There should be a Jewish State in North Africa

[teacher-mom]

I read this article and it makes a great point Actually, a  few great points, among them:

• There are 22 Arab states and they want to take over the little Jewish one.

• There is no Palestinian People.  This term was created for the express purpose of convincing the world to back them in their fight against the Israelis.

• The Arabs acquired those states by conqureing them and forcibly converting the residents to Islam.

• The Romans named the land Palestine to punish the Jews for revolting.  They chose this name because the Philistines were a long time enemy of the Jews. But the Philistines were not a semetic people and were in no way connected to the "Palestinians" who lived there in the 19th century.

• UNWRA changed the definition of the term "refugees" to mean people who had lived there for 2 years before the State of Israel was founded. The "old" definition was "Persons who are normally and traditionally resident" and that would not have applied to the Arabs in Israel at the time.

A Jewish State in North Africa

by Gerald A. Honigman

"Palestinians" and "Kosovars", but no "Atlasians"?

What would you do if your national group already had almost two dozen states on over six million square miles of territory, wanted one more, but another people's sole, tiny, resurrected state stood in the way?

Please look at the answer through the oft-quoted words of PLO executive member Zuheir Mohsen, on March 31,1977, in the Dutch newspaper Trouw:

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese.... Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism....

Before having to deal with sensitivities of at least some in the West, Arabs simply gave no thought to Mohsen's tactics.

Native peoples were simply conquered and forcibly Arabized in the name of the Arab Nation and the spread of its Dar ul-Islam - imperialism and colonialism, pure and simple. Millions of native Egyptian Copts, Black Africans, Kurds, Imazighen (Berbers), Jews and others still suffer the consequences of this murderous subjugation.

In a post-Holocaust age, however, in the struggle to win over hearts and minds, how could Arabs demand twenty-two states while denying Jews one?

The answer, as Mohsen stated above - reinvent yourselves.

From now on, you're "Palestinians." Then depend on the ignorance of most of the world to back your claim, "If Jews have a state, why not Palestinians?" And don't you know, "Palestinians" are the new formerly stateless Jews.

Forget the facts. Like the fact that most Arabs never saw the land of the Jews - Judaea - until their own imperial conquests brought them out of the Arabian Peninsula in the 7th century CE, when they spread out in all directions.

Or the fact that the very name "Palestine" was dubbed over Judaea by Emperor Hadrian after the Jews' second revolt for freedom. To pour salt into their wound, he renamed the Jews' land after their historic enemies, the Philistines, a non-Semitic sea people (i.e., not Arab) from the area around Crete. Tacitus, Dio Cassius and other Roman historians wrote about Judaea and Judaeans, not about "Palestine" or "Palestinians." Check out a favorite, telling quote in Vol. II, Book V, The Works of Tacitus:

Vespasian... succeeded to the command... inflamed his resentment that the Jews were the only nation that had not yet submitted.... Titus, appointed by his father to complete the subjugation of Judaea... commanded three legions in Judaea itself.... To these he added the twelfth from Syria and third and twenty-second from Alexandria.... [Amongst] his allies were bands of Arabs, formidable and harboring towards Jews the bitter animosity usually subsisting between neighboring nations.

Or the fact that so many Arabs were newcomers to the Mandate of Palestine after the breakup of the Ottoman Turkish Empire, which had controlled the land for over four centuries. When UNRWA was set up to assist Arab refugees (after a half-dozen Arab states invaded a nascent Israel in 1948 and their attempt backfired), the very word "refugee" had to be redefined from its prior meaning of "persons normally and traditionally resident" to those who lived in the Mandate for a minimum of only two years prior to 1948. Hamas' own patron saint, for whom its terror brigade and rockets are named for, Sheikh Izzadin al-Qassam, was from Latakia, Syria.

And so forth.

Using this same tactic, Serbs have been similarly shafted.

Albania is an independent nation southwest of the former Yugoslavia. Serbs fought their first major battle for Kosovo against the spread of the Dar ul-Islam (this time led by Turkish imperialism) in 1389. Albania became at least nominally converted to Islam via the Ottoman conquest. Over the centuries, ethnic Albanians encroached upon traditionally Serbian lands.

In the late 20th century, everyone knew that, with the death of Tito, the artificially glued together state of Yugoslavia would fall apart. If you're an Albanian in Serbia and you already have one ethnic Albanian state in existence (so you can't claim "statelessness"), how do you stake your claim for additional territory at another people's (the Serbs) expense?

Follow Zuheir Mohsen's advice. Rename yourselves Kosovars and then get assorted jihadis from the rest of the Arab and Muslim worlds to assist you - along with NATO. Too much of the conflict over the breakup of Yugoslavia was deliberately biased against the Serbs. Atrocities occurred (as they had for centuries), but on both sides, with Serbs often the victims - victims the American State Department ignored as it sought Muslims it could point to as championing while America was fighting others elsewhere. American bombers led the final dismemberment.

Hitler played a somewhat similar game with the large population of ethnic Germans in Czechoslovakia's Sudetenland. World War II soon followed, as his sights were set far beyond the Czechs' and Slovaks' domain.

There's a lesson here for Jews, Kurds, Imazighen and others. Instead of demanding just the rebirth of their one state, Jews need to demand others as well.

For example, Jews have a long history in Morocco - centuries before Arabs invaded. Over 600,000 Moroccan Jews now live in Israel, part of the other side of the Middle East refugee problem few ever talk about. That's more Moroccan Jews than there were Arabs who got their own nation states in Kuwait, Abu Dhabi, etc. Additionally, many more Moroccan Jews live in America, France and elsewhere today, including Morocco.

Why multiple states for Arabs and not for Jews?

As early as Roman times, Judaeans fleeing the Roman wars began to travel inland in North Africa and forged ties with the Imazighen, especially in the Atlas Mountains. Across the Atlas Mountains, Queen Dahlia al Kahina (whom the famed Muslim scholar, Ibn Khaldun, called "the Jewess") led both Jews and Imazighen in battle against invading Arabs, who would later massacre and subjugate both peoples.

Why not states for the Atlasians - at least one for Jews and one for the Imazighen - in North Africa?

Why "Palestinians" and "Kosovars", but not "Atlasians"?

While we're at it, some thirty-five million stateless Kurds need to jump aboard as well. Kurds predate Arabs in both "Arab" Syria and Iraq, and in "Turkish" Turkey. But we all know what happens when Kurds try to assert their rights there. Their best hope right now is in the place where they were indeed promised independence after World War I - in northern Mesopotamia, part of today's Iraq. If Kurds played the Arab game, trading "Arab" for "Palestinian," then how many Kurdish states might they be entitled to?

While I don't really expect that much of the above will happen, it's worth asking those academics, State Department folks and other hypocritical practitioners of the double standard: Why not?

The reality, of course, is that all of these peoples are still struggling to maintain or obtain basic political and human rights in what Arabs call "purely Arab patrimony." That others buy into their subjugating mindset is the real travesty.

[Gypsyuma]

Feb. 17, 2009 at 2:38 PM

LMAO!!!

Not again, we saw this nonsense already from you guys.

[Gypsyuma]

Feb. 17, 2009 at 3:02 PM

But for arguments sake, let's pretend your idea to completely relocate all the Palestinians was actually sane and logical....

Wouldn't change the fact that every country in the vicinity of Israel hates them and what the Zionists stand for.  Israel would still have to bomb all its neighbors into submission.  Nothing would change.

You want a solution, relocate all the Israelis to this country, where our government seems to love them.  We could even clear out one of our states for them.  Let's see, which one?  Hmmmmm, which state do you live in?

[teacher-mom]

Feb. 17, 2009 at 3:44 PM

!st, I don't belong to a " You guys".   I had never read this and I liked it enough to post it. I'm sorry if you have seen it before and are bored by it's logic.

2nd, The article does not suggest that we relocate anybody.  It is part serious part satire and is written to make people THINK.  As he says so clearly "while I don't really expect that much of the above will happen, it's worth asking those academics, State Department folks and other hypocritical practitioners of the double standard: Why not?" 

For arguments sake, lets pretend that the article did suggest that and that your response actually had something to do with my journal:

You're right, it wouldn't change the fact that they all hate Israel because their hatred for Israel has nothing to do with the palestinians or with land.It started way before either of those became issues.

Israel has  peace treaties with the neighbors who want peace and they protect themselves against the neighbors who refuse to acknowledge them and refuse to have peace. I don't think that would change.

 Do you believe in relocating populations or don't you? What about people who bought land, developed it, built houses, raised families...? What about people who were born there and have never lived anywhere else?  What about 1000s of refugees from Arab lands who were forced to leave their homes in Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt...?.  These people would have to apply for US citizenship, show that they won't be a burden... Then they could move here.

You are not the first to suggest getting all the Jews out of our land.  It was tried many times and we always came back. In the last 3000 years, there have almost always been Jewish communities in the Land of Israel. (we missed a total of 320 years when the jews were exiled to various places after the destruction of the 2 temples in Jerusalem.)  

I live in Virginia, where America started.

(Original Poster)

[blondekosmic15]

Feb. 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM

You just don't get it do you Gypsy....by your very own words the surrounding Nations hate the tiny Nation of Israel. Ever heard of Lucifer & his demons...guess not or you would be fully aware this is a battle between the Christian God of Abraham * Isaac * Jacob & satan himself! Palestine * Syria * Iran * Irag prior to the March 19, 2003 War & the many Arab Nations hate Israel due to satan's hatred & revenge toward the 1 TRUE GOD! We are living in biblical times Gypsy * the final battle between " good n evil " the Apocalypse!

 

But for arguments sake, let's pretend your idea to completely relocate all the Palestinians was actually sane and logical....logical & factual is that God has sent His most powerful Archangel Michael to surround Israel w/ this Angel's majestic strength & a multitude of Angels to accomplish Our Lord's bidding @ any moment in time~~~~Daniel 12:1 And @ that time Michael shall stand up, the great Prince which standeth for the children of THY PEOPLE ISREAL etc......

Wouldn't change the fact that every country in the vicinity of Israel hates them and what the Zionists stand for.  Israel would still have to bomb all its neighbors into submission.  Nothing would change. Believe me the God of Israel is in complete control * your comment that Israel would have to bomb the surrounding Nations & nothin' would change IS LUDICROUS. By your reasoning, man IS in control which IS so far from reality & the truth. The Ahmadinejads * the bin Ladens * al-Zawahiris * Hamas * Hezbollahs of this world only possess a certain amount of power instigated by satan which God will permit w/ a limited free rein! So your assessment that the terrorist Nations have complete power & resolve concerning Israel is a concept of human intelligence....not God's wisdom & power to unfold the world events all around us according to His will....not yours~

You want a solution, relocate all the Israelis to this country, where our government seems to love them.  We could even clear out one of our states for them.  Let's see, which one?  Hmmmmm, which state do you live in? This is hilarious & ignorant all rolled into one. Again Gypsy, you & your pro-Palestinian friends DO NOT govern the order of the world. Your statement reaps of stupidity & selfishness. Israel will keep her land...this is Scriptural & certainly not up to you & those who think they run the show!!!!!

[livingangle]

Feb. 17, 2009 at 6:28 PM

hey gypooo move one and get a life. Don't you have kids?

[godzgirl21]

Feb. 17, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Great post Teacher, thank you for posting this article! Gypsy should change her name to spamsRus, watch out Teacher or she might spam your journal too. Not trying to start anything, just a heads-up.

[teacher-mom]

Feb. 17, 2009 at 8:57 PM

Thanks all for your support, this article really made me think, it's been on my mind all day.

Please try to be polite.  It's easy to forget when we are online but we shouldn't post anything that we wouldn't say to the person's face.  And if you do say those kind of things to people...yikes. LOL

(Original Poster)

[Gramy6]

Feb. 17, 2009 at 11:50 PM

Good post teacher

[Gypsyuma]

Feb. 18, 2009 at 1:07 AM

First off, teacher, I never suggested relocating anyone, I was merely trying to show you how ignorant the whole idea is.  I am actually for a one-state solution, if you care.  But then why would you.  Who am I but a lowly Muslim, right?  I don't think ANYONE should leave.  And that EVERYONE should have the same rights and freedom.  Wow, how evil......ooooohh.

[Gypsyuma]

Feb. 18, 2009 at 1:09 AM

We are living in biblical times Gypsy * the final battle between " good n evil " the Apocalypse!

Maybe you are Blondey, I'm not.  I live in a little place we like to call reality.  It's nice here, you should come visit once in a while.