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If you choose not to BF, and your child gets a disease that could have been prevented ...

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I'm not bashing anyone, or trying to cause fights, so lets respect each other's answers... I would just like a conversation started  where people share their thoughts and opinions on this topic...

I'll start out by saying this: My father was bottle fed after he got really ill, almost died, and the shock to my grandmother's system made her dry up. I was bottle fed too and so was my sibling. However I choose to BF my LO because I feel that I can protect her against diseases like diabetes, acute appendicitis, rheumatoid arthritis, inguinal hernia and ploric stenosis, to name a few.

So my question is this: If you choose not to BF and in 10, 20, 30, 40 years your DD or DS got diagnosed with an illness that is life changing, would you like to turn back the years and BF as it would reduce your child's risk to this disease or do you think your child won't get it, or do you think your child will get it no matter what you do today?


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Firstly I would like to thank everyone that shared their stories. I'm sorry to hear about so many children that is affected by diabetes. I chose diabetes as an example because I was diagnosed with GD that didn't go away and stayed after my daughter was born. There is no family history of diabetes, across family where my grandfather was one of 18 children and my other grandfather one of 11, so I have a huge family. I'm not overweight. I've always eaten healthy food, loved salad and vegetables  etc and yet, now I'm diabetic. 

So my reason for asking was not to make people feel like their parenting choices were bad or that breastfeeding is better or to make moms feel like failures or that they should blame themselves. I'm trying to figure out WHAT on earth LED to MY illness. As a mom I would most definitely go back and redo something I did wrong if I had the means to do so. We all do our best, but we all want a do over.

The illnesses that I quoted in my original question was what I researched on the web. Not something I sucked out of my thumb. And just to clarify AGAIN, I'm not accusing anybody. I was ff. I read a lot of interesting answers that made me think. I need people to challenge my thoughts so that I can push myself further into trying to understand this condition. BECAUSE I AM DIABETIC, my child has a risk of being diabetic. I'm allowed to ask questions without having to be insulted. Trust me if I wanted to insult mothers, you would know about it.

I do believe that breastfeeding reduces your child's risk to these diseases and others thats not mentioned. I don't however said that it would PREVENT them from getting it. So please don't misquote me.


by on Feb. 18, 2013 at 4:18 AM
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tyfry7496
by Silver Member on Feb. 21, 2013 at 7:18 PM
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Even research in peer medical journals can be manipulated to get the results that are wanted.

Quoting Randi02:

Yes, but not in a peer reviewed medical journal lol.

Breastfeeding contains many protective properties that support proper thymus growth, and pancreatic function. Certain infections during infancy can also be a trigger - and breastfeeding promotes optimal immune function. I don't need to ask anybody anything, I understand how this works - and any credible medical source will state that not breastfeeding increases the risk for several diseases, type 1 diabetes being one of them. I'm sorry if that upsets you, but it doesn't make it any less true.

Quoting soontobemomof2k:


I dont need to read it, anyone can get anything published nowadays. Like i said, ask an endocrinologist you can actually talk to face to face, not something you read online. I already know the truth and I dont need to continue to argue my point since I know whats right so I am done with this post. 

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michiganmom5150
by on Feb. 21, 2013 at 7:19 PM
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I honestly believe bf is best, and I did for a short time with my first and longer with my second. I truly think a lot of illness is caused by the crap that is injected into our food. The pesticides and hormones in the meat. Even going organic isn't 100% safe. Also things in the atmosphere.
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Randi02
by Platinum Member on Feb. 21, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Yes, it's a big conspiracy to make the formula feeding mothers feel badly. There are huge financial gains to be had by manipulating the data to make breastfeeding look beneficial and protective.

Quoting tyfry7496:

Even research in peer medical journals can be manipulated to get the results that are wanted.

Quoting Randi02:

Yes, but not in a peer reviewed medical journal lol.

Breastfeeding contains many protective properties that support proper thymus growth, and pancreatic function. Certain infections during infancy can also be a trigger - and breastfeeding promotes optimal immune function. I don't need to ask anybody anything, I understand how this works - and any credible medical source will state that not breastfeeding increases the risk for several diseases, type 1 diabetes being one of them. I'm sorry if that upsets you, but it doesn't make it any less true.

Quoting soontobemomof2k:


I dont need to read it, anyone can get anything published nowadays. Like i said, ask an endocrinologist you can actually talk to face to face, not something you read online. I already know the truth and I dont need to continue to argue my point since I know whats right so I am done with this post. 


soontobemomof2k
by on Feb. 21, 2013 at 7:23 PM


My daughter's pancreas was fine until she got coxsackie (hand foot and mouth disease). I think more than half of kids under 5 get it. It's hard on the body and I don't care how much immunity you have, children are gonna get it if exposed to it. 

You can look up the studies on coxsackie linked to t1d since you like research so much. There are stufies about it. With my daughters predisposition to an autoimmune disorder because of my mom and her parents, coupled with coxsackie, that's what did it. IN FACT, my daughters first dr explained to me that her immune system worked TOO well against the coxsackie. Coxsackie cells mimic pancreas cells. Her body tried too hard to get rid of it and wound up killing the pancreas cells. Does that have anything to do with breast feeding? No, they already said her immune system was TOO good. Obviously sometimes being too good is not actually good.  Breastfeeding would've done nothing in my situation. Before the coxsackie, she was a picture of perfect health. I would bet money that if I were to breastfeed the next, and that child got coxsackie or a different virus that's hard on the body, that they would get diabetes because my kids will always be predispositioned. If children have the gene or the predisposition to have it, I'm sorry, but breastfeeding isn't going to stop it from coming out

Quoting Randi02:

Yes, but not in a peer reviewed medical journal lol.

Breastfeeding contains many protective properties that support proper thymus growth, and pancreatic function. Certain infections during infancy can also be a trigger - and breastfeeding promotes optimal immune function. I don't need to ask anybody anything, I understand how this works - and any credible medical source will state that not breastfeeding increases the risk for several diseases, type 1 diabetes being one of them. I'm sorry if that upsets you, but it doesn't make it any less true.

Quoting soontobemomof2k:


I dont need to read it, anyone can get anything published nowadays. Like i said, ask an endocrinologist you can actually talk to face to face, not something you read online. I already know the truth and I dont need to continue to argue my point since I know whats right so I am done with this post. 



soontobemomof2k
by on Feb. 21, 2013 at 7:29 PM

I'm not a diabetic mother..However, I do know that about half of the children of diabetic parents get diabetes, whether it be the mother or father. I personally don't think that's an accurate study if they are actually using kids with diabetic mothers. Of course over 60% of those kids are going to get it. I know that when my daughter grows up and say, has 4 kids, at least 2 of them are going to have diabetes whether she breastfeeds or not. THAT is definitely in the DNA of children with diabetic parents. That CANNOT be prevented. 


Quoting Randi02:

A lot of these studies involve children of diabetic mothers. They track how long they were breastfed, whether it was exclusive etc.

The studies all show that exclusive breastfeeding for 3+ months offers protection against diabetes. Exclusive formula feeding, especially with a cow's milk based formula, puts the infant at the greatest risk.

Quoting soontobemomof2k:

Like I said, I know the truth. I personally dont care whats published. I know it has nothing to do with breastfeeding or formula feeding. I'm sorry you believe this article. How are these studies actually accurate? Before even feeding your child when they are born, do they go through the child's genome to see if they are genetically predispositioned to anything? No. So whoopy freakin do if more formula fed babies come out with diabetes... just means more of them were predispositioned. Most studies are coincedences


Sorry, no one will change my mind. 


Quoting stepconfused182:

Did you know that they have recently discovered that Alzheimers disease is a type of insulin resistance in the brain, making it a type of diabetes. These are the type of discoveries made with clinical trials which is what these type of journal articles are citing. My point is, this is not "ridiculous research". It is not "bs" and not believing it or choosing to remain uneducated and cynical is not going to make it untrue. It is derived from studies and the data is scientific. It is perfectly fine for you to have an opinion and believe what you want to believe but that does not make the truth non existent. It is a fact that studies are finding that formula feeding DOES increase the risk of Type 1 diabetes. I am sorry your daughter has DM and I am sure you manage it very well and have a lot of knowledge regarding that topic. But it still remains fact that when compared with breastfed babies, formula fed babies have a higher risk of this. No one is judging the reason for your choice to ff nor are they saying you did anything wrong or are at fault. It is just a stated fact.



MissTacoBell
by Silver Member on Feb. 21, 2013 at 7:31 PM
Diseases are not prevented by bfing. That is a fallacy. I don't dispute that doing so reduces the risks associated with them but:

One does not become obese from being ffed. One becomes obese from poor diet and lack of exercise. Just because a child is not bfed does not mean they are going to bee line for the hostess (rip). That is taught. Thyroid problems make being obese more likely since it makes weight loss harder. Ergo, not bfing increases the risk of thyroid problems, not obesity.

Ten, 20, 30 years down the line if my child gets cancer, might bfing have decreased their odds? Perhaps. Would it have PREVENTED it? Or course not. I can chain smoke from 18-38 and quit cold turkey and in ten years ill have lost all the effects. There was a very well regarded study to that effect. How can it be argued that the first 12 months of life dictate the next 360?
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soontobemomof2k
by on Feb. 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM


Especially since this person just explained to me that the studies are mostly made up of diabetic mothers. YES, more than half of those kids are going to be diabetic! Type 1 is extremely genetic. Very very biased. 

Quoting tyfry7496:

Even research in peer medical journals can be manipulated to get the results that are wanted.

Quoting Randi02:

Yes, but not in a peer reviewed medical journal lol.

Breastfeeding contains many protective properties that support proper thymus growth, and pancreatic function. Certain infections during infancy can also be a trigger - and breastfeeding promotes optimal immune function. I don't need to ask anybody anything, I understand how this works - and any credible medical source will state that not breastfeeding increases the risk for several diseases, type 1 diabetes being one of them. I'm sorry if that upsets you, but it doesn't make it any less true.

Quoting soontobemomof2k:


I dont need to read it, anyone can get anything published nowadays. Like i said, ask an endocrinologist you can actually talk to face to face, not something you read online. I already know the truth and I dont need to continue to argue my point since I know whats right so I am done with this post. 



MissTacoBell
by Silver Member on Feb. 21, 2013 at 7:41 PM
They are essentially pitting the population variance in the sample versus the assumed mean percentage of hereditary diabetes to show a trend that could be easily attributed to the standard variance.

People who don't understand statistics (or most of America) see the highlighted figure and draw their conclusions. Sad really.


Quoting soontobemomof2k:

I'm not a diabetic mother..However, I do know that about half of the children of diabetic parents get diabetes, whether it be the mother or father. I personally don't think that's an accurate study if they are actually using kids with diabetic mothers. Of course over 60% of those kids are going to get it. I know that when my daughter grows up and say, has 4 kids, at least 2 of them are going to have diabetes whether she breastfeeds or not. THAT is definitely in the DNA of children with diabetic parents. That CANNOT be prevented. 



Quoting Randi02:

A lot of these studies involve children of diabetic mothers. They track how long they were breastfed, whether it was exclusive etc.

The studies all show that exclusive breastfeeding for 3+ months offers protection against diabetes. Exclusive formula feeding, especially with a cow's milk based formula, puts the infant at the greatest risk.

Quoting soontobemomof2k:

Like I said, I know the truth. I personally dont care whats published. I know it has nothing to do with breastfeeding or formula feeding. I'm sorry you believe this article. How are these studies actually accurate? Before even feeding your child when they are born, do they go through the child's genome to see if they are genetically predispositioned to anything? No. So whoopy freakin do if more formula fed babies come out with diabetes... just means more of them were predispositioned. Most studies are coincedences


Sorry, no one will change my mind. 



Quoting stepconfused182:

Did you know that they have recently discovered that Alzheimers disease is a type of insulin resistance in the brain, making it a type of diabetes. These are the type of discoveries made with clinical trials which is what these type of journal articles are citing. My point is, this is not "ridiculous research". It is not "bs" and not believing it or choosing to remain uneducated and cynical is not going to make it untrue. It is derived from studies and the data is scientific. It is perfectly fine for you to have an opinion and believe what you want to believe but that does not make the truth non existent. It is a fact that studies are finding that formula feeding DOES increase the risk of Type 1 diabetes. I am sorry your daughter has DM and I am sure you manage it very well and have a lot of knowledge regarding that topic. But it still remains fact that when compared with breastfed babies, formula fed babies have a higher risk of this. No one is judging the reason for your choice to ff nor are they saying you did anything wrong or are at fault. It is just a stated fact.





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Randi02
by Platinum Member on Feb. 21, 2013 at 7:41 PM

You were wondering if those children were predisposed and if they had any idea if the child was going to have diabetes anyway. Not all of the studies are done on children with diabetic mothers.

Children who are formula fed are more likely to develop diabetes. They are more likely to suffer from ear infections, obesity and leukemia etc. too. They are missing out on hundreds of ingredients in breast milk that cannot be replicated. They are missing out on immune support, proper digestive maturation and brain development. It's no different than a baby being born prematurely - they are missing out on that extra time in the womb and it puts them at a greater risk for all sorts of ailments. Breastfeeding is the natural continuation of pregnancy and you are increasing the risks for your child by withholding that.

If you were secure in your decision to formula feed, own it. Don't try and negate facts because things didn't turn out perfectly for your child, and she now has something that you could have offered her some protection from.

Quoting soontobemomof2k:

I'm not a diabetic mother..However, I do know that about half of the children of diabetic parents get diabetes, whether it be the mother or father. I personally don't think that's an accurate study if they are actually using kids with diabetic mothers. Of course over 60% of those kids are going to get it. I know that when my daughter grows up and say, has 4 kids, at least 2 of them are going to have diabetes whether she breastfeeds or not. THAT is definitely in the DNA of children with diabetic parents. That CANNOT be prevented. 


Quoting Randi02:

A lot of these studies involve children of diabetic mothers. They track how long they were breastfed, whether it was exclusive etc.

The studies all show that exclusive breastfeeding for 3+ months offers protection against diabetes. Exclusive formula feeding, especially with a cow's milk based formula, puts the infant at the greatest risk.

Quoting soontobemomof2k:

Like I said, I know the truth. I personally dont care whats published. I know it has nothing to do with breastfeeding or formula feeding. I'm sorry you believe this article. How are these studies actually accurate? Before even feeding your child when they are born, do they go through the child's genome to see if they are genetically predispositioned to anything? No. So whoopy freakin do if more formula fed babies come out with diabetes... just means more of them were predispositioned. Most studies are coincedences


Sorry, no one will change my mind. 


Quoting stepconfused182:

Did you know that they have recently discovered that Alzheimers disease is a type of insulin resistance in the brain, making it a type of diabetes. These are the type of discoveries made with clinical trials which is what these type of journal articles are citing. My point is, this is not "ridiculous research". It is not "bs" and not believing it or choosing to remain uneducated and cynical is not going to make it untrue. It is derived from studies and the data is scientific. It is perfectly fine for you to have an opinion and believe what you want to believe but that does not make the truth non existent. It is a fact that studies are finding that formula feeding DOES increase the risk of Type 1 diabetes. I am sorry your daughter has DM and I am sure you manage it very well and have a lot of knowledge regarding that topic. But it still remains fact that when compared with breastfed babies, formula fed babies have a higher risk of this. No one is judging the reason for your choice to ff nor are they saying you did anything wrong or are at fault. It is just a stated fact.




soontobemomof2k
by on Feb. 21, 2013 at 7:47 PM


Fuck you. Thats all i have to say. You believe stupid studies

Quoting Randi02:

You were wondering if those children were predisposed and if they had any idea if the child was going to have diabetes anyway. Not all of the studies are done on children with diabetic mothers.

Children who are formula fed are more likely to develop diabetes. They are more likely to suffer from ear infections, obesity and leukemia etc. too. They are missing out on hundreds of ingredients in breast milk that cannot be replicated. They are missing out on immune support, proper digestive maturation and brain development. It's no different than a baby being born prematurely - they are missing out on that extra time in the womb and it puts them at a greater risk for all sorts of ailments. Breastfeeding is the natural continuation of pregnancy and you are increasing the risks for your child by withholding that.

If you were secure in your decision to formula feed, own it. Don't try and negate facts because things didn't turn out perfectly for your child, and she now has something that you could have offered her some protection from.

Quoting soontobemomof2k:

I'm not a diabetic mother..However, I do know that about half of the children of diabetic parents get diabetes, whether it be the mother or father. I personally don't think that's an accurate study if they are actually using kids with diabetic mothers. Of course over 60% of those kids are going to get it. I know that when my daughter grows up and say, has 4 kids, at least 2 of them are going to have diabetes whether she breastfeeds or not. THAT is definitely in the DNA of children with diabetic parents. That CANNOT be prevented. 


Quoting Randi02:

A lot of these studies involve children of diabetic mothers. They track how long they were breastfed, whether it was exclusive etc.

The studies all show that exclusive breastfeeding for 3+ months offers protection against diabetes. Exclusive formula feeding, especially with a cow's milk based formula, puts the infant at the greatest risk.

Quoting soontobemomof2k:

Like I said, I know the truth. I personally dont care whats published. I know it has nothing to do with breastfeeding or formula feeding. I'm sorry you believe this article. How are these studies actually accurate? Before even feeding your child when they are born, do they go through the child's genome to see if they are genetically predispositioned to anything? No. So whoopy freakin do if more formula fed babies come out with diabetes... just means more of them were predispositioned. Most studies are coincedences


Sorry, no one will change my mind. 


Quoting stepconfused182:

Did you know that they have recently discovered that Alzheimers disease is a type of insulin resistance in the brain, making it a type of diabetes. These are the type of discoveries made with clinical trials which is what these type of journal articles are citing. My point is, this is not "ridiculous research". It is not "bs" and not believing it or choosing to remain uneducated and cynical is not going to make it untrue. It is derived from studies and the data is scientific. It is perfectly fine for you to have an opinion and believe what you want to believe but that does not make the truth non existent. It is a fact that studies are finding that formula feeding DOES increase the risk of Type 1 diabetes. I am sorry your daughter has DM and I am sure you manage it very well and have a lot of knowledge regarding that topic. But it still remains fact that when compared with breastfed babies, formula fed babies have a higher risk of this. No one is judging the reason for your choice to ff nor are they saying you did anything wrong or are at fault. It is just a stated fact.






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