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I've been considering it for a while. My daughter is fixing to be 12 mths and so far has had all her vacs. If you don't vac, why and what are the benefits/problems? If you do, what do you believe are the benefits/ problems? If you used to but don't or didn't used to but do now, why? Etc. I want to know ALL ABOUT IT. and please people, try to keep real examples in it, like your own children or own selves experiences in it and not what you've just heard. I. Appreciate it, go all out!
by on Oct. 31, 2013 at 1:21 AM
Replies (31-40):
-PB
by Gold Member on Oct. 31, 2013 at 10:59 AM

 LOL @ googleology.  I <3 you. 

laughing

Quoting jhslove:

My daughter has gotten all of her vaccinations according to the AAP-recommended schedule and will continue to do so. That schedule is based on a great deal of scientifically rigorous, peer-reviewed research and has been found by the mainstream medical community, with all of its collective training and expertise, to be what's best for the community at large. I trust that much more than anything that someone with a degree in Googleology might say. (And no, the ability to look things up on the Internet does not carry the same weight as a medical degree. So I'm still going to listen to the medical community over someone who says they've done "research".)

Now, if I were planning to live in complete isolation, not send my children to school or use public transportation, or have them in contact with anyone else, then my decision to vaccinate or not vaccinate might be my business and no one else's. But the decision not to vaccinate puts others at risk, and I'm not willing to risk not only my own child's life, but other parents' children's lives, based on faulty science that's been repeatedly debunked.

When scientifically rigorous, peer-reviewed research consistently shows that vaccines are unsafe and/or ineffective, then I'll re-evaluate my view on them. But that has not happened.

 

Krysta622
by on Oct. 31, 2013 at 11:13 AM
She provided information, which op asked for. You jumped down her throat.

Quoting T-HoneyLuv:

Reading Comprehension is your friend DOLL. She was the one who referred to vaccines as " poison ". Why don't you keep it moving since you cannot keep up? :(




Quoting comptonkids:

yes you did


the op asked for EVERYONE'S opinion and personal experience





this poster provided a TON of excellent information. DEAR






Quoting T-HoneyLuv:

I am not the one who started " attacking " in this thread. YOU did. Oh and my child has a life threatening DISEASE that he will and has had to suffer with so vaccinations that protect him are the LEAST of my worries.








Quoting emmy526:

my kids are grown, and no they havent.  And i have done my research as most nonvaxing parents. To insinuate that we have not and are putting our children at risk is simply not true.  Some of us have had a child with life threatening reactions, and don't care to repeat those in subsequent siblings--the risk is too great. i hope your child never has a life threatening reaction that will actually  make you open your eyes about vaccines, dear. 






Quoting T-HoneyLuv:

I have done all of my research as have most vaxing parents. To insinuate that we have not or that we would knowingly put our children at risk is insulting and not true. But you keep right on demonizing vaccinations. I hope your child never gets a disease that could easily have been prevented dear.














Quoting emmy526:

well, if you looked up these chemicals in the MSDS book, you would see they are poison for human consumption...and i'm not your 'dear'







Quoting T-HoneyLuv:

Your scare tactics don't work dear. None of us who have vaxed our children are allowing our children to be " poisoned ". Try again.

















Quoting emmy526:

here is a link to the inserts so you can see the poison they deem is "safe" to inject into your child

http://vactruth.com/vaccine-inserts/

Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding about vaccination:

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices 1/18 DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OORHqEedtUY



http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/pink-chapters.htm

http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552&q

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6351515212287981735&hl=en

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf


WHO GRAPH-http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/timeseries/tsincidencepol.htm


Beyond Conformity Resources Page- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/resources

Do you have a quick-fire summary?- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/questions#

Inside Vaccines- http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

http://het.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/05/04/0960327111407644.full.pdf+html
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf

http://vaers.hhs.gov/index

http://www.thinktwice.com/sids.htm



























Mommy2justone
by Mommy2justtwo on Oct. 31, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Welcome to the group! 
I started researching vaccines after my daughter turned 2. One of the doctors she was seeing lied to us about a vaccine being "Required to go to school" and it was not. So I started researching and found out there was a crap ton of stuff in vaccines that I didn't want in my daughter. As well as the fact that if a child is breastfed they don't really need certian ones right away. And the fact that the number of vaccines has increased exponentially in the past 20 years for children under 2. So we just stopped.
 
 

Mommy2justone
by Mommy2justtwo on Oct. 31, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Doctor Spears vaccine book was a great research source for me, I didn't find much reliable information online actually. 

Quoting -PB:

 LOL @ googleology.  I <3 you. 

laughing

Quoting jhslove:

My daughter has gotten all of her vaccinations according to the AAP-recommended schedule and will continue to do so. That schedule is based on a great deal of scientifically rigorous, peer-reviewed research and has been found by the mainstream medical community, with all of its collective training and expertise, to be what's best for the community at large. I trust that much more than anything that someone with a degree in Googleology might say. (And no, the ability to look things up on the Internet does not carry the same weight as a medical degree. So I'm still going to listen to the medical community over someone who says they've done "research".)

Now, if I were planning to live in complete isolation, not send my children to school or use public transportation, or have them in contact with anyone else, then my decision to vaccinate or not vaccinate might be my business and no one else's. But the decision not to vaccinate puts others at risk, and I'm not willing to risk not only my own child's life, but other parents' children's lives, based on faulty science that's been repeatedly debunked.

When scientifically rigorous, peer-reviewed research consistently shows that vaccines are unsafe and/or ineffective, then I'll re-evaluate my view on them. But that has not happened.

 


T-HoneyLuv
by on Oct. 31, 2013 at 11:26 AM
What's with all the sensitve broads on here today? Try and pay attention..... I didn't jump down ANYONE'S throat. I have a problem with someone insinuating that I or other vaxing parents are knowingly allowing Drs to inject " poison " into our children. I did not come into this post with ANY issue until that comment. You and the rest of them are acting as though it is perfectly okay to down vaxing parents but when it is done in return all of a sudden you want to play the victim role. Give it a rest. * eyeroll *


Quoting Krysta622:

She provided information, which op asked for. You jumped down her throat.



Quoting T-HoneyLuv:

Reading Comprehension is your friend DOLL. She was the one who referred to vaccines as " poison ". Why don't you keep it moving since you cannot keep up? :(






Quoting comptonkids:

yes you did



the op asked for EVERYONE'S opinion and personal experience







this poster provided a TON of excellent information. DEAR








Quoting T-HoneyLuv:

I am not the one who started " attacking " in this thread. YOU did. Oh and my child has a life threatening DISEASE that he will and has had to suffer with so vaccinations that protect him are the LEAST of my worries.










Quoting emmy526:

my kids are grown, and no they havent.  And i have done my research as most nonvaxing parents. To insinuate that we have not and are putting our children at risk is simply not true.  Some of us have had a child with life threatening reactions, and don't care to repeat those in subsequent siblings--the risk is too great. i hope your child never has a life threatening reaction that will actually  make you open your eyes about vaccines, dear. 







Quoting T-HoneyLuv:

I have done all of my research as have most vaxing parents. To insinuate that we have not or that we would knowingly put our children at risk is insulting and not true. But you keep right on demonizing vaccinations. I hope your child never gets a disease that could easily have been prevented dear.

















Quoting emmy526:

well, if you looked up these chemicals in the MSDS book, you would see they are poison for human consumption...and i'm not your 'dear'








Quoting T-HoneyLuv:

Your scare tactics don't work dear. None of us who have vaxed our children are allowing our children to be " poisoned ". Try again.




















Quoting emmy526:

here is a link to the inserts so you can see the poison they deem is "safe" to inject into your child

http://vactruth.com/vaccine-inserts/

Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding about vaccination:

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices 1/18 DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OORHqEedtUY



http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/pink-chapters.htm

http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552&q

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6351515212287981735&hl=en

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf


WHO GRAPH-http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/timeseries/tsincidencepol.htm


Beyond Conformity Resources Page- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/resources

Do you have a quick-fire summary?- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/questions#

Inside Vaccines- http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

http://het.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/05/04/0960327111407644.full.pdf+html
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf

http://vaers.hhs.gov/index

http://www.thinktwice.com/sids.htm
































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Krysta622
by on Oct. 31, 2013 at 11:28 AM
Op wanted people info and opinions. She gave hers. You got all offended at her opinion and started the ugliness. Own it.

Quoting T-HoneyLuv:

What's with all the sensitve broads on here today? Try and pay attention..... I didn't jump down ANYONE'S throat. I have a problem with someone insinuating that I or other vaxing parents are knowingly allowing Drs to inject " poison " into our children. I did not come into this post with ANY issue until that comment. You and the rest of them are acting as though it is perfectly okay to down vaxing parents but when it is done in return all of a sudden you want to play the victim role. Give it a rest. * eyeroll *




Quoting Krysta622:

She provided information, which op asked for. You jumped down her throat.





Quoting T-HoneyLuv:

Reading Comprehension is your friend DOLL. She was the one who referred to vaccines as " poison ". Why don't you keep it moving since you cannot keep up? :(








Quoting comptonkids:

yes you did




the op asked for EVERYONE'S opinion and personal experience









this poster provided a TON of excellent information. DEAR










Quoting T-HoneyLuv:

I am not the one who started " attacking " in this thread. YOU did. Oh and my child has a life threatening DISEASE that he will and has had to suffer with so vaccinations that protect him are the LEAST of my worries.












Quoting emmy526:

my kids are grown, and no they havent.  And i have done my research as most nonvaxing parents. To insinuate that we have not and are putting our children at risk is simply not true.  Some of us have had a child with life threatening reactions, and don't care to repeat those in subsequent siblings--the risk is too great. i hope your child never has a life threatening reaction that will actually  make you open your eyes about vaccines, dear. 








Quoting T-HoneyLuv:

I have done all of my research as have most vaxing parents. To insinuate that we have not or that we would knowingly put our children at risk is insulting and not true. But you keep right on demonizing vaccinations. I hope your child never gets a disease that could easily have been prevented dear.




















Quoting emmy526:

well, if you looked up these chemicals in the MSDS book, you would see they are poison for human consumption...and i'm not your 'dear'









Quoting T-HoneyLuv:

Your scare tactics don't work dear. None of us who have vaxed our children are allowing our children to be " poisoned ". Try again.























Quoting emmy526:

here is a link to the inserts so you can see the poison they deem is "safe" to inject into your child

http://vactruth.com/vaccine-inserts/

Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding about vaccination:

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices 1/18 DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OORHqEedtUY



http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/pink-chapters.htm

http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552&q

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6351515212287981735&hl=en

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf


WHO GRAPH-http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/timeseries/tsincidencepol.htm


Beyond Conformity Resources Page- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/resources

Do you have a quick-fire summary?- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/questions#

Inside Vaccines- http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

http://het.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/05/04/0960327111407644.full.pdf+html
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf

http://vaers.hhs.gov/index

http://www.thinktwice.com/sids.htm




































Krysta622
by on Oct. 31, 2013 at 11:34 AM
1 mom liked this
You're right. I am bothered by your responses to her. I am owning it.

Quoting T-HoneyLuv:

Lmfao! And YOU are all offended at MINE. Own it.




Quoting Krysta622:

Op wanted people info and opinions. She gave hers. You got all offended at her opinion and started the ugliness. Own it.





Quoting T-HoneyLuv:

What's with all the sensitve broads on here today? Try and pay attention..... I didn't jump down ANYONE'S throat. I have a problem with someone insinuating that I or other vaxing parents are knowingly allowing Drs to inject " poison " into our children. I did not come into this post with ANY issue until that comment. You and the rest of them are acting as though it is perfectly okay to down vaxing parents but when it is done in return all of a sudden you want to play the victim role. Give it a rest. * eyeroll *








Quoting Krysta622:

She provided information, which op asked for. You jumped down her throat.









Quoting T-HoneyLuv:

Reading Comprehension is your friend DOLL. She was the one who referred to vaccines as " poison ". Why don't you keep it moving since you cannot keep up? :(












Quoting comptonkids:

yes you did






the op asked for EVERYONE'S opinion and personal experience













this poster provided a TON of excellent information. DEAR














Quoting T-HoneyLuv:

I am not the one who started " attacking " in this thread. YOU did. Oh and my child has a life threatening DISEASE that he will and has had to suffer with so vaccinations that protect him are the LEAST of my worries.
















Quoting emmy526:

my kids are grown, and no they havent.  And i have done my research as most nonvaxing parents. To insinuate that we have not and are putting our children at risk is simply not true.  Some of us have had a child with life threatening reactions, and don't care to repeat those in subsequent siblings--the risk is too great. i hope your child never has a life threatening reaction that will actually  make you open your eyes about vaccines, dear. 










Quoting T-HoneyLuv:

I have done all of my research as have most vaxing parents. To insinuate that we have not or that we would knowingly put our children at risk is insulting and not true. But you keep right on demonizing vaccinations. I hope your child never gets a disease that could easily have been prevented dear.


























Quoting emmy526:

well, if you looked up these chemicals in the MSDS book, you would see they are poison for human consumption...and i'm not your 'dear'











Quoting T-HoneyLuv:

Your scare tactics don't work dear. None of us who have vaxed our children are allowing our children to be " poisoned ". Try again.





























Quoting emmy526:

here is a link to the inserts so you can see the poison they deem is "safe" to inject into your child

http://vactruth.com/vaccine-inserts/

Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding about vaccination:

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices 1/18 DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OORHqEedtUY



http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/pink-chapters.htm

http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552&q

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6351515212287981735&hl=en

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf


WHO GRAPH-http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/timeseries/tsincidencepol.htm


Beyond Conformity Resources Page- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/resources

Do you have a quick-fire summary?- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/questions#

Inside Vaccines- http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

http://het.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/05/04/0960327111407644.full.pdf+html
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf

http://vaers.hhs.gov/index

http://www.thinktwice.com/sids.htm













































RaisinGirl78
by Member on Oct. 31, 2013 at 11:48 AM

An uncle by marriage had polio as a child. He and a dozen other boys from his neighborhood received the vaccination and shortly afterward had it. Each childs family was quarantined for a year. He still suffers from it to this day. I did vaccinate my son until he was 3. He had the chicken pox vaccination and got them anyways. I decided then I'm not going to do it anymore. I've since learned what is actually used to make them and it is scary. 

sara170
by Member on Oct. 31, 2013 at 11:50 AM
2 moms liked this
Last year my son, in kindergarten came home with a slip stating that a child in his class had pertussis. I called the school nurse and asked how that could be possible due to the vaccines. She told me that over 2/3's of the kindergarten class are not vaccinated. Made me really question what those parents knew that I didn't. See, I followed all the doctors advise on vaccines and they where always on schedule. My daughter had one reaction where her leg at the injection side swelled terribly and was red. My son had to get 4 shots at once and ended up very sick, I took him in to the ER and he had strep, the ER doctor told me that he sees this A LOT, the vaccines knock the immune system down, and the more shots at once, the sicker your kid is going to get. Vaccines for me were very scary! Every vaccine my kids got resulted in HIGH fevers that generally did not respond to fever reducing medications. And in my mind it was the right thing for me, because I had decided that I would not be able to live with a decision, that I made for my child, that resulted in them dying from the result of a preventable disease. However, I wish I would not have had them vaccinated. If I had to do it over, I would not vaccinate. Now I have internet and can research, where as before I did not. After reading about the history of the polio vaccine and the links with it and cancer and aids, I came to the frightening conclusion that by vaccinating my children I did nothing more that risk there lives and future so they can be government lab rats.
ambermario4ever
by Member on Oct. 31, 2013 at 12:19 PM

We don't vax for many reasons. One my husband almost died from one when he was little so after that he did not get anymore. Second they are full of harmful chemicals and your child could die or get other major life long problems from them. The benefits of not vaxing are my child have never been sick or missed a day of school. 

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