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We're not a Christian nation
- Apr 6, 2009 at 7:00 PM
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Obama: 'We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation..' Who is 'we'? Is he speaking to Turkey on MY behalf? Is this man, masquerading as MY president, ignorant of our history, a history he claims to be part of? Apparently so!
A history sampler:
THE MAYFLOWER COMPACT In the name of God, Amen. We whose names are under-written, the loyal subjects of our dread sovereign Lord, King James, by the grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland King, Defender of the Faith, etc. Having undertaken, for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian faith, and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one of another, covenant and combine our selves together into a civil body politic, for our better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the Colony, unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In witness whereof we have hereunder subscribed our names at Cape Cod, the eleventh of November [New Style, November 21], in the year of the reign of our sovereign lord, King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Dom. 1620.
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I seriously doubt that Mr. Obama has ever read the documents upon which this nation was founded. I, too, am appalled, but what are we to do about it?
Yeah, well, we used to have slaves and considered wives property too, didn't we? Right now, this is NOT a Christian nation. There is a clear (or supposed to be) separation of state and church. The US is a hodgepodge of every religion (or non-religion) possible.
So no, we're not a Christian nation, he was correct. YOU can be a Christian, but that doesn't mean everybody else is, too.
The primary leaders of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists. Deism was a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution. Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws. The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it. They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man. A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion. Deists did not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible.
At the constitutional convention, Luther Martin a Maryland representative urged the inclusion of some kind of recognition of Christianity in the constitution on the grounds that "it would be at least decent to hold out some distinction between the professors of Christianity and downright infidelity or paganism." How ever, the delegates to the convention rejected this proposal and drafted the constitution as a secular document. God was nowhere mentioned in it.
The document that was finally approved at the constitutional convention mentioned religion only once, and that was in Article VI, Section 3, which stated that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." Now if the delegates at the convention had truly intended to establish a "Christian nation," why would they have put a statement like this in the constitution and nowhere else even refer to religion? Common sense is enough to convince any reasonable person that if the intention of these men had really been the formation of a "Christian nation," the constitution they wrote would have surely made several references to God, the Bible, Jesus, and other accouterments of the Christian religion, and rather than expressly forbidding ANY religious test as a condition for holding public office in the new nation, it would have stipulated that allegiance to Christianity was a requirement for public office.
What's WRONG with us not being a Christian nation?
YES, we were founded a Christian nation... Perhaps it would have been better if the president said he and his administration and almost the whole of congress, are NOT Christians. Matter of fact, Obama, his administration, and agenda are a perversion of the vision our Founding Fathers had for the people of this nation.
You are correct that we are currently a nation of many faiths but that does not, nor will it ever, change the fact this country WAS founded upon Christianity. The Christians of this country would and do stand up for the rights of ANYONE to worship as they see fit but we are not doormats to be stepped on -- PERIOD.
It's time you educated yourself.
Uh....actually President Obama IS a Christian.
What was that about educating yourself again?
I am a Christian. The god Obama serves is not the God of the bible I read. My discerning ears decline to agree. You can tell who is and isn't by their fruit.
I can hear it now, "you're not suppose to judge!" I haven't, I've made a simple observation of the things he has done and said that are contrary to the teachings of God's word. I haven't judged him to hell, I'm just saying I don't recognize the brand of Christianity he has subscribed himself to over the many years.
Did you even READ my comment? Do some research on the History of this country and the Founding Fathers pronto. Educate yourself on the TRUTH instead of passing off your opinions as fact.
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