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ME and this D*MN DOG are gonna round and round (house training a DOG)(language)

Posted by on Jan. 21, 2009 at 11:00 PM
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Ok i got this new little puppy and she is just cute as hell, BUT i have done EVERYTHING i can think of to potty train this little shit.....I went and bought the puppy pads and put them all over the damn house thinkin that maybe one day a light bulb would go off in her head that there everywhere in the house for HER.....I take her out side all the time and thats when its the worse we go outside and she sniffs and runs around and then lays down, now mind you its pretty friekin cold outside so when she lays down im just like ok well you dont have to go i pick her up and bring her back in the house, AS SOON as she walks in the door she pisses on the floor, so i spank her butt and throw her back out the door, and she just lays down and waits for someone to open the door again.......is there ANYTHING else i can do, cause i am so tired of cleaning up DOG MESS, its bad enough the two kids tear up enough shit.....now mind you i live in an apartment so its not like i have a back door to let her out and run around till i know for sure that shes gone to the bath room........PLEASE HELP, im on the verge of strangling my dog!

A child is something you carry inside you for nine months, in your arms for  three years, and in your heart till the day you die!!!! boy n girl

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MELISSA0318
by on Jan. 21, 2009 at 11:02 PM

omg.....are you sure you are not talking about my dumb dog lol.....she is doing the same thing she waits till i bring her in and then pee's ugggg.........i am going to go buy a book tomorrow on tips i will message you a few when i get it. good luck i was asking if i could give mine away today lol.....i would never butt.

1boy_2girls
by on Jan. 21, 2009 at 11:11 PM

buy a kennel. put the dog in there useing the comand kennel up every time you put her in there. works with older dogs to

take her out side 15 to twenty minutes after she eats or drinks and right after she wakes up. make sure she only has just enough room to lay down comfortably and sit up comfortably. if your not playing with her put her in the kennel. take her outside every hour or so and if she goes out side give her a treat or keep her out and play with her for awhile. the kennel with become a safe zone where she will eventualy go when she wants a break from every one so dont let your kids play in there if you have younger kids.  dogs will treat there kennel like a wolf treats his den and wont go to the bathroom in it unless you dont take them out and they just cant possiblity hold it any longer.

alliesmom112
by on Jan. 21, 2009 at 11:19 PM

Well I have a Saint Bernard and a Siberian Husky when we trained them we used the crate. Whenever we weren't home they went into their crates and as soon as we got home they went straight outside. We also never gave them any attention when they did make a mess in the house. We just picked them up and took them outside and when they do go outside we immediatly gave them a treat. Then when we went to bed at night they went into their crates til the morning. This worked really well for us.

sweetscrappin
by on Jan. 21, 2009 at 11:38 PM

wow......... i know it can be stressful teaching a dog to be potty trained, but i hope that when your child peed in their bed you didnt beat them.... get the point... i have punched people for spanking, hitting, hurting their dogs..  why get an animal if you have no patience in training it... and you basically end up abusing it.  You need patience....... and being in an apartment isnt easy, but, you need to get up, every morning, grab a leash, and go... and keep doing it, over and over and over... til she gets the point... also, have you taken the dog to the vet to have her hearing tested?  im sorry if im being rude, but i cant tollerate it when people dont think about things in the long term.... maybe you should give her to a new home where someone has patience to train the puppy... as far as the puppy pads, you need them in two locations.. front door and back door... if they are all over the house she is going to think she can go all over the house... you need to limit her potty places... if you feel you can kennel train her, go for it... but if she is an older puppy you will have a lot of barking.. you said you are in an apartment and a barking puppy might get you some complaints from neighbors, but she's basically a baby, you dont yell at a 6 month old baby because they are crying, nor do you when they are making a mess... also, start going to obiedience classes.. they have cheap puppy classes out there.. that will make life so much nicer with a pet. 

proudnavywife03
by on Jan. 21, 2009 at 11:38 PM

I agree. You need to buy a crate. I crate trained my dogs. They both were crate trained at 5-6months old.

mommamiaria
by on Jan. 22, 2009 at 5:28 AM


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by sweetscrappin on Jan. 21, 2009 at 11:38 PM

wow......... i know it can be stressful teaching a dog to be potty trained, but i hope that when your child peed in their bed you didnt beat them.... get the point... i have punched people for spanking, hitting, hurting their dogs..  why get an animal if you have no patience in training it...


I have to agree here. Spanking will never give you the results you are looking for and only make matters worse.

House Training
Drs. Foster & Smith, Inc.
Race Foster, DVM

 

 

Q. What are the best methods for house training a puppy?
 
A. An accident in the houseIf your dog is going to live inside the home, and in America over 90% of our pets do, you are going to have to go through the housebreaking process unless you have grossly different hygienic standards than most. It is not hard, it need not be messy, and it need not be a struggle. It does not have to take a long time. Remember that it is a training issue and you will need to have more than casual input. It will take some of your time but the more involved you get, the shorter that span will be.

 

The Rules

House Training Rule Number One: This is The Most Important Rule – If you don't catch your puppy doing it - then don't punish him for it!

House Training Rule Number Two: Praise your puppy when things go right. Don't let this be a situation where your only action is saying "No" when they are caught in the midst of using the wrong area. If they do it right – let them know!

Methods of house training

Starting Inside: There are several ways to housebreak a puppy. With the first, you can put down papers or pretreated pads, encouraging them to use these areas for going to the bathroom. The pads are scented with a chemical that attracts the puppy to use them. Whenever you see them starting into their "pre-potty pattern," such as walking around and sniffing the floor, you gently pick them up without talking and carry them over to the papers/pad and then praise them when they go to the bathroom (Rule 2).

When all goes well and they are using the papers consistently, the papers are either moved closer to the door and/or another set is placed outside. The transition is made from concentrating the toilet habits to one spot inside the home to one spot outside the home. Finally, the papers inside are eliminated. The only problem with this method is that for a period of time it encourages the animal to eliminate inside the home. In our experience, house training may take longer when this method is used.

Puppy in cage Crate Training: The second popular method of house training involves the use of a crate or cage. The often-stated reasoning is that the animal is placed in a cage that is just large enough to be a bed. Dogs do not like to soil their beds because they would be forced to lay in the mess. It works, and while in these confines, most pups will control their bladder and bowels for a longer time than we would expect. Young puppies, at 8 or 9 weeks of age can often last for 7 or 8 hours, however, we would never recommend leaving them unattended in a crate for that long in most circumstances.

During housebreaking, whenever the puppy is inside the home but cannot be watched, he is placed in the crate. This might be while you are cooking, reading to the children, or even away from the home. The last thing you do before you put the puppy in the crate is take him outside to his favorite spot. The first thing you do when you take the animal out of the crate is another trip outside. No food or water goes in the crate, just a blanket and maybe a chew toy to occupy his time. Overnight is definitely crate time. As your faith in the puppy grows, leave him out for longer and longer periods of time.

Most people do not recognize an important advantage of crate training. It does more than just stop the animal from messing in the house. It also teaches the puppy something very important. The puppy learns that when the urge to urinate or defecate occurs, he can hold it. Just because the pup feels like he needs to relieve himself, the pup learns that he does not have to. This is thought to be the main reason why puppies that have gone through crate training have fewer mistakes later on.

Make sure you buy the right size cage. You want one that has the floor space that provides just enough for the puppy to lie down. But cages are useful throughout a dog's life and it would be nice if you did not have to keep buying more as he grows. That is not necessary. Simply purchase a cage that will be big enough for him as an adult, but choose a model that comes with or has a divider panel as an accessory. With these, you can adjust the position of the panel so that the space inside the cage available to the pet can grow as he does.

Using too large of a crate can often cause long term problems. The puppy will go to one corner of the cage and urinate or defecate. After a while, he will then run through it tracking it all over the cage. If this is allowed to continue, the instincts about not soiling his bed or lying in the mess will be forgotten and the puppy will soon be doing it every day when placed in the crate. Now a house training method has turned into a behavioral problem as the puppy’s newly-formed hygienic habits becomes his way of life.

Constant Supervision: The last method involves no papers, pads, or crates. Rather, you chose to spend all the time necessary with the puppy. This works very well for people who live and work in their homes, retired persons, or in situations where the owners are always with the animal. Whenever they see the puppy doing his "pre-potty pattern" they hustle him outside. It is important that the dog is watched at all times and that no mistakes are allowed to occur. This method has less room for error, as there is nothing like a cage to restrict the animal's urges, nor is there a place for him to relieve himself such as on the papers or pad. When he is taken outside, watch the puppy closely and as soon as all goes as planned, he should be praised and then brought back inside immediately. You want the dog to understand that the purpose for going outside was to go to the bathroom. Do not start playing, make it a trip for a reason. Verbal communications help this method and we will discuss them soon. For those with the time, this is a good method. We still recommend having a crate available as a backup when the owners have to be away from the animal.

Verbal cues

Specific verbal communications will also help the two of you understand what is desired. It is an excellent idea to always use a word when it is time to head to the bathroom. We like "Outside?" Remember that whenever you use a verbal command or signal, it is important that everybody in the family always uses the same word in the same way. Think of the word "Outside" in this situation not only as a question you are asking the pup, but also as an indication that you want to go there. Some dogs may get into the habit of going to the door when they want to go outside. This is great when it happens but it is not as common as some believe. We have found that it is better to use verbal commands to initiate this sort of activity rather than waiting for the puppy to learn this behavior on his own. It seems like your consistent use of a word or phrase like "Outside" will cause the puppy to come to you rather than the door when he needs to go outside. The pup quickly sees you as part of the overall activity of getting to where he needs to go. We believe this is much better.

Once outside, we try to encourage the pup to get on with the act in question. We use the phrase "Do your numbers." This is probably a holdover from our own parenthood and hearing children use the "Number 1" or "Number 2" phrases. Others use 'Do It,' 'Potty,' or 'Hurry Up.' As soon as they eliminate, it is very important to praise them with a "Good Dog" and then come back inside immediately. Again, make this trip that started outside with a specific word "Outside" be for a purpose. If we are taking the pup out to play with a ball or go for a walk we will not use this word even if we know they will eliminate while we are outside.

When an 'accident' happens

One of the key issues in housebreaking is to follow Rule Number One: If you do not catch your puppy doing it, then do not punish him for it! We do not care what someone else may tell you or what you read, if you find a mess that was left when you were not there, clean it up and forget it.

Discipline will not help because unless you catch the puppy in the act, he will have no idea what the scolding is for. Your puppy has urinated and defecated hundreds of times before he met you. Mom or the breeder always cleaned it up. Nobody made a fuss before and the pup will not put the punishment, regardless of its form, together with something he has done without incident numerous times before. Especially if he did it more than 30 seconds ago! Puppies are just like our children. Unless something was really fun (and a repetitious act like going to the bathroom is not), they are not thinking about what they did in the past. They are thinking about what they can do in the future. At this point in his life a puppy's memory is very, very poor.

Anyway, let us face it. It was your fault, not the pup's. If you had been watching, you would have noticed the puppy suddenly walking or running around in circles with his nose down smelling for the perfect spot to go to the bathroom. It is just as consistent as the taxi cab driver behind you honking immediately when the light changes. The puppy will show the same behavior every time. It may vary a little from pup to pup but they always show their own "pre-potty pattern" before the act.

The same should be said as to your first reaction when you actually catch them in the act of urinating or defecating. It is your fault, you were not watching for or paying attention to the signals. Do not get mad. Quickly, but calmly pick them up and without raising your voice sternly say "No." Carry them outside or to their papers. It will help to push their tail down while you are carrying them as this will often help them to stop urinating or defecating any more.

They are going to be excited when you get them outside or to the papers, but stay there with them a while and if they finish the job, reward them with simple praise like "Good Dog."

 

House Training Rule Number One: If you don't catch your puppy doing it, then don't punish him for it!

In the disciplining of dogs, just like in physics, every action has a reaction and for training purposes these may not be beneficial! If you overreact and severely scold or scare the heck out of a puppy for making what is in your mind a mistake, your training is probably going backwards. With house training this is especially difficult for them to understand as they are carrying out a natural body function. Carried one step farther is the idea of rubbing a puppy's nose into a mistake he made, whether you caught him or not. In the limits of a puppy’s intelligence, please explain to us the difference of rubbing his nose in his mess he left in your kitchen an hour ago versus the one the neighbor's dog left in the park two weeks ago. If the dog were smart enough to figure all of this out, the only logical choice would be to permanently quit going to the bathroom. Punishment rarely speeds up house training. Often, it makes the dog nervous or afraid every time it needs to go to the bathroom.

We will give you a perfect example of how this kind of disciplining causes long-term problems between a dog and his owner. A client makes an appointment to discuss a housebreaking problem. They are hoping that on physical exam or through some testing we can find a medical reason for the animal's inability to successfully make it through housebreaking. They readily admit their frustration with the dog. The fecal and urine tests reveal no problem. In the examination room, the pup is showing a lot more interest in the veterinarian than he is in his owners. The animal's eyes are almost saying, "Please kidnap me from them." When the owner reaches down to pet the dog on his head, the pup reflexively closes his eyes and turns his head to the side. The dog reacts as if he were going to be hit. What this tells us is that the dog has been punished for making messes in the owners' absence. During this punishment the puppy is not, and we repeat, the puppy is not thinking about what he might have done two hours ago. He is not thinking that he should not make messes in the house. The animal is not even thinking about the messes.

The classic line that usually goes with this scenario then comes up "When we get home we know he has made a mess because he always sulks or runs and hides!" The dog is not thinking about some mistake he may have made. Rather, the pup has learned that when the people first get home, for some reason he has yet to figure out, they are always in a bad mood and he gets punished. The puppy has decided that maybe he would be better to try to avoid them for awhile so he does try to hide. In this particular case, discipline, misunderstood by the puppy, has caused him to fear his owners and this will probably affect their relationship throughout the life of the dog.

If you want house training to go quickly, regardless of the method you use, spend as much time as possible with your puppy. In an exam room, one of us once listened to a client complain about how he had to take some time off from work for his own mental health and also, but unrelated, how the puppy was not doing too well in the house training department. For us this statement was just too good to be true. It was the perfect set-up for our pitch. This gentleman, a bachelor, truly loved his puppy. We saw them together everywhere. Still, the problem was that he worked in a downtown office and the pup was home. His work allowed him to get home frequently but not always on a consistent schedule. There would be accidents when he was gone and sometimes he was gone longer than the abilities or the attention span of the puppy.

The solution was easy. We simply suggested his health and the puppy's training would both do better if he stayed home for a week or so. It worked. Under the man's watchful eye, he was always there at the time when he was needed and in less than seven days the ten-week-old puppy was trained. We are not saying there was never another accident, but they were few and far between. In the end, the best of all worlds occurred. The man realized his dog could be trusted, and thereafter, they spent their days together at the man's office.

Feeding and house training

The feeding schedule you use can help or hinder housebreaking. You will soon notice that puppies will need to go outside soon after they wake and also within 30 to 40 minutes after eating. Be consistent when you feed the animal so you can predict when they need to relieve themselves. Plan your trips outside around these patterns.

All of this may seem simple, and it really is. The keys are that it will take time and you must be consistent. And, of course, you must never lose your temper or even get excited.

Little puppySpontaneous or submissive urination

Puppies may spontaneously urinate when excited. This may be when they first see you, at meeting a new dog, or when they are scared. It is often referred to as submissive or excitement urination. Do not discipline the puppy for this, as it is something they cannot control. Simply ignore it and clean up the mess. If you do not overreact, they will usually outgrow this between 4 and 7 months of age.

Summary

Your new puppy is home and you have started the house training process. This is just as much a part of training as the "Come" and "Stay" commands. However, mistakes that occur with house training can cause more problems between you and your pet than those encountered with any other form of training. Be patient and stay calm.

    

 


 

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Reprinted from PetEducation.com.

 

KyliesMom5
by Gold Member on Jan. 22, 2009 at 6:18 AM

First thing i would do is get rid of the pee pads because all those things do is encourage dogs to pee in the house.Secondly you can not punish the dog unless you catch them in the act and hitting them teaches them nothing.  Since this is a puppy it should not have full run of your apartment, If you can't watch the dog then itshould either be in a gated area or in a crate.  If you don't have a crate i would get one it will help with the housbreaking. Puppies generally need to go 10-15 minutes after they eat, drink or play. When you take the dog out take it to the same spot everytime and when the dog goes outside praise and give her a treat.  If you take her out and all her wants to do is play bring her back inside maybe put her the crate wait 10 minutes and take her back out she will get the idea.

momofne
by on Jan. 22, 2009 at 6:33 AM

Everything Mommamairia said LOL!!!! For the constant surpervisoion portion teether your pup to you buy looping his leash around your belt. Yhis way you can keep an eye on him and look for the signal he needs out (pacing,circling, squating etc).

bonkersornuts
by on Jan. 22, 2009 at 6:54 AM

I agree with the other replys. Also you are not walking your dog long enough.Putting them outside is one thing but you need to actually walk them on a leash. Get rid of the puppy pads and get a crate. I also clicker trained my dogs.Not only did it help with potty training but they learned tricks really quick.

Oh,DO NOT HIT YOUR DOG!!!! To a dog it thinks oh,i shoudn't of peed in front of the tv.so next time i will try the hallway,then bedroom,or whereever they can't see me.

Johns_Gal
by on Jan. 22, 2009 at 7:01 AM


Quoting 1boy_2girls:

buy a kennel. put the dog in there useing the comand kennel up every time you put her in there. works with older dogs to

take her out side 15 to twenty minutes after she eats or drinks and right after she wakes up. make sure she only has just enough room to lay down comfortably and sit up comfortably. if your not playing with her put her in the kennel. take her outside every hour or so and if she goes out side give her a treat or keep her out and play with her for awhile. the kennel with become a safe zone where she will eventualy go when she wants a break from every one so dont let your kids play in there if you have younger kids.  dogs will treat there kennel like a wolf treats his den and wont go to the bathroom in it unless you dont take them out and they just cant possiblity hold it any longer.

What she said.  You need a crate.  Too, ditch the puppy pads, they only make the dog think it's okay to go inside the house.

Have a special word you use to take her outside, it will sort of encourage her to go... like "this is what we're here for, so if you need to go, go now!" she'll pick it up pretty quick.  FOr mine, it was always just "Outside!" in a happy excited tone.  DOg would run to door, I'd leash him, out we'd go and he'd circle.  I'd repeat "outside!" a few times and he'd go (he didn't like the cold either!) and back in we went.

 

What breed is she?  How old?  Spayed?

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