this is a post i made for my group BIRTH IS NORMAL. just thought i would share. 

i am deeply saddened reading the latest two medicalized births. the thing that saddens me the most is how much more of this are we going to take? how much more abuse are we going to subject ourselves to? i too have endured a horrible medicalized birth, the vast majority of us have.

hospitals are not the place for birth. nurses, doctors and often nurse-midwives are not your friends. they are not there to grant your every wish. in fact it seems they are trying to destroy every goal you had for your beautiful birth. the maternity health care system is horribly corrupt. the sooner we realize this the sooner we can warn all women of what they face when they plan to have a baby in a hospital. we need to take off our rose-tinted glasses and face the cold harsh reality. the maternity health care system will not change until all women demand it. if all women stopped going to hospitals then maybe they would be forced to change they way the operate to get business back. a business is just what is, they are there to make money off mothers and babies. the more interventions that occur during birth means more money made for the hospital. there is a reason the German word for hospital means "sick house".

you have to remember women have been birthing without the help of trained doctors for thousands of years. birth has only occured in a hospital for about the last hundread years, that's it! women have been helping women give birth since time begin.

i know some women say they have no choice but to birth in a hospital because of insurance, finances, no birth center locally or what have you. but the fact is that we all have more than one choice as to where we give birth.

yes paying for a home birth midwife out-of-pocket can be expensive. so you start saving immediately after your most recent birth for the next birth, use your tax returns, borrow money from a relative, bank loan, etc. if you want a home birth bad enough you will find a way to make it happen.

you say you don't have the money and aren't comfortable with borrowing money. then have an unassisted birth. indeed that takes the time of A LOT of self-education, knowing your body, trusting your body and preparation. but if my only choices were the hospital or an unassisted birth you bet your butt i would be doing an UC. i wouldn't even have to think about it.

for those of you who have already had one hospital birth and maybe it was "okay" and you didn't suffer a technocratic birth that felt like abuse. but who's to say with your next hospital birth you may not end with birth trauma/rape? the chances of having a non-medicalized natural birth in a hospital are about as good as winning the lottery. i know some of you that are planning a hospital birth may not find my words very comforting. i would rather be honest and not candy-coat the truth to make you feel better. i am trying to prevent from having to comfort you after you have experienced birth trauma/rape at a hospital that could have been easily prevented.

indeed sometimes interventions and technology are truly needed during birth; for that i am so grateful we have them. when they are truly needed.

to the women who are pregnant with your first and are planning a hospital birth i hope you meditate for a moment on my words, the words of the other members in BIN and the medicalized birth stories women in BIN have endured. we are trying to spare yet another women from yet another medicalized traumatic birth that happens on a daily basis in every state. if you continue to plan a hospital birth you MUST be prepared to fight for your birth. very often when you have been fighting for twenty hours against the technocratic model you will cave and give in. women get swallowed up in the system and succumb to allowing interventions. you have more choices then you realize.

i know a few women in BIN have had non-medicalized natural births in a hospital. i am ever so glad you did!!! but the fact is that a non-medicalized natural birth in a hospital is the rarity, not the norm.

my point of this post is to encourage you to trust your body, not the system. the system is broken - not your body.

so let's link arms, stand united and protest for birth. women, babies and birth deserve better!!!


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Jun. 1, 2008 at 4:12 PM omg  i wish i could had easy births but my body had other plans i had to have c-sections with my kids

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Jun. 1, 2008 at 4:15 PM why did you have to have a c-section?

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Jun. 1, 2008 at 4:59 PM

I do believe that a lot of births can be done at home and not in a hospital, but the fact of the matter is, some women just cannot.  I am one of them.  I had an accreta with my daughter and have an accreta with my son right now.  If I took your advice to heart and had just "trusted my body" without consulting a trained medical professional first, I would not be pregnant with my son right now, I'd be 15 months in the grave (and this is not an exaggeration).

I think the point you should be conveying is that women should be more informed of their choices, risks etc. and NOT "forgo" prenatal care because, if something IS wrong, THAT is when medical technology needs to be utilized. Birth IS natural but it's not always safe or simple. And women have been doing it for centuries, yes, but the mortality rate for mothers/babies has drastically dropped from the "early days" to "modern" day.  

I understand the point you're trying to get across, I really do, please believe that, it's just, in my view, is golden and if you're not educated, you cannot possibly make the right decisions. Putting total faith in ANYTHING is dangerous, because there are always exceptions to every rule.

Just my thoughts :)


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Jun. 1, 2008 at 5:18 PM mainemusicmaker if you had trusted your body then your body would have told you something was wrong.  The reason mortality rates have gone down in modern times is because we have sanitation, clean water, etc.  Did you know that mortality rates actually rose sharply once birth was moved to the hospital?  It wasn't until drs started washing their hands did mortality rates drop.  Interestingly enough, America has the second WORSTnewborn mortality rate of all the industrialized nations.  Nations that have high rates of homebirth and midwifery care have much lower mortality rates than America.

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Jun. 1, 2008 at 5:24 PM I am very high risk and was in the hospital for 11 weeks on strict bed rest (bed pan and bed baths only). My son when he was born spent 3 weeks in the NICU. I am sorry but I would have lost my son if not for the hospital I stayed in and the wonderful staff that saved his life before and after he was born. It would be wonderful if every woman could have a perfect pregnancy and deliver easily at home but sadly that is not the case for everyone.

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Jun. 1, 2008 at 5:57 PM It's not the case for EVERY pregnancy/woman, but for the overwhelming VAST majority it IS.  Normal, low-risk, healthy pregnancy is SAFER at home and far far away from intervention.  For the small percentage of women with complications, the hospital is an excellent asset.  We are so lucky we have things like epidurals, for mom to be awake when a c/s is NEEDED (about 10-15% of all births).  We are SO lucky to have trained surgeons to handle deliveries that are complicated due to XYZ and have our babies delivered without having to sacrifice one life or the other.  We're lucky to have it, yes, but it should not replace the 85-90% of normal births.  This is when too much of a good thing is bad.

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Jun. 1, 2008 at 6:48 PM


Incorrect, there is no way to know there's an accreta present without an ultrasound. We had no clue anything was "wrong" with my first pregnancy until the day she broke my water and would NOT come out. After another ultrasound the accreta was found. It's not common, nor is it something that is normally "checked" for during routine ultrasounds. No one would have been the wiser if she'd not been in a breech position. Because she was breech, and not turning into the proper position it was found. Had she been in a proper position, she'd have come out, the placenta would have torn my uterus and I would have had a 70% chance of bleeding out on the table. So, no, trusting MY body in MY instance alone, would not have told me if anything was wrong.

As for the drop in mortality rates, there's far more that contributed to the drop than just clean water and sanitation. Women who have had to have medical intervention were able to get it, you cannot just discount the benefits of medical intervention for women who have valid problems/reasons for seeking it out.

Again, I'm all for home birth, but I'm NOT for tossing out prenatal care from licensed individuals. If you don't trust your doctor to be doing the right thing by you, personally, then education and finding another doctor is what  an expectant mother should pursue.

Again, just my thoughts. 

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Jun. 1, 2008 at 7:06 PM

mainemusicmaker, i never said anyone should "forgo" prenatal care - ever. i am advocating for quality health care. big difference.

the likelihood that "something will go wrong" is far more common in a hospital for a low-risk pregnant woman because of the unnecessary medical interventions that *cause*  things to go "wrong".

we are talking about low-risk women here, which accounts for about 85-90% of pregnant women

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Jun. 1, 2008 at 7:19 PM


reread what I said.  I never said you would have seen visual signs (although there sometimes are with accreta).  I'm talking about intuition, instincts.  Women who are in touch with their bodies understand what is going on inside them and if something is "off" even with no symptoms.  I have seen it happen hundreds of times.  I can tell you that with my last pregnancy, I knew something was wrong even though there were NO signs.  I tried to ignore my instincts but in the end they were right.  I found out my baby was dead at 18.5 wks.  I never bled, never spotted.  I had many ultrasounds and everything showed a healthy growing baby.  But when a woman is intune with her body, she can become aware that something is wrong and she can seek medical attention as needed. 

 The funny thing is even you yourself admit that this is not something that is screened for and they just HAPPENED to catch it because your dd was breech.  This is another thing about the beauty of nature, babies sometimes positon themselves certain ways for a reason.  Another example of what we are talking about here is the AROM you experienced.  This is what happens in the hospital and what we are warning others about.  Another is the risk of unnecessary c-section which I would think would be a concern of yours since previous c-section is a primary risk factor for placenta accreta.  I'm sure you don't want to see accreta rates rise along with c-section rates (this is already happening).  The majority of c-sections in America today are unnecessary. 

 Also, you have repeatedly mentioned that you would have died or would have likely died but that isn't true.  Placenta Accreta has a mortailty rate of about 7%.  It is a serious condition and I'm glad that you recieved timely and approrpriate care but most likely you would not have died even if you didn't have an ultrasound because your dd was breech.

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Jun. 1, 2008 at 9:01 PM

SlapIt, If I had opted for a home birth and waited too long, if my daughter had NOT been breech, I would NOT have made it to the hospital in time.  Assuming she was breech because of the accreta is a stretch, babies are breech all the time, it's a common occurrence. THAT is what I am saying.

As for previous c-sections being a risk factor for future accreta's, yes, this is true, however my daughter (first) had the accreta positioned on the front of my uterus. My son's is on the back, the accreta's are nowhere near one another and again, in my instance alone, it is outside the norm.

I never implied or even hinted that I am all for hospital births. All I said was that "to warn a new or expectant mother away from medical attention" COULD be detrimental because no one can ever know what may happen.

Having proper prenatal care by a licensed, TRUSTED doctor does NOT mean you have to have a hospital birth. Only that the pregnancy can be monitored for risk and you can make your decisions based on the research that every mother should do when being informed of any "conditions" that might arise. 

Putting all your faith and trust into a mid-wife or doula is just as dangerous as putting all your faith into every word a doctor has to say to you. Education is key.  

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