http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article2761868.ece

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MomOf...
Nov. 4, 2007 at 8:32 AM I don't want to get into the debate again, but I am TOTALLY anti-circumcision (except for medical reasons).

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lillpop
Nov. 4, 2007 at 8:34 AM

 Circumsiscion is a very personal issue, their ARE hygienic benefits to doing it, any doctor will tell you that, my husband is, and does not feel like he was MAULED or DISFIGURED in any way, he gets great sensation, and it's not a problem.

 The way I see it is, if you want to do, if you don't then you shouldn't.

 PERIOD  Thats why they call it America, because we are free to make our own choice

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Savienu
Nov. 4, 2007 at 8:37 AM You're right lilpop, it's a very personal issue. A personal issue for the owner of the penis. And no, any doctor will NOT tell you there are hygienic purposes for it, unless they are American and circumcised!!

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lillpop
Nov. 4, 2007 at 8:43 AM

  What IF , JUST what IF, YOUR son grows up and looks at you, sees a lot of others ARE circumsised and then decides HE wants to do it?

 Then IT becomes a major surgery, soooooo my point is is that as their parents, it is OUR responsibily to do what WE think is RIGHT for OUR child, thats why YOU didn't do it and I did.

 I doubt my son will ever hate me for doing it, I have not nmet ONE man yet that said, "well, my parents mauled me, etc"

 What my point is is that WHY do YOU and others like you, feel the NEED to have others believe like YOU??
 The bottom line is is that I MADE the descision FOR my son that I think is best for him.

 WHY? Because he couldn't speak, or understand, and so it's my responsibilty to do what I think is best for him in this situation, and I am sure you did what you thought was best for yours, so guess what??

 Unless and until you pay my bills, or unless or until I pay yours.

 There is no debate, you did  what you want, and I did what I want.

 simple as that .  How does MY son being circumsised AFFECT your life ??

 The answer is , it doesn't

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Savienu
Nov. 4, 2007 at 8:50 AM

No, but your son being circumcised affects HIS life, permenantly. And if you would like to talk to men unhappy with being circumcised, may I direct you to http://www.norm.org/ National Organization for Restoring Men. My husband would also LOVE to talk to you about how he feels knowing now about what he lost. Call me crazy for caring if children's genitals are mutilated without their consent. I care about the girls who are circumcised in Egypt and Africa, too, but at least American sees that as mutilation.

Do you not see from this article how we look to the rest of the world? This article is from the UK, these are men who feel horrible that these men don't know any better because they were circumcised at birth. It started to PREVENT MASTURBATION, not for cleanliness reasons. 85% of the world is intact, do you see them all begging to be circumcised? No, of course not! IF my son decides he wants LESS penis when he's older, he can consent to cosmetic surgery. Same as if my daughter decides she wants breast implants, she can consent when she is 18. If your son decides he wants his foreskin back, the most he can hope for is a facsimile with the remaining shaft skin, and it will take YEARS. All for a surgery that took 5 minutes, with no pain relief, on an innocent baby. So yeah, ask me again why I care that our baby boys are being chopped up for no reason.  

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lillpop
Nov. 4, 2007 at 9:01 AM

 And their are ALSO men that are angry that they  weren't circumsised!

 They are in hospitals every day as grown men, getting it removed.

 Now as I stated before, you can really argue both sides, and THAT is why it is a  PERSONAL descision,

 and IF my son ever has a problem with it, well then I guess I would have to live and deal with that, the same way you will if your son grows up and asks YOU WHY you didn't and why he doesnt look like a lot of other boys( Not that I agree that thats the reason to do it , because it is not )

 but when he starts seeing that a lot of other boys are ,

 MAYBE just MAYBE he will ask YOU WHY you didnt.

 Sooo  again I say, both our intentions are good as mothers, however my Italian Poppy used to tell me,

 Never spit in the air, cause it will come back in your face.

 In other words, you or I don't know and won't know for a while whether or nopt our sons will be happy with our choice for them, howver that was the choice I made and  stand by it

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Donna...
Nov. 4, 2007 at 9:47 AM

My husband is and no he doesn't feel mauled or mutilated, but I had my son done, and he does, because to an extent, he was. I'll be the first to say we made the decision based solely on that is what is done, no reason, but daddy is, so, and they made it seem standard, so we fell right into the idea that is is supposed to happen.

Now my son will need correction before he is completely matured. Not his choice, but he has to live with it. His body, our choice, now he will endure what he has to if the adult function is affected, which we are still not 100% sure how much.

The way I see it, he could have always had it removed if he grew up and decided he wanted it done, but now he can never have it put back.

Just my opinion based on my experience, nothing more. I am not trying to say I am right, but I would hope that people can see that is is a choice.

I responded my whole story to a entry by the OP, so you can find it there is you are interested.

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Savienu
Nov. 4, 2007 at 10:00 AM Lilpop, circ rates are about 50%, so my son will not be alone with having his whole penis. And I'd really like to know where all these grown men are begging to be circumcised. They don't exist.

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Savienu
Nov. 4, 2007 at 10:03 AM Oh, and I don't feel I made any choice to keep his foreskin on. He was born with his foreskin, it belongs there, and I highly doubt my son will be mad at me for allowing him to keep all the parts he was born with. I made the "choice" not to remove his foot too, is there a possibility he'll be mad at me for that? At least if I removed that it wouldn't affect his sex life.

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Myantek
Nov. 4, 2007 at 10:11 AM

So lillpop, I'm confused.  Is it done because of hygenic reasons (that the APA and other medical associations say don't exist) or is it because a lot of men are circumcised?

You're right, it is up to the parents to do what they feel is best with the information that they have.  However, as parents it's up to us to get as much information as we can before making the decision.  If you chose to have your son circumcised that's your right but you owe to yourself, and to him, to be intellectually honest about the reasons you chose to cut a fully functioning part off his body.  He may never care, he might be perfectly fine with it, but he might not be.  Just the same as my sons may wish I had circumcised them.  I don't worry about the "what if"s too much.  I know I made the best decision that I could.

I know of many women whose opinions about circumcision changed when presented with evidence on a message board.  I was one of them.  I think every boy deserves to make the choice about his own body and articles like the one Savienu posted are excellent in getting mothers to think about the choices they make for their newborns.

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