of living with the condition. This is a link to a good article on breastfed infants with reflux http://www.breastfeeding-problems.com/acid-reflux-in-babies.html


Just for grins, I checked. In urban areas of India, the same prevalence of GERD is found.

Prevalence of GERD in an urban adult population from northern India is 16.2% which is similar to other industrialized countries. from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21061110

Some authors have found few population based studies on the prevalence of GERD, however, Wong, et al found that GERD rates are increasing in Asia. The study broke down geographic areas of the continent. I found Wong's explantion fascinating and it related to the Asian body and cells as to one reason GERD seemed to be under reported.

Symptoms like gastro-esophageal regur­gitation disease (GERD) occur as com­monly in village people as in large towns and cities in India. These symptoms have been commonly termed as GERD and are treated as GERD.

http://www.indianjmedsci.org/article.asp?issn=0019-5359;year=2002;volume=56;issue=8;spage=371;epage=372;aulast=Patel

There are other reports on the increase in documented cases of GERD in India...researchers are just beginning to expore the subject. 

Mom2Just1
by Mom2boys on Jan. 14, 2013 at 6:23 PM

I know for my son if I eat anything spicy...it messes with his tummy.

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LindaClement
by on Jan. 14, 2013 at 7:08 PM

I always have good days.

I suggest you investigate the healthcare systems in India, where the maternal and infant mortality rates are lower than in the US.

India is not Pakistan, a fact that I have no doubt your roommate will happily shout into your face in case you remain confused.

Quoting tossed:


Quoting LindaClement:

I don't suppose it's worth mentioning the stats of people in, say, India?

Part of the problem is what people mean when they say 'spice' and what 'spice' actually comprises.

Cinnamon affects the gastric system in very, very different ways than ginger, cardamom, cumin, cayenne and black pepper.

Quoting tossed:


Quoting LindaClement:

It can be ... depends on the kinds of spicy foods.

Lots of spicy foods also happen to be extremely high in fat --much of the commercially-available Mexican, for example. Not a lot of the SE Asian super-hot food is high in fat, and the burn itself will have nothing to do with reflux.

Peppermint oil (in fresh leaves or candies) is a more likely culprit than 'spice' as a general statement --because 'spice' includes a lot of foods that have been shown to settle stomachs and lower acid production. And peppermint (and a few other herbs) are natural anaesthetics which numb the haitus valve --making things a whole lot worse.

Hiccoughs are not 'severe' by virtue of being 'often.'

Quoting tossed:

From personal experience...if I eat spicy food, my reflux will be 10 x worse. Also, reflux is diagnosed by a barium x ray or a ph probe...an endoscope is done AFTER the other tests are performed to see if there are additional issues involved.  Severe hiccups can be related to reflux and a hiatal hernia. 

Quoting LindaClement:

Spice has (contrary to a hundred and fifty years of belief-based advice) nothing at all to do with acid reflux (which is probably what your ped will 'diagnose' and prescribe a powerful drug to 'treat' without bothering to do the necessary biopsy to see if it's necessary).

Lots of kids spit up a lot, and hiccoughs are normal in young babies. It probably has nothing at all to do with your diet.




I have lived with reflux for over 40 years and have a son with severe reflux who has had to have 2 major surgeries as a result and who will still have to be on medication for the rest of his life. Let's just say that your comments have not been born out by a lifetime of living with the condition. This is a link to a good article on breastfed infants with reflux http://www.breastfeeding-problems.com/acid-reflux-in-babies.html


Considering that many in India lack advanced (or even basic) healthcare, the stats would be irrelevant. I had a roommate who was from Pakistan and my sons have an entire section of the family that is Pakistani, so I am very aware of their cooking methods and ingredients. I will stick with the advice and information we have been given by our GIs and pedi GIs, one of whom is among 2 doctors certified in TX to deal with the level of reflux and motility issues my son faces. When I say severe reflux, I am talking about full reflux 30% of the time lasting for up to 45 minutes an episode even after his first nissen fundoplication. We have tried various medications, diet changes, physical changes, and surgeries. As a result of his lifetime of medical issues, my son is pursuing a career as a doctor. He is close to completing the first degree on his journey. As she has planned, the op should seek the advice of her doctor and, if deemed appropriate, see the appropriate pediatric specialist. My experience was that specialists associated with a major pediatric hospital are best. Have a good day.


LindaClement
by on Jan. 14, 2013 at 7:09 PM

So, attributed to increase in westernized diets and lifestyles, or just an increase in diagnosis?

Quoting tossed:


Quoting LindaClement:

I don't suppose it's worth mentioning the stats of people in, say, India?

Part of the problem is what people mean when they say 'spice' and what 'spice' actually comprises.

Cinnamon affects the gastric system in very, very different ways than ginger, cardamom, cumin, cayenne and black pepper.

Quoting tossed:


Quoting LindaClement:

It can be ... depends on the kinds of spicy foods.

Lots of spicy foods also happen to be extremely high in fat --much of the commercially-available Mexican, for example. Not a lot of the SE Asian super-hot food is high in fat, and the burn itself will have nothing to do with reflux.

Peppermint oil (in fresh leaves or candies) is a more likely culprit than 'spice' as a general statement --because 'spice' includes a lot of foods that have been shown to settle stomachs and lower acid production. And peppermint (and a few other herbs) are natural anaesthetics which numb the haitus valve --making things a whole lot worse.

Hiccoughs are not 'severe' by virtue of being 'often.'

Quoting tossed:

From personal experience...if I eat spicy food, my reflux will be 10 x worse. Also, reflux is diagnosed by a barium x ray or a ph probe...an endoscope is done AFTER the other tests are performed to see if there are additional issues involved.  Severe hiccups can be related to reflux and a hiatal hernia. 

Quoting LindaClement:

Spice has (contrary to a hundred and fifty years of belief-based advice) nothing at all to do with acid reflux (which is probably what your ped will 'diagnose' and prescribe a powerful drug to 'treat' without bothering to do the necessary biopsy to see if it's necessary).

Lots of kids spit up a lot, and hiccoughs are normal in young babies. It probably has nothing at all to do with your diet.




I have lived with reflux for over 40 years and have a son with severe reflux who has had to have 2 major surgeries as a result and who will still have to be on medication for the rest of his life. Let's just say that your comments have not been born out by a lifetime of living with the condition. This is a link to a good article on breastfed infants with reflux http://www.breastfeeding-problems.com/acid-reflux-in-babies.html


Just for grins, I checked. In urban areas of India, the same prevalence of GERD is found.

Prevalence of GERD in an urban adult population from northern India is 16.2% which is similar to other industrialized countries. from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21061110

Some authors have found few population based studies on the prevalence of GERD, however, Wong, et al found that GERD rates are increasing in Asia. The study broke down geographic areas of the continent. I found Wong's explantion fascinating and it related to the Asian body and cells as to one reason GERD seemed to be under reported.

Symptoms like gastro-esophageal regur­gitation disease (GERD) occur as com­monly in village people as in large towns and cities in India. These symptoms have been commonly termed as GERD and are treated as GERD.

http://www.indianjmedsci.org/article.asp?issn=0019-5359;year=2002;volume=56;issue=8;spage=371;epage=372;aulast=Patel

There are other reports on the increase in documented cases of GERD in India...researchers are just beginning to expore the subject. 


tossed
by Member on Jan. 14, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Well, since half of her family is from India, no. The spices are very, very hot. I don't care...this was a discussion of GERD. Something you obviously have a serious misunderstanding about. 

Quoting LindaClement:

I always have good days.

I suggest you investigate the healthcare systems in India, where the maternal and infant mortality rates are lower than in the US.

India is not Pakistan, a fact that I have no doubt your roommate will happily shout into your face in case you remain confused.

Quoting tossed:


Quoting LindaClement:

I don't suppose it's worth mentioning the stats of people in, say, India?

Part of the problem is what people mean when they say 'spice' and what 'spice' actually comprises.

Cinnamon affects the gastric system in very, very different ways than ginger, cardamom, cumin, cayenne and black pepper.

Quoting tossed:


Quoting LindaClement:

It can be ... depends on the kinds of spicy foods.

Lots of spicy foods also happen to be extremely high in fat --much of the commercially-available Mexican, for example. Not a lot of the SE Asian super-hot food is high in fat, and the burn itself will have nothing to do with reflux.

Peppermint oil (in fresh leaves or candies) is a more likely culprit than 'spice' as a general statement --because 'spice' includes a lot of foods that have been shown to settle stomachs and lower acid production. And peppermint (and a few other herbs) are natural anaesthetics which numb the haitus valve --making things a whole lot worse.

Hiccoughs are not 'severe' by virtue of being 'often.'

Quoting tossed:

From personal experience...if I eat spicy food, my reflux will be 10 x worse. Also, reflux is diagnosed by a barium x ray or a ph probe...an endoscope is done AFTER the other tests are performed to see if there are additional issues involved.  Severe hiccups can be related to reflux and a hiatal hernia. 

Quoting LindaClement:

Spice has (contrary to a hundred and fifty years of belief-based advice) nothing at all to do with acid reflux (which is probably what your ped will 'diagnose' and prescribe a powerful drug to 'treat' without bothering to do the necessary biopsy to see if it's necessary).

Lots of kids spit up a lot, and hiccoughs are normal in young babies. It probably has nothing at all to do with your diet.




I have lived with reflux for over 40 years and have a son with severe reflux who has had to have 2 major surgeries as a result and who will still have to be on medication for the rest of his life. Let's just say that your comments have not been born out by a lifetime of living with the condition. This is a link to a good article on breastfed infants with reflux http://www.breastfeeding-problems.com/acid-reflux-in-babies.html


Considering that many in India lack advanced (or even basic) healthcare, the stats would be irrelevant. I had a roommate who was from Pakistan and my sons have an entire section of the family that is Pakistani, so I am very aware of their cooking methods and ingredients. I will stick with the advice and information we have been given by our GIs and pedi GIs, one of whom is among 2 doctors certified in TX to deal with the level of reflux and motility issues my son faces. When I say severe reflux, I am talking about full reflux 30% of the time lasting for up to 45 minutes an episode even after his first nissen fundoplication. We have tried various medications, diet changes, physical changes, and surgeries. As a result of his lifetime of medical issues, my son is pursuing a career as a doctor. He is close to completing the first degree on his journey. As she has planned, the op should seek the advice of her doctor and, if deemed appropriate, see the appropriate pediatric specialist. My experience was that specialists associated with a major pediatric hospital are best. Have a good day.



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