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Flu shots pose no extra risk of pregnancy loss: study

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WASHINGTON — Pregnant women in Norway who got vaccinated against the swine flu virus that caused the 2009-2010 pandemic showed no increased risk of pregnancy loss, contrary to popular belief, says a study released Thursday.

Pregnant women who came down with the flu did however have increased risk of miscarriage and still birth, said the study carried out in Norway.

Scientists at the US National Institutes of Health and the Norwegian Institute of Public Health published their findings online in the New England Journal of Medicine.

During the H1N1 flu pandemic, Norway urged pregnant women to get vaccinated. But some expectant mothers shied from this after news reports of pregnancy losses after flu shots.

The researchers said their study suggested that influenza infection may increase the risk of fetal loss.

They reached their conclusion by analyzing Norway's well-kept archives of registries and medical records.

The risk of pregnancy loss can be multiplied by a factor of two if a pregnant woman catches the flu, while vaccination reduced this risk.

"Most important is that vaccinations protect pregnant women against influenza illness, which could be harmful for both the mother and the baby," said Allen Wilcox of the NIH, co-author of the study.



What do you think? Are you more likely to get the flu shot now?

by on Jan. 18, 2013 at 9:44 AM
Replies (21-30):
Randi02
by Gold Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:03 PM
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You're right. Doctors go to school for years, and are always right. It's a good thing, too... Otherwise someone would need to invent some kind of malpractice insurance.

I wonder why pregnancy is listed as a contraindication right on the vaccine package. Weird!


Quoting livingrlovesong:

 I have done my research. But when it comes down to it, I am a firm believer in my doctor is a doctor for a reason. He went to school for all those years. I also work in a hospital. The doctor is not going to give me anything/do anything that is unsafe for me and my child. So when it comes down to it, its not me or my child that needs the 'Good Luck.' But thank you for your OPINION.


Quoting RhondaVeggie:

And that's your choice. If you don't want to look at the research then all anyone can do is wish you luck.



Quoting livingrlovesong:


 Good for you. But im not interested in your links or opinions. My babies were all perfectly healthy. Flu shot and all. Im 11 weeks pregnant now, and I will be getting my flu shot next Tuesday. AND im 1000% positive that this child will be fine to. If I want your opinion, I will ask. But thank you



Quoting louzannalady:



I trust the highly educated people (who have their doctorates) who don't want any legal issues and more familiar with their product, who put information to report adverse reations to VAERS in each package of their product, because they don't KNOW that this is safe for babies! And the CDC site, that lists the ingredients in the shots, so that I can make an informed decision. 





Here is a list, from the CDC of all the vax's ingredients.



http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf



Here is the first ingredient in the first flu vax listed: beta-Propiolactone.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-Propiolactone



Here is the second ingredient in the same vax: thiomersal. 



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal



Here are current inserts to the different flu vaccines, for your consideration. Just hit Ctrl + F and type "pregnant" and it will take you to the segment on pregnancy. Most have it set up for people to report if there are adverse reactions in pregnancy, because they just don't know for sure if there are any. 



http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_fluarix.pdf



http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_flulaval.pdf



http://www.medimmune.com/pdf/products/flumist_pi.pdf



http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM123694.pdf



https://www.vaccineshoppe.com/image.cfm?doc_id=12651%E2%84%91_type=product_pdf






Quoting livingrlovesong:



 I've gotten the flu shot with all of my kids. (althought I did have the swine flu with my oldest son was born) I will get it with this one. I will trust my DOCTOR over internet research anyday






 



 

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Emilytrademark
by on Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:05 PM
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 No one shoved anything down your throat. In fact, nothing was said to you personally at all. You commented on a post with your opinion, another person commented with theirs. That's how this public forum thing works.

Quoting livingrlovesong:

The only thing rude is to have others shove their opinion on the flu shot down my throat. I thanked her for her opinion, but it wasn't necessary. I didn't ask. I have my own. Thank you

Quoting Emilytrademark:

 Wow - rude and misinformed.


Quoting livingrlovesong:


 Good for you. But im not interested in your links or opinions. My babies were all perfectly healthy. Flu shot and all. Im 11 weeks pregnant now, and I will be getting my flu shot next Tuesday. AND im 1000% positive that this child will be fine to. If I want your opinion, I will ask. But thank you


Quoting louzannalady:


I trust the highly educated people (who have their doctorates) who don't want any legal issues and more familiar with their product, who put information to report adverse reations to VAERS in each package of their product, because they don't KNOW that this is safe for babies! And the CDC site, that lists the ingredients in the shots, so that I can make an informed decision. 



Here is a list, from the CDC of all the vax's ingredients.


http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf


Here is the first ingredient in the first flu vax listed: beta-Propiolactone.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-Propiolactone


Here is the second ingredient in the same vax: thiomersal. 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal


Here are current inserts to the different flu vaccines, for your consideration. Just hit Ctrl + F and type "pregnant" and it will take you to the segment on pregnancy. Most have it set up for people to report if there are adverse reactions in pregnancy, because they just don't know for sure if there are any. 


http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_fluarix.pdf


http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_flulaval.pdf


http://www.medimmune.com/pdf/products/flumist_pi.pdf


http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM123694.pdf


https://www.vaccineshoppe.com/image.cfm?doc_id=12651%E2%84%91_type=product_pdf




Quoting livingrlovesong:


 I've gotten the flu shot with all of my kids. (althought I did have the swine flu with my oldest son was born) I will get it with this one. I will trust my DOCTOR over internet research anyday




 


 

 

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livingrlovesong
by Bronze Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:06 PM
I HIGHLY doubt you are more educated than I am, but that's really a mute point. Now who is being rude?



And I never once called anyone stupid, that's not my nature. All I did was respond to the OPs question to get bashed and have others opinions thrown at me. That's awesome if you want to believe everything you read. But yes I 100% trust my doctor. I have 100% researched this subject on my own as well. And for me, I choose to believe my doctor. If I wanted to believe in Santa Claus that's my own right to do so! If I don't ask for your opinion please dont throw it at me like I'm doing something wrong and say "Good Luck" (not you in particular). It's not appreciated.

Thank You


Quoting rachelrothchild:

Since when do you need a doctorate to possess critical thinking skills, look at research and interpret results, and present facts to another person?

You are using multiple logical fallacies in your arguments.  I suppose that's a really big word for a simpleton (me) without a doctorate though. Do you believe everything your doctor tells you?  That makes you just as "uninformed" as these women who don't work in hospitals.  What are you a nurse, an orderly, a cook, a housekeeper?  I bet I have more education than you do, but I digress from the point.

You do know that doctors prescribe medications people are allergic to all the time (even when the person tells the doctor they are allergic), right?  You do also know that doctors prescribe medications (usually anti-depressants and pain medication) to populations (like pregnant women) they are not intended for nor proven safe for, right?  You do know that death is a side effect of some medications, correct?  Why are vaccines any different?

You are rude, misinformed, and misguided.  You put too much trust in people with degrees and letters behind their names.  But keep insisting that we are the stupid ones.

Quoting livingrlovesong:

 What college did you graduate from? Where did you get your doctorate? What is your PHD in?

I guess your a believer in "Everything you find on the internet is true" Good luck to you, Ma'am



Quoting louzannalady:



The links were no opinion, they are factual: the ingredients from the CDC itself and the inserts from the pharmacitical companies themselves. If you are not interested in such facts, that is fine. I am sorry I infringed by offering such data to you. I wish you and your little ones all the very best. *tips hat* Have a great day, Ma'am! : ) 



Quoting livingrlovesong:



 Good for you. But im not interested in your links or opinions. My babies were all perfectly healthy. Flu shot and all. Im 11 weeks pregnant now, and I will be getting my flu shot next Tuesday. AND im 1000% positive that this child will be fine to. If I want your opinion, I will ask. But thank you



Quoting louzannalady:



I trust the highly educated people (who have their doctorates) who don't want any legal issues and more familiar with their product, who put information to report adverse reations to VAERS in each package of their product, because they don't KNOW that this is safe for babies! And the CDC site, that lists the ingredients in the shots, so that I can make an informed decision. 





Here is a list, from the CDC of all the vax's ingredients.



http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf



Here is the first ingredient in the first flu vax listed: beta-Propiolactone.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-Propiolactone



Here is the second ingredient in the same vax: thiomersal. 



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal



Here are current inserts to the different flu vaccines, for your consideration. Just hit Ctrl + F and type "pregnant" and it will take you to the segment on pregnancy. Most have it set up for people to report if there are adverse reactions in pregnancy, because they just don't know for sure if there are any. 



http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_fluarix.pdf



http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_flulaval.pdf



http://www.medimmune.com/pdf/products/flumist_pi.pdf



http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM123694.pdf



https://www.vaccineshoppe.com/image.cfm?doc_id=12651%E2%84%91_type=product_pdf






Quoting livingrlovesong:



 I've gotten the flu shot with all of my kids. (althought I did have the swine flu with my oldest son was born) I will get it with this one. I will trust my DOCTOR over internet research anyday






 






 


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livingrlovesong
by Bronze Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:10 PM
She replied to me, thus directed her opinion at me.

Quoting Emilytrademark:

 No one shoved anything down your throat. In fact, nothing was said to you personally at all. You commented on a post with your opinion, another person commented with theirs. That's how this public forum thing works.


Quoting livingrlovesong:

The only thing rude is to have others shove their opinion on the flu shot down my throat. I thanked her for her opinion, but it wasn't necessary. I didn't ask. I have my own. Thank you


Quoting Emilytrademark:


 Wow - rude and misinformed.



Quoting livingrlovesong:



 Good for you. But im not interested in your links or opinions. My babies were all perfectly healthy. Flu shot and all. Im 11 weeks pregnant now, and I will be getting my flu shot next Tuesday. AND im 1000% positive that this child will be fine to. If I want your opinion, I will ask. But thank you



Quoting louzannalady:



I trust the highly educated people (who have their doctorates) who don't want any legal issues and more familiar with their product, who put information to report adverse reations to VAERS in each package of their product, because they don't KNOW that this is safe for babies! And the CDC site, that lists the ingredients in the shots, so that I can make an informed decision. 





Here is a list, from the CDC of all the vax's ingredients.



http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf



Here is the first ingredient in the first flu vax listed: beta-Propiolactone.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-Propiolactone



Here is the second ingredient in the same vax: thiomersal. 



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal



Here are current inserts to the different flu vaccines, for your consideration. Just hit Ctrl + F and type "pregnant" and it will take you to the segment on pregnancy. Most have it set up for people to report if there are adverse reactions in pregnancy, because they just don't know for sure if there are any. 



http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_fluarix.pdf



http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_flulaval.pdf



http://www.medimmune.com/pdf/products/flumist_pi.pdf



http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM123694.pdf



https://www.vaccineshoppe.com/image.cfm?doc_id=12651%E2%84%91_type=product_pdf






Quoting livingrlovesong:



 I've gotten the flu shot with all of my kids. (althought I did have the swine flu with my oldest son was born) I will get it with this one. I will trust my DOCTOR over internet research anyday






 



 


 

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livingrlovesong
by Bronze Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:11 PM
Oh Good Lord woman get off of it already. As I stated multiple Times, I trust MY doctor. MY clearly does not refer to every dr in the world. *rolls eyes* way to board the train though. Proud of you!

Quoting Randi02:

You're right. Doctors go to school for years, and are always right. It's a good thing, too... Otherwise someone would need to invent some kind of malpractice insurance.



I wonder why pregnancy is listed as a contraindication right on the vaccine package. Weird!




Quoting livingrlovesong:

 I have done my research. But when it comes down to it, I am a firm believer in my doctor is a doctor for a reason. He went to school for all those years. I also work in a hospital. The doctor is not going to give me anything/do anything that is unsafe for me and my child. So when it comes down to it, its not me or my child that needs the 'Good Luck.' But thank you for your OPINION.



Quoting RhondaVeggie:

And that's your choice. If you don't want to look at the research then all anyone can do is wish you luck.




Quoting livingrlovesong:



 Good for you. But im not interested in your links or opinions. My babies were all perfectly healthy. Flu shot and all. Im 11 weeks pregnant now, and I will be getting my flu shot next Tuesday. AND im 1000% positive that this child will be fine to. If I want your opinion, I will ask. But thank you




Quoting louzannalady:




I trust the highly educated people (who have their doctorates) who don't want any legal issues and more familiar with their product, who put information to report adverse reations to VAERS in each package of their product, because they don't KNOW that this is safe for babies! And the CDC site, that lists the ingredients in the shots, so that I can make an informed decision. 







Here is a list, from the CDC of all the vax's ingredients.




http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf




Here is the first ingredient in the first flu vax listed: beta-Propiolactone.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-Propiolactone




Here is the second ingredient in the same vax: thiomersal. 




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal




Here are current inserts to the different flu vaccines, for your consideration. Just hit Ctrl + F and type "pregnant" and it will take you to the segment on pregnancy. Most have it set up for people to report if there are adverse reactions in pregnancy, because they just don't know for sure if there are any. 




http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_fluarix.pdf




http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_flulaval.pdf




http://www.medimmune.com/pdf/products/flumist_pi.pdf




http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM123694.pdf




https://www.vaccineshoppe.com/image.cfm?doc_id=12651%E2%84%91_type=product_pdf








Quoting livingrlovesong:




 I've gotten the flu shot with all of my kids. (althought I did have the swine flu with my oldest son was born) I will get it with this one. I will trust my DOCTOR over internet research anyday








 




 

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Emilytrademark
by on Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:12 PM

eye rolling

Quoting livingrlovesong:

She replied to me, thus directed her opinion at me.

Quoting Emilytrademark:

 No one shoved anything down your throat. In fact, nothing was said to you personally at all. You commented on a post with your opinion, another person commented with theirs. That's how this public forum thing works.


Quoting livingrlovesong:

The only thing rude is to have others shove their opinion on the flu shot down my throat. I thanked her for her opinion, but it wasn't necessary. I didn't ask. I have my own. Thank you


Quoting Emilytrademark:


 Wow - rude and misinformed.



Quoting livingrlovesong:



 Good for you. But im not interested in your links or opinions. My babies were all perfectly healthy. Flu shot and all. Im 11 weeks pregnant now, and I will be getting my flu shot next Tuesday. AND im 1000% positive that this child will be fine to. If I want your opinion, I will ask. But thank you



Quoting louzannalady:



I trust the highly educated people (who have their doctorates) who don't want any legal issues and more familiar with their product, who put information to report adverse reations to VAERS in each package of their product, because they don't KNOW that this is safe for babies! And the CDC site, that lists the ingredients in the shots, so that I can make an informed decision. 





Here is a list, from the CDC of all the vax's ingredients.



http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf



Here is the first ingredient in the first flu vax listed: beta-Propiolactone.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-Propiolactone



Here is the second ingredient in the same vax: thiomersal. 



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal



Here are current inserts to the different flu vaccines, for your consideration. Just hit Ctrl + F and type "pregnant" and it will take you to the segment on pregnancy. Most have it set up for people to report if there are adverse reactions in pregnancy, because they just don't know for sure if there are any. 



http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_fluarix.pdf



http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_flulaval.pdf



http://www.medimmune.com/pdf/products/flumist_pi.pdf



http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM123694.pdf



https://www.vaccineshoppe.com/image.cfm?doc_id=12651%E2%84%91_type=product_pdf






Quoting livingrlovesong:



 I've gotten the flu shot with all of my kids. (althought I did have the swine flu with my oldest son was born) I will get it with this one. I will trust my DOCTOR over internet research anyday






 



 


 

 

 BabyFruit Ticker
Randi02
by Gold Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:19 PM
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LOL

I trust my doctor, too. Not blindly, of course - but I trust her. Thankfully she, my OB, and our paediatrician all share the same views on vaccination. We don't vaccinate at all, and I'm glad they not only don't push the issue- but they feel the same way :)


Quoting livingrlovesong:

Oh Good Lord woman get off of it already. As I stated multiple Times, I trust MY doctor. MY clearly does not refer to every dr in the world. *rolls eyes* way to board the train though. Proud of you!



Quoting Randi02:

You're right. Doctors go to school for years, and are always right. It's a good thing, too... Otherwise someone would need to invent some kind of malpractice insurance.





I wonder why pregnancy is listed as a contraindication right on the vaccine package. Weird!






Quoting livingrlovesong:

 I have done my research. But when it comes down to it, I am a firm believer in my doctor is a doctor for a reason. He went to school for all those years. I also work in a hospital. The doctor is not going to give me anything/do anything that is unsafe for me and my child. So when it comes down to it, its not me or my child that needs the 'Good Luck.' But thank you for your OPINION.




Quoting RhondaVeggie:

And that's your choice. If you don't want to look at the research then all anyone can do is wish you luck.





Quoting livingrlovesong:




 Good for you. But im not interested in your links or opinions. My babies were all perfectly healthy. Flu shot and all. Im 11 weeks pregnant now, and I will be getting my flu shot next Tuesday. AND im 1000% positive that this child will be fine to. If I want your opinion, I will ask. But thank you





Quoting louzannalady:





I trust the highly educated people (who have their doctorates) who don't want any legal issues and more familiar with their product, who put information to report adverse reations to VAERS in each package of their product, because they don't KNOW that this is safe for babies! And the CDC site, that lists the ingredients in the shots, so that I can make an informed decision. 









Here is a list, from the CDC of all the vax's ingredients.





http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf





Here is the first ingredient in the first flu vax listed: beta-Propiolactone.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-Propiolactone





Here is the second ingredient in the same vax: thiomersal. 





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal





Here are current inserts to the different flu vaccines, for your consideration. Just hit Ctrl + F and type "pregnant" and it will take you to the segment on pregnancy. Most have it set up for people to report if there are adverse reactions in pregnancy, because they just don't know for sure if there are any. 





http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_fluarix.pdf





http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_flulaval.pdf





http://www.medimmune.com/pdf/products/flumist_pi.pdf





http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM123694.pdf





https://www.vaccineshoppe.com/image.cfm?doc_id=12651%E2%84%91_type=product_pdf










Quoting livingrlovesong:





 I've gotten the flu shot with all of my kids. (althought I did have the swine flu with my oldest son was born) I will get it with this one. I will trust my DOCTOR over internet research anyday










 





 

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rachelrothchild
by on Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:24 PM

I didn't say you called anyone stupid.  The tone of a few of your comments was pretty rude.  Maybe you didn't intend that, but they came across pretty defensive.

Saying stuff like "that's awesome that you believe everything you read" provokes people because no one believes EVERYTHING they read.  That would be an example of a critical response and should be avoided when talking to others.  This is an exercise in appropriate communication.  We don't need to escalate things for no good reason.  That is what pisses people off.  Please learn from this and stop projecting.

Quoting livingrlovesong:

I HIGHLY doubt you are more educated than I am, but that's really a mute point. Now who is being rude?



And I never once called anyone stupid, that's not my nature. All I did was respond to the OPs question to get bashed and have others opinions thrown at me. That's awesome if you want to believe everything you read. But yes I 100% trust my doctor. I have 100% researched this subject on my own as well. And for me, I choose to believe my doctor. If I wanted to believe in Santa Claus that's my own right to do so! If I don't ask for your opinion please dont throw it at me like I'm doing something wrong and say "Good Luck" (not you in particular). It's not appreciated.

Thank You


Quoting rachelrothchild:

Since when do you need a doctorate to possess critical thinking skills, look at research and interpret results, and present facts to another person?

You are using multiple logical fallacies in your arguments.  I suppose that's a really big word for a simpleton (me) without a doctorate though. Do you believe everything your doctor tells you?  That makes you just as "uninformed" as these women who don't work in hospitals.  What are you a nurse, an orderly, a cook, a housekeeper?  I bet I have more education than you do, but I digress from the point.

You do know that doctors prescribe medications people are allergic to all the time (even when the person tells the doctor they are allergic), right?  You do also know that doctors prescribe medications (usually anti-depressants and pain medication) to populations (like pregnant women) they are not intended for nor proven safe for, right?  You do know that death is a side effect of some medications, correct?  Why are vaccines any different?

You are rude, misinformed, and misguided.  You put too much trust in people with degrees and letters behind their names.  But keep insisting that we are the stupid ones.

Quoting livingrlovesong:

 What college did you graduate from? Where did you get your doctorate? What is your PHD in?

I guess your a believer in "Everything you find on the internet is true" Good luck to you, Ma'am



Quoting louzannalady:



The links were no opinion, they are factual: the ingredients from the CDC itself and the inserts from the pharmacitical companies themselves. If you are not interested in such facts, that is fine. I am sorry I infringed by offering such data to you. I wish you and your little ones all the very best. *tips hat* Have a great day, Ma'am! : ) 



Quoting livingrlovesong:



 Good for you. But im not interested in your links or opinions. My babies were all perfectly healthy. Flu shot and all. Im 11 weeks pregnant now, and I will be getting my flu shot next Tuesday. AND im 1000% positive that this child will be fine to. If I want your opinion, I will ask. But thank you



Quoting louzannalady:



I trust the highly educated people (who have their doctorates) who don't want any legal issues and more familiar with their product, who put information to report adverse reations to VAERS in each package of their product, because they don't KNOW that this is safe for babies! And the CDC site, that lists the ingredients in the shots, so that I can make an informed decision. 





Here is a list, from the CDC of all the vax's ingredients.



http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf



Here is the first ingredient in the first flu vax listed: beta-Propiolactone.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-Propiolactone



Here is the second ingredient in the same vax: thiomersal. 



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal



Here are current inserts to the different flu vaccines, for your consideration. Just hit Ctrl + F and type "pregnant" and it will take you to the segment on pregnancy. Most have it set up for people to report if there are adverse reactions in pregnancy, because they just don't know for sure if there are any. 



http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_fluarix.pdf



http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_flulaval.pdf



http://www.medimmune.com/pdf/products/flumist_pi.pdf



http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM123694.pdf



https://www.vaccineshoppe.com/image.cfm?doc_id=12651%E2%84%91_type=product_pdf






Quoting livingrlovesong:



 I've gotten the flu shot with all of my kids. (althought I did have the swine flu with my oldest son was born) I will get it with this one. I will trust my DOCTOR over internet research anyday






 






 



FrancineSmith
by Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Is there really a pissing match going on? Ha ha

I love the title of the post. No EXTRA risk. So there is risk involved. Thanks for sharing, but I still won't be getting it. The effectiveness of this year's vaccine is not impressive enough for me to be unnecessarily stabbed.


livingrlovesong
by Bronze Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Ok

Quoting rachelrothchild:

I didn't say you called anyone stupid.  The tone of a few of your comments was pretty rude.  Maybe you didn't intend that, but they came across pretty defensive.

Saying stuff like "that's awesome that you believe everything you read" provokes people because no one believes EVERYTHING they read.  That would be an example of a critical response and should be avoided when talking to others.  This is an exercise in appropriate communication.  We don't need to escalate things for no good reason.  That is what pisses people off.  Please learn from this and stop projecting.

Quoting livingrlovesong:

I HIGHLY doubt you are more educated than I am, but that's really a mute point. Now who is being rude?



And I never once called anyone stupid, that's not my nature. All I did was respond to the OPs question to get bashed and have others opinions thrown at me. That's awesome if you want to believe everything you read. But yes I 100% trust my doctor. I have 100% researched this subject on my own as well. And for me, I choose to believe my doctor. If I wanted to believe in Santa Claus that's my own right to do so! If I don't ask for your opinion please dont throw it at me like I'm doing something wrong and say "Good Luck" (not you in particular). It's not appreciated.

Thank You


Quoting rachelrothchild:

Since when do you need a doctorate to possess critical thinking skills, look at research and interpret results, and present facts to another person?

You are using multiple logical fallacies in your arguments.  I suppose that's a really big word for a simpleton (me) without a doctorate though. Do you believe everything your doctor tells you?  That makes you just as "uninformed" as these women who don't work in hospitals.  What are you a nurse, an orderly, a cook, a housekeeper?  I bet I have more education than you do, but I digress from the point.

You do know that doctors prescribe medications people are allergic to all the time (even when the person tells the doctor they are allergic), right?  You do also know that doctors prescribe medications (usually anti-depressants and pain medication) to populations (like pregnant women) they are not intended for nor proven safe for, right?  You do know that death is a side effect of some medications, correct?  Why are vaccines any different?

You are rude, misinformed, and misguided.  You put too much trust in people with degrees and letters behind their names.  But keep insisting that we are the stupid ones.

Quoting livingrlovesong:

 What college did you graduate from? Where did you get your doctorate? What is your PHD in?

I guess your a believer in "Everything you find on the internet is true" Good luck to you, Ma'am



Quoting louzannalady:



The links were no opinion, they are factual: the ingredients from the CDC itself and the inserts from the pharmacitical companies themselves. If you are not interested in such facts, that is fine. I am sorry I infringed by offering such data to you. I wish you and your little ones all the very best. *tips hat* Have a great day, Ma'am! : ) 



Quoting livingrlovesong:



 Good for you. But im not interested in your links or opinions. My babies were all perfectly healthy. Flu shot and all. Im 11 weeks pregnant now, and I will be getting my flu shot next Tuesday. AND im 1000% positive that this child will be fine to. If I want your opinion, I will ask. But thank you



Quoting louzannalady:



I trust the highly educated people (who have their doctorates) who don't want any legal issues and more familiar with their product, who put information to report adverse reations to VAERS in each package of their product, because they don't KNOW that this is safe for babies! And the CDC site, that lists the ingredients in the shots, so that I can make an informed decision. 





Here is a list, from the CDC of all the vax's ingredients.



http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf



Here is the first ingredient in the first flu vax listed: beta-Propiolactone.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-Propiolactone



Here is the second ingredient in the same vax: thiomersal. 



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal



Here are current inserts to the different flu vaccines, for your consideration. Just hit Ctrl + F and type "pregnant" and it will take you to the segment on pregnancy. Most have it set up for people to report if there are adverse reactions in pregnancy, because they just don't know for sure if there are any. 



http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_fluarix.pdf



http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_flulaval.pdf



http://www.medimmune.com/pdf/products/flumist_pi.pdf



http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM123694.pdf



https://www.vaccineshoppe.com/image.cfm?doc_id=12651%E2%84%91_type=product_pdf






Quoting livingrlovesong:



 I've gotten the flu shot with all of my kids. (althought I did have the swine flu with my oldest son was born) I will get it with this one. I will trust my DOCTOR over internet research anyday






 






 



 

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