Barack Obama's Health Care Record

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From www.johnmccain.com - for your enlightenment and that of others!

ARLINGTON, VA -- With Barack Obama lying about John McCain's health care plan today, please find below the facts about Barack Obama's health care record:

BARACK OBAMA RECENTLY ACKNOWLEDGED HIS PLAN WILL COST AT LEAST $150 BILLION A YEAR

Despite What He Claimed Today, Barack Obama Recently Said His Plan Will Cost At Least $150 Billion, Despite Earlier Claims That It Will Cost Much Less:

Barack Obama Said On "60 Minutes" That His Plan Would Cost At Least $150 Billion.

CBS' Steve Kroft: "How much is it going to cost? $150 billion it's going to cost, right?" Obama: "It is. It is. But we pay for every dime that we propose to spend. I believe in pay as you go. That if you want to propose a new program, you better cut some old ones. If you want to expand a program, then you better figure out where the money's coming from." (CBS' "60 Minutes," 9/21/08)

Previously, Barack Obama Said His Plan Will Save The Average Person $2,500 Per Year And Will Cost Taxpayers Between $50-$65 Billion Per Year.

"Obama said his plan could save the average consumer $2,500 a year and bring health care to all. Campaign aides estimated the cost of the program at $50 billion to $65 billion a year, financed largely by eliminating tax cuts for the wealthy that are scheduled to expire." (Mike Glover, "The Time Has Come For Universal, Affordable Health Care, Obama Says," The Associated Press, 5/29/07)

BARACK OBAMA'S CLAIM THAT HIS PLAN SAVES FAMILIES $2,500 IS BASED ON "MISLEADING MATH"

There Is "Zero Credible Evidence" That The Obama Plan Will Lower The Costs Insurance Premiums By $2,500, Which Is Based Off Of "Misleading Math":

Obama's Pledge To Lower Health Care Premiums By $2,500 In His First Term "Is A Matter Of Considerable Dispute" Among Experts.

"In speech after speech, Senator Barack Obama has pledged that he will lower the country's health care costs enough to 'bring down premiums by $2,500 for the typical family.' Moreover, Mr. Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, has promised that his health plan will be in place 'by the end of my first term as president of the United States.' Whether Mr. Obama can deliver is a matter of considerable dispute among health analysts and economists." (Kevin Sack, "Obstacles For Obama In Meeting Health Care Goal," The New York Times, 7/23/08)

A Health Policy Professor At The University Of North Carolina-Chapel Hill Said The Savings In The Obama Plan Are "Wishful Thinking."

"Jonathan B. Oberlander, who teaches health policy at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, called it wishful thinking. 'Do they have the potential to generate significant savings in the long run?' Dr. Oberlander asked. 'Yes. Do I believe they will produce substantial savings in the short run that can be used to finance Obama's plan? No.'" (Kevin Sack, "Obstacles For Obama In Meeting Health Care Goal," The New York Times, 7/23/08)

M.I.T.'s Jonathan Gruber Said That There Is "Zero Credible Evidence" That The Obama Plan Will Save The Average Family On The Costs Of Insurance Premiums.

"Experts also are skeptical of both [Obama and Clinton's] claims that their plans will reduce the cost of insurance for the typical family by $2,000 or more. 'I know zero credible evidence to support that conclusion,' says M.I.T's Jonathan Gruber." (Factcheck.org Website, www.factcheck.org, Accessed 6/9/08)

Factcheck.Org Said Obama's Claim That His Plan Will Cut Insurance Premium Costs By $2,500 Is "A Bit Of Misleading Math."

"That's a bit of misleading math. It assumes individual Americans will share in all of the savings for the health care system, which includes insurance companies, the government and health care providers. Obama claims families will save $2,500 under his plan, but they won't see at least some of those savings directly in the form of lower premiums. And they may not see them indirectly either." (Factcheck.Org, www.factcheck.org, Accessed 6/16/08)

BARACK OBAMA'S PLAN WILL BURDEN BUSINESSES WITH A MANDATE AND IS VAGUE ABOUT WHICH ONES ARE EXEMPT

Barack Obama's Health Care Plan Requires Employers To Provide Insurance Or Contribute A Percentage Of Their Payroll To The Public Plan:

Barack Obama's Plan Includes Required Employer Coverage Similar To The Failed Clinton Mandate Of 1993.

"Obama would require almost all employers to offer insurance to workers or face a tax penalty, an idea that many businesses abhor and that is also in Edwards's proposal. This employer mandate drove much of the opposition to the Clinton plan in 1994." (Anne E. Kornblut and Perry Bacon Jr., "Obama Says Washington Is Ready For Health Plan," The Washington Post, 5/30/07)

· "In Addition, Mandated Employer Coverage Has Faced Fierce Opposition In The Past And Likely Will Again, [New America Foundation Len] Nichols Said." (JoNel Aleccia, "Overhauling Health Care: Two Divergent Visions," MSNBC News, www.msnbc.msn.com, 9/22/08)

Barack Obama Is Vague On The Specifics Small Businesses Have To Meet In Order To Be Exempt From His Employer Mandate:

Obama's Campaign Has Not "Put Out A Specific Number" When Asked To Identify Which Small Businesses Would Qualify For The Small Business Exemption And Tax Credit.

"Under Obama's health plan, businesses over an unspecified size would have to either make a 'meaningful contribution' to their employees' health coverage or else pay an undefined percentage of payroll towards the costs of the national plan. Obama has also promised 'small businesses' that he would provide them with a refundable tax credit worth up to 50 percent of what they contribute towards their employees' health premiums. 'We haven't put out a specific number,' said Jason Furman, Obama's director of economic policy, when asked by ABC News to identify who would be covered by Obama's small business exemption and health-care tax credit." (Gregory Wallace and Teddy Davis, "Obama Fuzzy On 'Small Business' Exemption," ABC's "Political Radar" Blog, blogs.abcnews.com, 8/5/08)

Obama's Campaign Has Not Laid Out Details About How Much The Play Or Pay Or Tax Would Be For Those Who Don't Offer Health Insurance Or Which Small Businesses Are Exempt.

"The campaign has not said how large the tax would be for businesses that opt not to offer insurance, or how small a business would have to be to be excluded from the requirement. If the payroll tax is too low, say 6 percent, many businesses will opt to pay it instead of offering insurance, sending their employees into the public program and boosting federal costs, he noted." (JoNel Aleccia, "Overhauling Health Care: Two Divergent Visions," MSNBC News, www.msnbc.msn.com, 9/22/08)

Obama's Staff "Declined To Be More Specific" For The Philadelphia Inquirer About His Employer Mandate.

"Under [Obama's] plan, employers either would give employees 'meaningful' insurance coverage or pay a percentage of payroll to provide coverage for the uninsured. His staff declined to be more specific." (Stacey Burling, "Clinton, Obama Differ Slightly On Health Plans," The Philadelphia Inquirer, 4/15/08)

BARACK OBAMA SAID HIS PLAN MAY LEAD TO A SINGLE-PAYER PLAN "OVER TIME"

Barack Obama Suggested His Health Care Plan Could Lead To A Single-Payer System "Over Time":

Barack Obama Says His Health Care Plan Could Lead To Single-Payer System "Over Time."

Obama: "If I were designing a system from scratch, then I'd probably set up a single-payer system. ... But the problem is we're not starting from scratch. ... Making that transition in a rapid way I think would be very difficult. ... So my attitude is let's build up the system we got, let's make it more efficient, we may be over time -- as we make the system more efficient and everybody's cover -- decide that there are other ways for us to provide care more effectively." (Barack Obama, Remarks At A Campaign Event, Albuquerque, NM, 8/18/08)

Barack Obama Was A Self-Described "Proponent" Of Single-Payer Health Care, But Later Backtracked:

Barack Obama Was A "Proponent Of A Single-Payer Health Care Program" And Said It Could Happen If Democrats Occupied The White House And A Majority In Congress.

Obama: "I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. A single-payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that's what I'd like to see. And as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, we have to take back the House." (Barack Obama, Remarks At AFL-CIO Forum, Chicago, IL, 6/30/03)

In 2008, Barack Obama Said He Would Only Support A Single-Payer System If "Starting From Scratch."

Obama: "[I] never said that we should try to go ahead and get single payer. What I said was that if I were starting from scratch, if we didn't have a system in which employers had typically provided health care, I would probably go with a single-payer system." (Barack Obama, CNN/Congressional Black Caucus Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate, Myrtle Beach, SC, 1/21/08)

KEY DEMOCRATS DOUBT THAT BARACK OBAMA'S PLAN WILL PASS

Senate Democrats Are Already Raising Doubts About The Likelihood That The Obama Plan Will Pass:

Senior Congressional Democrats Are "Maneuvering To Lower Public Expectations" Of Barack Obama's Health Care Promises.

"Congressional Democrats are backing away from healthcare reform promises made by their two presidential candidates, saying that even if their party controls the White House and Congress, sweeping change will be difficult. It is still seven months before Election Day, but already senior Democrats are maneuvering to lower public expectations on the key policy issue." (Manu Raju, "Dems Hedge On Healthcare," The Hill, 4/23/08)

Barack Obama's Promises To Deliver Universal Care On The Campaign Trail "May Not Match The Political Reality On Capitol Hill."

"For some senators, the promises made by Sens. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) outside of Washington may not match the political reality on Capitol Hill." (Manu Raju, "Dems Hedge On Healthcare," The Hill, 4/23/08)

Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) On The Obama Health Care Plan:

"We all know there is not enough money to do all this stuff. . What they are doing is...laying out their ambitions." (Manu Raju, "Dems Hedge On Healthcare," The Hill, 4/23/08)

Sen. Chuck Schumer Questions If The U.S. Is "Ready For A Major National Heath Care Plan."

"Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), a member of Senate Democratic leadership and a key Hillary Clinton ally who also sits on the Finance Committee, said he is 'not sure we have the big plan on healthcare. ... Healthcare I feel strongly about, but I am not sure that we're ready for a major national healthcare plan,' Schumer said." (Manu Raju, "Dems Hedge On Healthcare," The Hill, 4/23/08)

IN ILLINOIS, OBAMA HAD A "PERFECT VOTING RECORD" IN FAVOR OF STATE MANDATES

In Illinois, Barack Obama Had A "Perfect Voting Record" On Insurance Mandates That Are Now In Place In Illinois And Have Increased The Cost Of Health Care In Illinois:

"Obama Voted For All" Of The 18 Insurance Mandates That Passed During His Time As A State Senator.

"Today, the requirement is one of 43 mandates imposed by Illinois on health insurance, according to the Illinois Division of Insurance. ... By my count, during Mr. Obama's tenure in the state Senate, 18 different laws came up for a vote and passed that imposed new mandates on private health insurance. Mr. Obama voted for all of them." (Scott Gottlieb, Op-Ed, "Obama's Health Care Record," The Wall Street Journal, 5/5/08)

According To American Enterprise Institute's Scott Gottlieb,

Barack Obama Had A "Perfect Voting Record" On Enacting State Mandates That Have Increased Insurance Costs. Gottlieb: "The fact is that about 18 in all, bills came up - public acts came up that would impose new mandates on private insurance plans about things they had to cover and [Obama] voted for all of them. He had a perfect voting record. We know as a matter of policy, these state mandates end up increasing cost. Many of them are pushed by special minutes the states. In the case of dental anesthesia, pushed by the dentists, this is far more complicated dental procedures. Nonetheless, these are things that people may be willing to fund out of pocket or partially pay for. By mandating them, insurance companies need to cover the cost, it ends up increasing the cost of health insurance and cost of basic policies which in many cases is all people can afford." (CNBC's "Squawk Box," 5/6/08)

Barack Obama "Clearly" Did Not Stand Up To Special Interest In Illinois By Consistently Voting In Favor Of Insurance Mandates. Gottlieb: "[B]arack Obama was hardly alone for voting for state mandates. In fairness, they have become less popular because a lot of states are realizing they do increase the cost of health insurance. But he's out on the campaign trail talking about his willingness to stand up to special interests in order to control costs. In the state of Illinois, he clearly didn't do that. He voted for all of these state mandates. In fact, he voted for a lot of additional insurance regulation, some of which we didn't count because we didn't feel it fit the mold of what you call a mandate. If you include the insurance regulation he voted for, voting record was 21 out of 21 public acts that came up." (CNBC's "Squawk Box," 5/6/08)

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Here are the facts on Obama's healthcare plan. 

godzgirl21 Oct. 6, 2008 at 6:32 AM

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Thank you for the facts, GG!

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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_inflated_health_savings.html

Obama's Inflated Health "Savings"
He claims that a shift to electronic medical records will help save families up to $2,500 a year in his first term. Independent experts say that's wishful thinking.
Summary
Obama says his health care plan will garner large savings $120 billion a year, or $2,500 per family with more than half coming from the use of electronic health records. And he says he’ll make that happen in his first term. We find his statements to be overly optimistic, misleading and, to some extent, contradicted by one of his own advisers. And it masks the true cost of his plan to cover millions of Americans who now have no health insurance.
  • Obama cites a RAND study that found widespread use of electronic health records could save up to $77 billion a year in overall health care spending. But the study says that level of savings won’t be reached until 2019, when it projects 90 percent of hospitals and doctors would be using electronic records systems.

  • Much could be done to speed up the adoption of electronic record-keeping. But experts, including the lead researcher on the RAND study, are extremely doubtful the U.S. could see widespread adoption in the first term of an Obama presidency, or even a second term. Even a campaign adviser acknowledges Obama’s plan likely won’t reach the full savings potential until five years into implementation, by which time Obama could be out of office.

  • Obama says he’ll "lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year” by investing in electronic health records as well as other efforts. But his adviser tells us that $2,500 figure includes savings to government and employers that could, theoretically, lead to lower taxes or higher wages for families so we shouldn't necessarily expect insurance premiums that are "lower" by that amount.

  • The RAND study on which the campaign partly bases its estimates is one of the only reports available on possible cost savings. It may well be correct – no one knows for sure. But it looks at potential savings in an ideal situation and recently has faced criticism.
Many, if not most, health care experts and professionals agree that the use of electronic health records or health IT would have various benefits, in terms of quality of care as well as spending. But doctors and hospitals in the U.S. have been slow to adopt it for several reasons. Whether Obama can effectively bring about widespread adoption and large savings is an open question and not as concrete as his pronouncements imply.
Analysis
In a town hall meeting on health care on June 5, Obama talked about the savings his plan will provide within the next four years.

Obama (Bristol, Va., June 5): In an Obama administration, we’ll lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year. And we’ll do it by investing in disease prevention, not just disease management; by investing in a paperless health care system to reduce administrative costs; and by covering every single American and making sure that they can take their health care with them if they lose their job. ... And we won’t do all this twenty years from now, or ten years from now. We’ll do it by the end of my first term as president of the United States.

This is far from the first time that Obama has mentioned the importance of "a paperless health care system" in other words, electronic medical records and other health information technology to his projected savings. In a memo, his panel of health care experts wrote: "Greater use of information technology is one key to a more efficient health care system, along with incentives to use that technology wisely. The Rand Corporation conservatively estimated that significant investment in health IT could save $77 billion per year.”

Similarly, his health plan
touts the figure: "A study by the Rand Corporation found that if most hospitals and doctors offices adopted electronic health records, up to $77 billion of savings would be realized each year through improvements such as reduced hospital stays, avoidance of duplicative and unnecessary testing, more appropriate drug utilization, and other efficiencies." This $77 billion is part of the $120 billion to $200 billion in total annual savings that Obama's health care experts say will come from his plan.

These rosy projections make universal health care seem almost painless, particularly when the savings estimates far outweigh the costs of Obama's plan (his campaign projects $50 billion to $65 billion a year in new government funds). But it's highly questionable that Obama could reach the level of savings he touts within one term. The RAND study on which the Obama campaign partially bases its savings estimates assumes we won't see widespread adoption
or the full $77 billion in estimated savings until 2019. Experts we interviewed doubted Obama could prompt widespread adoption within one or even two presidential terms. Adoption of electronic health records has been crawling along in the U.S. In fact, even an Obama adviser says it will take at least five years to foster widespread use. Plus, it's unknown whether the RAND estimates will turn out to be correct: The study recently was criticized by the Congressional Budget Office as an overly optimistic best-case scenario.

In One Term? Unlikely.


If electronic medical records can save $77 billion a year (and no one knows for sure), it won’t happen during an Obama presidency, even in a second term,
according to the RAND study itself. The $77 billion figure represents savings that could occur once 90 percent of doctors and hospitals have adopted and are effectively using electronic medical records, a process RAND estimates will last through the end of 2018. The study assumed a 15-year adoption period, from 2004 through 2018, a span based on the implementation of complex technology in other industries. Savings are substantially less during this period.

RAND study: At 90 percent adoption, we estimate that the potential HIT-enabled efficiency savings for both inpatient and outpatient care could average more than $77 billion per year (an average annual savings of $42 billion during the adoption period).

In other words, RAND predicts the health care system overall will save $42 billion a year on average throughout the next president's term, and even during a second term not $77 billion as the Obama campaign says. That also means some of these savings are occurring right now. The amount would be less than the estimated $42 billion and would increasingly grow as more and more providers adopted electronic records.

So, the health care system is reaping some amount of these savings already, and the Obama campaign is including them in its calculations. John Shiels, senior vice president of The Lewin Group, a health care research organization, criticized Obama (and Clinton, who also had cited the RAND figures) for inflating the savings he could produce. The Democratic candidates "can't take credit for savings that are already occurring because of that," he told FactCheck.org in a February interview. "You could accelerate the adoption of new technology ... but savings would be far less than they're saying."

Richard Hillestad, a RAND senior principal researcher who led the study, confirms that the health care system won't reach $77 billion in savings until 2019, according to RAND's model. And he adds that the figure doesn't represent net savings; there would be some costs for maintaining the systems.

Obama adviser Dr. David Cutler of Harvard told us the campaign's savings estimates included the full $77 billion figure but didn't include a number of other expected savings, which would have made the estimates higher. Thus, says Cutler, the estimate remains conservative even if the $77 billion figure is artificially high.

When Will IT Happen?


Hillestad says steps could be taken by the government to speed up that 15-year adoption period, but he also says he's "not real confident" there will be 90 percent adoption by 2019. "It could take a lot longer if there’s not something in the health care system that gets beyond the disincentives that physicians have for adopting these systems," Hillestad told us. "Basically, they have to buy the system and yet many of the benefits go to the insurers or the payers of public health care insurance."

Dr. Rainu Kaushal, a professor of public health at the Weill Medical College of Cornell University
, agreed that the right policies could make 90 percent adoption achievable, but that success wouldn't come quickly. "I think it's pie in the sky for the next five years," she told FactCheck.org. "I think we're looking more in the eight to 10 [year] range, but I think it's achievable."

Near universal adoption of electronic health records by 2014 was a goal set by President Bush, but it's one that Catherine Desroches calls "unlikely." Desroches, an instructor at the Harvard Medical School and a researcher at the Institute for Health Policy at Massachusetts General Hospital, was part of a team that conducted a survey on the adoption of health IT that will run in the New England Journal of Medicine this week. She also doesn't believe the U.S. will see 90 percent adoption, or even 75 percent, in the next four years. "It could be anywhere from tens of billions to hundreds of billions of dollars to really have a fully interoperable national system," she told us. "And whether any administration is going to have the financial resources to pull something like that off is really an open question, I think."

Cutler, the Obama adviser, was more confident that Obama's plan could generate its full projected savings within a two-term presidency, but he also acknowledged that the system won't be seeing significant savings right out of the gate. "It's kind of a full system transformation," he told us, and "it takes a while to get anything transformed." The Obama plan phases in health information technology over five years, after which the full savings potential could still be years away.

godzgirl21 Oct. 6, 2008 at 7:55 AM

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Show Me the Savings


If health information technology can save so much money, why don't more people use it? There are a number of reasons, one of which is the financial disincentive that Hillestad mentions. In 2006, only 12 percent of physicians and 11 percent of hospitals had electronic records systems, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Estimates vary, however, and RAND used a higher level of adoption as of 2004
– 15 percent to 20 percent for doctors and 20 percent to 25 percent for hospitals. Both organizations laid out similar benefits and barriers to the use of paperless records.

Electronic health records can lead to fewer medical errors or bad drug interactions or duplicate tests. The systems could also allow doctors and hospitals to transfer or share patient records, shorten hospital stays, increase prevention efforts that lead to better health, and make getting a prescription filled as easy as hitting the send key. But all of that mostly reduces costs for the insurance companies paying the bills and, to some degree, uninsured patients who are footing the cost of their health care.

Individual physicians' offices and hospitals are the ones that have to pay to implement the systems. But, particularly at small practices, the only financial benefits they'll see are lower costs for maintaining records and transcribing data. And even health insurance companies, which stand to benefit the most, don't have incentive to push for faster adoption, because the savings benefit would go to competing insurance providers as well.


"It's really expensive to buy these systems, particularly for small, one and two doc practices," which are half of all physician practices, says Desroches. And the various records systems CBO says there are 40 different vendors can't communicate with each other. Desroches says doctors tell her that they're not implementing electronic records because of the cost, the limited value in terms of interoperability and the slow down in efficiency they'll face as they change the way their practices operate.

Carrots and Sticks


Hillestad says the government could speed up adoption by offering incentive money to physicians, requiring doctors to report measures of quality of care (which is easier to do with electronic records) or providing subsidies, particularly to physicians with a high proportion of disadvantaged patients – physicians who are less likely to buy electronic records systems. Desroches, too, says the government could "offer significant financial incentives combined with sticks," such as requiring electronic records for those getting Medicare payments.

Obama has proposed spending $10 billion a year over five years and phasing in requirements for adoption. Hillestad didn't want to comment on how that might affect the percentage of health care providers with electronic records. Both the RAND study and CBO agree, however, that adoption would be a lot faster if the government played a larger role.

There have been some efforts on the federal level: Bush set up a National Coordinator for Health Information Technology to set standards for such systems; Congress modified laws to prevent kickbacks so hospitals could give a system to outpatient providers at a heavy discount; Medicare gives additional money to physicians who submit performance data electronically. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services gave out $98 million in state grants, much of it for electronic records or e-prescribing systems, and in the future the agency will give bonuses to small practices that have electronic records.

Obama's health plan says he'll "commit the necessary federal resources" to make health IT happen. But Kaushal, who is also
the director of a group of independent evaluators who are assessing health IT improvement efforts in New York state, thinks that sticks and carrots alone will not be enough, and that the entire system will need to be overhauled to make information technology an integral part of daily operations. "It's not sufficient to take existing physician workflow and make it electronic, not sufficient to just go from paper to a computer," Kaushal told FactCheck.org. "What we want is to really wire the system; we want doctors and office practices and nursing homes and pharmacies to all be communicating. Adoption of health information technology becomes a byproduct of the requirement to wire the system." This will require guidance and vision, Kaushal says, not just incentives and disincentives. Realizing the kinds of savings that Obama cites will take much more than federal resources. It also requires a big-picture approach, and a lot of time.

Money in Whose Pocket?


Obama says his plan will "lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year," partly through the use of electronic records. But experts say large savings from health IT are unlikely to flow to consumers.

Desroches points out that the average voter may never see the savings that the RAND study postulates. "Definitely insurance companies and federal and state payers would see savings," Desroches says. "I’m not sure individuals will see savings, [except] in the unlikely event that payers realize these savings and pass them on in the form of lower premiums."

The Obama campaign is counting on that unlikely event. Obama health adviser Cutler confirmed that the campaign's $2,500 per family projection doesn't represent only out-of-pocket savings for individual Americans. It includes savings to the government, employers and insurers, savings that could, Cutler says, trickle down to families in the form of lower taxes, higher wages or reduced premiums. In fact, Cutler says the $2,500 figure simply comes from dividing an overall savings estimate that's somewhat larger than $120 billion by an approximate number of four-person families in the U.S. "[W]e take the total and divide by the total population, then consider a 4 person family," he explained in an e-mail to FactCheck.org.

That's a bit of misleading math. It assumes individual Americans will share in all of the savings for the health care system,
which includes insurance companies, the government and health care providers. Obama claims families will save $2,500 under his plan, but they won't see at least some of those savings directly in the form of lower premiums. And they may not see them indirectly either.

Questioning RAND

Even if Obama can beat the odds and implement widespread health IT in less than four years, it's unclear whether savings can reach $77 billion a year, as RAND said. Some have found RAND's figures to be optimistic. "There's definitely been a lot of rumbling about the RAND study," says Desroches, who adds she's skeptical of the dollar amounts. "I'm not sure we're going to see enormous savings."

In late May, the Congressional Budget Office published a report that was highly critical of the RAND study. It cited three main points:

  • First, it says, RAND measures the potential impact of health information technology, rather than the likely impact. The RAND study looked at what would happen if 90 percent of doctors and hospitals had adopted health IT and implemented and used it perfectly. CBO points out that there are many factors impeding widespread adoption and limiting efficient use. These have to be figured into any truly realistic calculation of costs and savings.

  • Second, CBO points out that RAND based its conclusions only on studies that found positive effects of health information technology, throwing out data that showed negative effects. The study acknowledges that “we chose to interpret reported evidence of negative or no effect of HIT as likely being attributable to ineffective or not-yet-effective implementation.” Hillestad told FactCheck.org that the researchers assumed electronic records systems that had led to increased errors would be fixed or wouldn't be adopted by other health care providers.

  • Finally, CBO says, the RAND researchers were estimating the savings based on the actual level of adoption in 2004, not the possible level of adoption even without any changes in policy in the years covered by the study. That means RAND was using an inaccurate baseline, one that doesn't account for the doctors and hospitals that would have implemented health IT systems from year to year.

None of these points are huge “gotchas.” The RAND authors are up front about the fact that they are examining potential impact of HIT, that they are discounting studies that found negligible or negative effects from HIT, and that their calculations are based on 2004 adoption levels. Kaushal told us that in her opinion, the CBO and RAND studies were trying to answer different questions: CBO wanted to look at likely outcomes, and RAND wanted to look at potential savings. But CBO is of the opinion that RAND's projections are overly rosy.

Obama’s advisers disagree, calling the RAND estimate “conservative.” Hillestad also told FactCheck that “we felt our numbers were relatively conservative,” adding that RAND had left out some factors that could have resulted in even higher savings estimates. Kaushal agreed, with a caveat: "I personally don't think that the RAND numbers are going to be found to be completely off. I don't think they'll be off by an order of magnitude. But it depends on the way things are being implemented." Because RAND predicts potential savings
in an ideal situation, there's a lot of room for its estimates, and those of the Obama campaign, to be wrong.

– by Jess Henig and Lori Robertson

Sources
U.S. Congressional Budget Office. "Evidence on the Costs and Benefits of Health Information Technology," May 2008.

Hillestad, Richard, et al. "Can Electronic Medical Record Systems Transform Health Care? Potential Health Benefits, Savings, and Costs." Health Affairs, Sept./Oct. 2005.

Blumenthal, David and David Cutler and Jeffrey Liebman. "Final Costs Memo," 29 May 2007.

"Barack Obama’s Plan for a Healthy America." BarackObama.com, accessed 16 June 2008.

Interview with Catherine Desroches, instructor at the Harvard Medical School and a researcher at the Institute for Health Policy at Massachusetts General Hospital, 4 June 2008.

Interview with Richard Hillestad, senior principal researcher, RAND, 9 June 2008.

Interview with Rainu Kaushal, professor, Weill Medical College, 12 June 2008.

Interviews with David Cutler, Dean for the Social Sciences, Harvard University, 5 June and 12 June 2008.

Barack, Obama. Town hall meeting in Bristol, Va. Transcript, BarackObama.com, 5 June 2008. 16 June 2008.

godzgirl21 Oct. 6, 2008 at 7:55 AM

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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/out_of_context_on_health_care.html

Out of Context on Health Care
Obama ad twists McCain's words on health care "deregulation."
Summary
An Obama-Biden ad falsely claims McCain says he wants to "do the same to our health care" that "Wall Street deregulation" has done to the banking industry.

The ad relies on a single phrase from a journal article under McCain's byline, in which he said he would reduce regulation of health insurance "as we have done over the last decade in banking." But the full context reveals that McCain was referring narrowly to
his proposal to allow people to purchase health insurance across state lines.
Analysis
The Obama-Biden campaign released the ad Sept. 22 and said it will air on national cable TV networks. It claims that McCain said he would "reduce oversight of the health insurance industry ... just 'as we have done over the last decade in banking.' " But the ad takes the comments out of context, failing to explain what exactly McCain meant by the comparison to banking. He was talking specifically about allowing the sale and purchase of health insurance plans across state lines.

McCain's words come from an article under his byline in the September/October issue of "Contingencies," a journal of the American Academy of Actuaries. Here's what the McCain article actually said, in full context:
McCain: I would also allow individuals to choose to purchase health insurance across state lines, when they can find more affordable and attractive products elsewhere that they prefer. Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation. Consumer-friendly insurance policies will be more available and affordable when there is greater competition among insurers on a level playing field. You should be able to buy your insurance from any willing provider—the state bureaucracies are no better than national ones. Nationwide insurance markets that ensure broad and vigorous competition will wring out excess costs, overhead, and bloated executive compensation.
Note that McCain began by speaking of buying insurance "across state lines." His comparison with banking regulation was limited to "opening up the insurance market" to "nationwide" competition to "provide more choices" to consumers.

McCain has in fact touted this aspect of his health care plan for months. His Web page on health care prominently says:
McCain health care plan: An important part of his plan is to use competition to improve the quality of health insurance with greater variety to match people's needs, lower prices, and portability. Families should be able to purchase health insurance nationwide, across state lines.
Obama used this misleading accusation on the campaign trail over the weekend. In Daytona Beach, Florida, on Sept. 20, Obama said: "So let me get this straight – he wants to run health care like they've been running Wall Street."

The analogy to banking in the article was poorly timed, given recent financial events, though it's likely it was written well before Wall Street's crisis reached its climax last week.
McCain senior adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin complained to reporters that Obama misunderstood what McCain meant: "If Barack Obama thinks that today's financial troubles were caused by policies which allowed Americans to use an ATM anywhere in this country, then it is better that he continue to be silent about solutions to the crisis on Wall Street," he said. Holtz-Eakin told the Wall Street Journal that the article was talking about provisions that allowed for banking across state lines, which were approved in 1995 – not "over the last decade," as the article said.

Obama adviser Jason Furman said that it seemed to him that McCain was referencing 2004 rules that, the Journal reported, "pre-empted state banking regulations and that, [Furman] argues, helped bring on the current financial meltdown." McCain did not cite specific legislation. But it is clear he was comparing such regulations to his proposal to allow the sale of health insurance across state lines.

We’d also note that this was not "an article praising Wall Street deregulation," as the ad says. Wall Street itself is never mentioned, and the only reference to banking or the financial industry is that one line about regulation over the past decade.

This ad reminds us of another by the Democratic National Committee that took McCain's comments out of context. That ad charged that McCain wanted to stay in Iraq for 100 years, but his full remarks showed that he was talking about a peaceful presence in the country, much like U.S. troops' presence in Japan or South Korea, two examples McCain used in his remarks. McCain said staying in Iraq for a hundred years "would be fine with me, as long as Americans, as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed." The DNC left that part of the quote out of the ad.

An Accurate Quote

The Obama-Biden ad ends by calling McCain's plan "a prescription for disaster," as those words, credited to the Boston Globe, flash on screen. Unlike the first quote cited in the ad, this one is accurate. It comes from a Sept. 21 Globe editorial that compared McCain's and Obama's health care plan, raising objections to McCain's. Here's the quote in context:
Globe editorial (Sept. 21): There is no comparable lab test, however, for the radical revision of healthcare that McCain is proposing. For all of his moderate positions on immigration and climate change, on healthcare he has endorsed a right-wing ideologue's vision: destroy employer-based coverage and turn Americans over to the tender mercies of private nongroup insurers in an unregulated environment. It's a prescription for disaster.
Obama and Biden may share that assessment of McCain's plan, as their ad says. But the ad's main criticism rests on distorting McCain's words rather than evaluating an actual component of his health care proposal.

– by Lori Robertson and Brooks Jackson
Sources
McCain, John. "Better Care for Lower Cost for Every American." Contingencies, Sept./Oct. 2008.

Editorial. "World apart on healthcare." Boston Globe, 21 Sept. 2008.

Meckler, Laura and Nick Timiraos. "Crisis Draws Attention to McCain Social Security Plan," 22 Sept. 2008.

Balz, Dan. "McCain Health-Care Article Fuels New Clash Over Economy." Washington Post, 21 Sept. 2008.

godzgirl21 Oct. 6, 2008 at 8:01 AM

mamadita

thanks

mamadita Oct. 6, 2008 at 8:09 AM

realt...

Shine the light on the cockroaches, GG.

realtorshelly Oct. 6, 2008 at 9:24 AM

Shari82

Shine the light on the cockroaches

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Shari82 Oct. 6, 2008 at 9:27 AM

cbtkw95

Voted popular, thank you for this FACT filled post.

cbtkw95 Oct. 6, 2008 at 9:28 AM

godzg...

I'm just trying to get the facts out there so people know the truth, everyone has the right to know the facts!

godzgirl21 Oct. 6, 2008 at 9:30 AM

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