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"Be in business for yourself, but not by yourself!"--deleted post from "Promote your Biz" group--PLEASE READ!!! Important info
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This started in the "Promote your Biz" group, but all involved in the contraversy were kicked out of the group and the post was deleted. The original post was titled "Be in business for yourself, but not by yourself!"
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You wrote on Feb. 24, 2007 at 11:51 AM
Honey, sorry to burst your pink bubble, or be a "negative nellie" as we are called, but Mary Kay is a serious MLM/Pyramid scheme that has ruined marriages, and left many women/families in debt up to their eyeballs. I know because I was a consultant. I stopped just short of becoming a Director because I realized how unethical the company really is. If you want some real scoop on what goes on behnd the scenes with this company, visit any ot the following sites--By the way, your Director /Recruiter wil advise you against this, but just go with your instinct and click the link. All of these women were devoted to their MK businesses as well--most, like me, put in 7 days a week and nearly 12 hours a day because you have to live and breathe MK in order to make it work. Just check it out, and for your sake I hope you have not made any inventory decisions yet........
www.pinklighthouse.com
www.pinktruth.com
www.thepinkingshears.com
You wrote on Feb. 26, 2007 at 10:35 PM
Just wanted to bump this back up because I want all women to know what a SCAM Mary Kay really is so that they do not make the same mistakes I did--they will lure you in with promises of "easy money", "free cars", and "a few hours a week working from home". NONE of this is true--Mary Kay is on of the most unethical companies in the US for women--the only women making money are the ones on top--and to get to the top you have to step on everyone and everything to get there. It has beacome nearly impossible to make an "executive income" in Mary Kay because contrary to what Directors and Recruiters will tell you--the product SUCKS and does not "sell itself". I was involved with MK long enough to learn the ins and outs and made a decision to get out not a moment too soon!!! If any of you are considering an "opportunity" with MK, please visit one of the following sites and gather some info from real women who don't have a cheesy smile painted on their face with a voice so sweet it's sickening.
www.pinklighthouse.com
www.pinktruth.com
www.thepinkingshears.com
I think you'll find lots of information that will help you make a good decision on whether or not to begin a career pursuit with MK.
by tamayra on Feb. 26, 2007 at 10:59 PM
I am right there with you. I was a DIQ director in qualification and I just stopped because I had to. I had $8,000 of that junk in my basement and I just could not keep getting myself deeper in to debt. I wish I knew about those sites before. I am glad because I have talked 15 people out of selling it, and I am so happy no one tells you about what happens to you once you are in the pink bubble. It took me a long time to get rid of the stuff and I was 13 days late to send it back to the company so I sold it on ebay and took a huge loss. Plus their products are BAD. You really need to think about what you are doing. They will teach you their way and you will be thought of eventually as a Mary Kay stalker their reputation is going down. There are many companies out there get out while you can. We have an ex director that wants to join our company Spa Girl Parties because she is broke and she was with Mary Kay fr 14 years. It is not at all what you see.
I speak to you as someone who has been there and has done other companies that are nothing like that. How can you go to bed with a good conscience after telling someone ok can I wrap that up for you in the roll up bag that will be $400, when you know they can't afford it or want it. I just could not do that and that is what we are told to do. No way I am in business for myself not for them.
You wrote on Feb. 26, 2007 at 11:13 PM
I, too was a DIQ--quit just short of becoming a Director (lacking $1000 production, and one active consultant). My credit card debt was incredible!!! Nearly $12,000!!! My product was returned to the company in December 2006 and I have advised all my team members to do the same. I'm proud to say that I am now a member of an organization who supports and encourages women facing the many emotions of the decision to leave Mary Kay. You shoud join us sometime and get to know these great women!
by marykaymama on Feb. 26, 2007 at 11:58 PM
The only reason why people like you have a problem with Mary Kay the product and the company is because you failed and you failed because you are weak and you are weak because you don't know what you are doing. I don't sell things to people that cant afford things as a matter of fact most of us will work with the customer. I haven't stepped on anyone on my way up. Mary Kay may not have been for you but that is no reason to go and trash it. Everyone in Mary Kay makes profit. You people lose the money that you put into the product because you are to lazy to get out and move the product!!! Yes there are plenty of other companies but you find you end up having to work just as hard.
by Lacy on Feb. 27, 2007 at 12:17 AM
Yeh but why put people at risk of having those "basements full" of products I got out because I wasn't willing to be apart of something that really could hurt people and yes the comp plan has a lot of flaws, like the break away system. I am involved now with a company where those risk are eliminated and so I am no longer afraid of others getting hurt because of what I am asking them to do. I am not wiling to live with the guilt, of hurting people.
Oh and yeh I work as hard but because I dont inventory thousand of dollars of products I actually make money not just spend it on more inventory and I can sleep at night when I know that I didnt do anything that wasn't for someones good.
by marykaymama on Feb. 27, 2007 at 12:50 AM
Like I said earlier Mary Kay isnt for everyone. I know plenty of families that Mary Kay has helped in good ways I dont have thousands of dollars in product on my shelves and I still make profit. Most people cant make an adult decision for themselves that would be why they end up in debt. I'ts not Mary Kay that hurts people or families its the consultant and her miss management and they are not honest with their husbands on what they have spent.....and that could lead up to marital problems. That they can thank themselves for. Weak people always have to blame their failure on someone or something else. I sleep pretty well at night too I have no stress, I also have not hurt anyone lately thats not in my job description
by tamayra on Feb. 27, 2007 at 12:50 AM
I can't believe how you would call us weak when you don't even know who we are. I have been very successful with other companies and I do know how to sell. I was second in sales and first in recruiting in my unit so how dare you say that because we say these things we can't sell. It is a cult. You are required to go to a meeting every week and you are made to feel bad if you don't . You need to wear skirts and nylons for a professional image. I just think it helps the rest of us see you coming and run the other way. We were just trying to help someone before they got in to deep. I know that you think it is all great but someday you will look back and see what you have done and in regards to paying for products you work with your customers yes but they are on a payment plan to get their products. If someone needs to do this then they need to find something they can afford. All I know is my experiences and the experiences of other women I have talked to not one of them has anything nice to say about what happened to them. This shows me there is some sort of flaw. We were just trying to show her what she has to look forward to and let her know what happened to us. And if there are websites about all of this stuff then there are a lot more people out there that think the way that I do. Other companies don't have you compromise your morals and beliefs and if you remember anything about training as a DIQ you will see that all they are after is the sale they could care less where the money come from just as long as you get the sale. You make 50% but at what cost. No thanks I am a lot happier where I am today and I go to bed at night thinking that I have made a difference by helping women build the business of their dreams.
by marykaymama on Feb. 27, 2007 at 1:02 AM
I have not compromised my morales or beliefs and I definitely don't always go to my weekly meetings and my director does not make me feel bad at all. I'm sorry that you had such a bad experience but you are trashing me and plenty of other honest consultant and directors and you are going to get upset for me calling you WEAK???? Oh but wait in your messed up world its ok for you to trash us? That doesn't make sense to me. I don't agree with some of the other businesses out there but I don't run out and trash them or their consultants. You have to trash us to make you feel better about your decisions in your life but that still makes you WEAK!!!!sorry
by spagirlmelanie on Feb. 27, 2007 at 1:09 AM
To marykay mama.........
just an outside opinion, but you seem to be the only one doing the trashing .You are attacking people personally by calling them weak just because they don't share the same ideas as you.
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by lindamgonzalez on Feb. 27, 2007 at 1:23 PM
Quoting lindamgonzalez:okay, maybe not the POST, just all the negative comments. If you're not interested in what the post has to offer, keep on clicking. We are here to promote business. Why isn't there a group called Trash a Biz or something? Then everyone who likes to smother themselves in drama and bs can get together there. Hmmm......just a thought.
wow! i thought coming here would get me away from all the negative drama on myspace......This entire post should be deleted.
by marykaymama on Feb. 27, 2007 at 1:39 PM
Quoting _MeLissa_:
Wow.
I'd be upset too if I was excited about my business and people came in trashing it.
I believe you girls had the best intentions, but you should have approached her privately. Don't trash someone's business publicly where potential customers are. What you were posting about had nothing to do with potential make-up buying customers, but a gripe against the company.
And yes, she was advertising for consultants but honestly, we're all big girls and are responsible to look into companies for ourselves. I appreciate feedback myself, but I think it went overboard on here...
Oh and I know several girls who sell MK, adore it and make decent $ at it...so it does vary by the situation, like any direct sales business.
Again, I think you had good intentions, it just went a little too far.
Thanks for the support. Everyone on here was so against me....Thanks
You wrote on Feb. 27, 2007 at 3:11 PM
Quoting lindamgonzalez:Quoting lindamgonzalez:okay, maybe not the POST, just all the negative comments. If you're not interested in what the post has to offer, keep on clicking. We are here to promote business. Why isn't there a group called Trash a Biz or something? Then everyone who likes to smother themselves in drama and bs can get together there. Hmmm......just a thought.
wow! i thought coming here would get me away from all the negative drama on myspace......This entire post should be deleted.
ooh, now that's an idea.......a group for Business Trashing Drama Loving Women........wouldn't that be fun........ICK!!!
and to those of you who seem to think I've "trashed" this poor girl.......read back throught the posts--my target was not her but, rather the company on a whole. The ones doing the personal trashing here are the Pinkies--Isn't that considered "a negative attitude"? Didn't think proper MK Consultants were allowed to talk that way...........did you say it with a big cheesy grin..........because if so, that might make it okay, but you can check with your Director.
by H8MKAY on Feb. 27, 2007 at 3:57 PM
Quoting marykaymama:
To Tamayra...
Yeah I felt attacked to when you posted on a Mary Kay sisters add nothing but bad things about Mary Kay. I'm possitive that you would feel attacked too if someone had posted something like that on one of your product adds.....
LOL, and I'm 'possitive' that marykaymama is super defensive (and the ONLY one here attacking BTW) about her scam...errr....company because it's the only company she could find that doesn't require one to have any grammar skills whatsoever!!! Come on ladies, let her attack away.. She's just afraid that you are tainting her recruiting pool and will make it harder for her to find victims to help pay for her trailer home out in Lancaster aka KKK land!! If the woman can't even SPELL or form a proper sentence, how do you expect her to recognize any signs of a scam or better yet, that she IS Mary Kay's customer/end user?? Poor thing! *smirk*
by marykaymama on Feb. 27, 2007 at 8:26 PM
Quoting H8MKAY:Quoting marykaymama:
To Tamayra...
Yeah I felt attacked to when you posted on a Mary Kay sisters add nothing but bad things about Mary Kay. I'm possitive that you would feel attacked too if someone had posted something like that on one of your product adds.....LOL, and I'm 'possitive' that marykaymama is super defensive (and the ONLY one here attacking BTW) about her scam...errr....company because it's the only company she could find that doesn't require one to have any grammar skills whatsoever!!! Come on ladies, let her attack away.. She's just afraid that you are tainting her recruiting pool and will make it harder for her to find victims to help pay for her trailer home out in Lancaster aka KKK land!! If the woman can't even SPELL or form a proper sentence, how do you expect her to recognize any signs of a scam or better yet, that she IS Mary Kay's customer/end user?? Poor thing! *smirk*
I'm glad you think like that and bye the way what you said doesn't hurt me one bit when it all comes down to it ignorance never wins and kkk land has absolutely nothing to do with anything because I'm not that way. You also have no idea about my education level. I'm not here to type proper sentences but I'll have you know I have a masters in administration of justice thanks
You wrote on Feb. 27, 2007 at 9:05 PM
Hey H8--is that you? It's Done here............
by JICPoetry on Feb. 27, 2007 at 10:32 PM
Quoting marykaymama:Ok, I'm sorry, I have to do this, I deleted a post like this once but "marykaymama" you're driving me crazy...Quoting H8MKAY:Quoting marykaymama:
To Tamayra...
Yeah I felt attacked to when you posted on a Mary Kay sisters add nothing but bad things about Mary Kay. I'm possitive that you would feel attacked too if someone had posted something like that on one of your product adds.....LOL, and I'm 'possitive' that marykaymama is super defensive (and the ONLY one here attacking BTW) about her scam...errr....company because it's the only company she could find that doesn't require one to have any grammar skills whatsoever!!! Come on ladies, let her attack away.. She's just afraid that you are tainting her recruiting pool and will make it harder for her to find victims to help pay for her trailer home out in Lancaster aka KKK land!! If the woman can't even SPELL or form a proper sentence, how do you expect her to recognize any signs of a scam or better yet, that she IS Mary Kay's customer/end user?? Poor thing! *smirk*
I'm glad you think like that and bye the way what you said doesn't hurt me one bit when it all comes down to it ignorance never wins and kkk land has absolutely nothing to do with anything because I'm not that way. You also have no idea about my education level. I'm not here to type proper sentences but I'll have you know I have a masters in administration of justice thanks
1) the word is spelled AD as in advertisement...NOT ADD or ADDS (those are mathematical steps)
2) BY the way... (please note there is no 'E' in the word by unless you are saying good-bye!!)
3) If you have been in MK so long then you should KNOW that placing an AD anywhere is a DIRECT VIOLATION of your independant beauty consultant contract.
4) As far as your comment about not being here to type proper sentences, what good is your masters in adminstration doing you by selling make-up (with an illegal ad) and mispelling basic words trying to look like no one is bothering you.
5) The DIRECT ATTACK that you assumed was on you was about the company that controls you but you don't work for. If you are so ethical and charmed, why are you so offended?? You know DARN WELL that you KNOW women who have done the very things that have been mentioned here and yet you turn your cheek in the name of $$. So tell me, how are you putting God first in all of this? Nevermind, I'm sure you won't answer because I am just a weak unimportant woman who can't run a business.
Forgive me for interuppting your eloquent speech.
You wrote on Feb. 27, 2007 at 11:03 PM
Oh, Jyp, I couldn't have said it better myself! Although, I'm not as concerned with proper grammar ans spelling, I do agree that most women turn their cheeks to the unethical practices in the name of $$$. I don't think God would want any of us to cheat another for our own gratification.
by skincaregal on Feb. 27, 2007 at 11:32 PM
Quoting ElleB:
Honey, sorry to burst your pink bubble, or be a "negative nellie" as we are called, but Mary Kay is a serious MLM/Pyramid scheme that has ruined marriages, and left many women/families in debt up to their eyeballs. I know because I was a consultant. I stopped just short of becoming a Director because I realized how unethical the company really is. If you want some real scoop on what goes on behnd the scenes with this company, visit any ot the following sites--By the way, your Director /Recruiter wil advise you against this, but just go with your instinct and click the link. All of these women were devoted to their MK businesses as well--most, like me, put in 7 days a week and nearly 12 hours a day because you have to live and breathe MK in order to make it work. Just check it out, and for your sake I hope you have not made any inventory decisions yet........
www.pinklighthouse.com
www.pinktruth.com
www.thepinkingshears.com
You wrote on Feb. 28, 2007 at 7:51 AM
Yes skincaregal..............did you have something to say?
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by H8MKAY on Feb. 28, 2007 at 12:58 PM
Quoting marykaymama:I'm glad you think like that and bye the way what you said doesn't hurt me one bit when it all comes down to it ignorance never wins and kkk land has absolutely nothing to do with anything because I'm not that way. You also have no idea about my education level. I'm not here to type proper sentences but I'll have you know I have a masters in administration of justice thanks
LOL, it's BY the way, not 'bye the way', geesh! Ok, be honest, which online correspondence course did YOU take for that 'masters in administration of justice'?? Believe me, your education level is obvious!
And, we all can see too well that you're not here to type proper sentences. You're here to safeguard your dream of living off of other women by manipulating them to recruit more competition, and order more crap that will go no further than their basements.
Oh, and 'bye the way', it amazes me that you ATTACK and accuse people of 'attacking' YOU just because they don't agree with the unethical scam called Mary Kay! Just a bit...um.....WEIRD!
*smooches to ElleB*
by spagirlmelanie on Feb. 28, 2007 at 2:15 PM
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www.myspagirlparties.com/melaniebrown
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by _MeLissa_ on Feb. 28, 2007 at 2:27 PM
Quoting ElleB:I wholeheartedly agree!! However, they are speaking from their experience and the OP is speaking from hers. She didn't say she was out to rip people off, be unethical, etc. She honestly seems to believe in what she's doing to better herself and to offer that same chance to others.
....I do agree that most women turn their cheeks to the unethical practices in the name of $$$. I don't think God would want any of us to cheat another for our own gratification.
by H8MKAY on Feb. 28, 2007 at 2:50 PM
Quoting _MeLissa_:
She honestly seems to believe in what she's doing to better herself and to offer that same chance to others.
There are so many ways for one to better themselves then having a.........'Here, let me find women to screw and manipulate and then teach them how to screw and manipulate other women the same way so that they, too can learn how to screw and manipulate even more women' type of business. In the end, all you become is a stalker who has chased every friend and family member far away from you and MK's customer. MK cares so much about how much you SELL that they only reward you for what you ORDER. What a great company to work for! NOT!
It's all too sad for one to think they can better themselves by stalking women, fill them with a bunch of hope and lies, pester them to order order order (who cares if you're not selling) then reward them with $2 trinkets while raping them of their valuable family time!
by H8MKAY on Feb. 28, 2007 at 2:53 PM
Quoting _MeLissa_:
She didn't say she was out to rip people off, be unethical, etc.
OK, with all due respect, do you honestly think she or any of them would actually ADMIT to ripping people off and being unethical?? Of course not because in their eyes, they're doing nothing wrong. The pink fog makes them extremely dillusional.
by JICPoetry on Feb. 28, 2007 at 4:28 PM
As I said in another post...
Quote:Bottom line is that in MK as in all businesses there are good and bad people...the facts still remain that the company only awards you for what you BUY not what you SELL. And there is no FREE CAR...you have to BUY a specific amount of inventory and recruit a required number of people who also must BUY a specific amount of inventory in order for YOU to qualify for your FREE car. The amount you are required to BUY in inventory could BUY you a fully loaded Cadillac that you get to KEEP!
Can any of your LEGITIMATE, ETHICAL and HAPPY consultants deny this information or not??
And please don't throw in my face that lots of companies reward you for your work....because legitimate companies require you to meet a SALES quota..NOT a BUY quota (oh wait...MK doesn't have quotas, I forgot!)
You wrote on Feb. 28, 2007 at 6:21 PM
smooches right back atcha H8 and JIC!!! For some reason, I'm starting to get the feeling we are not the minority here.........
by SICKNPINK on Feb. 28, 2007 at 7:19 PM
P.S. Did you know it is ILLEGAL to post a link to your mk web-site? Read your agreement.
You wrote on Feb. 28, 2007 at 7:22 PM
Oh, Sickie........I completely forgot to mention that..........thanks for handling up on the situation! You're always right on top of those things!
by april7 on Mar. 1, 2007 at 3:05 PM
Quoting lindamgonzalez:Amen.... I hope these post are deleted before I introduce any of my girlfreinds to Cafemom. This is my first expierience as being part of a messageboard. Do they all end up this way???
wow! i thought coming here would get me away from all the negative drama on myspace......This entire post should be deleted.
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by Throwinguppink on Mar. 1, 2007 at 5:11 PM
Please don't delete this post or any of the comments!
Don't read it if you don't want to, but please do not make decisions for the rest of us.
by SICKNPINK on Mar. 1, 2007 at 5:37 PM
Why would this post be deleted? This makes no sense.
The person who posted this thread INVITED people in to talk about MK right?
Did she honestly think that EVERYONE was going to pat her on the back and say "SIGN ME UP?"
ThrowingupPink is right....don't take away OUR experiences just because they don't agree with YOURS.
Because those of us who don't agree with a particular subject have just as much right to voice our opinions as others do. Isn't that only fair?
by MommaTodd on Mar. 1, 2007 at 5:57 PM
This is absolutely rediculous.
Some people have been helped out a lot and many other women I know.
Some people it just didn't work for them.
End of story?
by april7 on Mar. 1, 2007 at 6:17 PM
Quoting SICKNPINK:Why would this post be deleted? This makes no sense.
The person who posted this thread INVITED people in to talk about MK right?
Did she honestly think that EVERYONE was going to pat her on the back and say "SIGN ME UP?"
ThrowingupPink is right....don't take away OUR experiences just because they don't agree with YOU
Because those of us who don't agree with a particular subject have just as much right to voice our opinions as others do. Isn't that
only fair?
(I won't EVEN go there.) This subject was taken from MK to trailers and the KKK. End of discussion for me.
You wrote on Mar. 1, 2007 at 6:23 PM
WOW--did I miss something ladies? Trailers and the KKK??? WTH??? Perhaps I'm not as witty as those posting comments such as these, but they make no damn sense!
by april7 on Mar. 1, 2007 at 6:35 PM
Quoting ElleB:It's called reading.
WOW--did I miss something ladies? Trailers and the KKK??? WTH??? Perhaps I'm not as witty as those posting comments such as these, but they make no damn sense!
by H8MKAY on Mar. 1, 2007 at 6:49 PM
Quoting ElleB:
WOW--did I miss something ladies? Trailers and the KKK??? WTH??? Perhaps I'm not as witty as those posting comments such as these, but they make no damn sense!
The trailer and KKK comment was from me to marykaymama as a fecetious example of what 'ATTACKING' someone really looks like. She got exactly what she dished out.
Funny that my comment is mentioned, but her personal attacks, calling everyone here lazy, weak and failures just got completely glossed over. Perhaps April should read from the beginning before adding her two cents! If she did read and that one little comment was the only thing that got to her then MK is just what she needs.
by H8MKAY on Mar. 1, 2007 at 6:50 PM
Quoting april7:Quoting ElleB:It's called reading.
WOW--did I miss something ladies? Trailers and the KKK??? WTH??? Perhaps I'm not as witty as those posting comments such as these, but they make no damn sense!
Yeah, you should try it sometime!
by april7 on Mar. 1, 2007 at 6:52 PM
Quoting H8MKAY:Quoting ElleB:
WOW--did I miss something ladies? Trailers and the KKK??? WTH??? Perhaps I'm not as witty as those posting comments such as these, but they make no damn sense!
The trailer and KKK comment was from me to marykaymama as a fecetious example of what 'ATTACKING' someone really looks like. She got exactly what she dished out.
Funny that my comment is mentioned, but her personal attacks, calling everyone here lazy, weak and failures just got completely glossed over. Perhaps April should read from the beginning before adding her two cents! If she did read and that one little comment was the only thing that got to her then MK is just what she needs.
You just removed all doubt.
by H8MKAY on Mar. 1, 2007 at 6:56 PM
Quoting april7:Quoting H8MKAY:Quoting ElleB:
WOW--did I miss something ladies? Trailers and the KKK??? WTH??? Perhaps I'm not as witty as those posting comments such as these, but they make no damn sense!
The trailer and KKK comment was from me to marykaymama as a fecetious example of what 'ATTACKING' someone really looks like. She got exactly what she dished out.
Funny that my comment is mentioned, but her personal attacks, calling everyone here lazy, weak and failures just got completely glossed over. Perhaps April should read from the beginning before adding her two cents! If she did read and that one little comment was the only thing that got to her then MK is just what she needs.
You just removed all doubt.
and you're still here because..............?????
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by Shelli916 on Mar. 1, 2007 at 7:09 PM
Personally, I don't know anything about Mary Kay, nor do I care too, from what I've heard, but what I don't get is how a person can post a thread and when someone else gives opinions regardless if it is negative or positive they are just opinions get so offensive, I think originally it was supposed be a "heads up" for the person who posted this, you can take it or leave it, but I don't think it should have escalated to this. Thats just my personal opinion. Some people just have to experience for themselves and then see the real deal. But why the personal attacks??
You wrote on Mar. 1, 2007 at 7:45 PM
sheila, in response to why women get so defensive:
for the ones of us that have been through the experience of MK--we do want to give a "heads up" to other women who are considering it as a career choice.
For those who are still involved and calling us lazy and failures, well......they too will see their way throught the pink fog one day, but for now they have been directed, coached, and brainwashed into thinking this is the best opportunity out there for women.
by SICKNPINK on Mar. 1, 2007 at 8:12 PM
Quoting Shelli916:Okay, let me get this straight.....you don't know ANYthing about MK and you don't care to; SO in essence you are commenting on a thread you know nothing about?Personally, I don't know anything about Mary Kay, nor do I care too, from what I've heard, but what I don't get is how a person can post a thread and when someone else gives opinions regardless if it is negative or positive they are just opinions get so offensive, I think originally it was supposed be a "heads up" for the person who posted this, you can take it or leave it, but I don't think it should have escalated to this. Thats just my personal opinion. Some people just have to experience for themselves and then see the real deal. But why the personal attacks??
Gosh, does that mean we should all run around on this board and put our "two cents" in on EVERYthing that we know nothing about.....
And for the record: I TRIED TO SAVE HER MK CAREER -- by letting her know it is ILLEGAL to link her MK web-site from this site. MK HAS AND WILL continue to terminate consultants for such practices.
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In response to someone posting about MK not working for some blah blah blah
As for MK not working for me???? Ummmm, sorry, you are WRONG! I quit this Company at the height of my career (and yes I was good at this biz)...I worked LONG HOURS and worked it the "MK WAY"......
I was considered a SUCCESS in MK because I had "the suit", "had the car status (several times over)", "sold qns ct of sales in product"....
I QUIT because I finally came to my senses and realized that being part of a company that is SO corrupt was not a good idea. PERIOD. So, I left....with Corp calling me asking me to stay. Not many directors get a calls like that from Corp these days!
So throwing out a comment by saying....MK didn't work for you, so what? My answer to that is: HOW DARE YOU SPEAK OF WHICH YOU DO NOT KNOW?
by Shelli916 on Mar. 1, 2007 at 8:54 PM
Quoting Shelli916:Personally, I don't know anything about Mary Kay, nor do I care too, from what I've heard, but what I don't get is how a person can post a thread and when someone else gives opinions regardless if it is negative or positive they are just opinions get so offensive, I think originally it was supposed be a "heads up" for the person who posted this, you can take it or leave it, but I don't think it should have escalated to this. Thats just my personal opinion. Some people just have to experience for themselves and then see the real deal. But why the personal attacks??
I guess maybe I didn't word this right, I was not attacking those of you who are should I say non MK believers, I was actually trying to say that you girls are just trying to just give a heads up that this may not be the right company to start a business with because of what you and others have been through, I had been approached awhile back to start a MK business but declined, because it didn't seem to be what I wanted....I just don't think the the name calling was appropriate(not saying it was from you girls) and that it should have just been left civilized. But again this is just my opinion, and I do have a right to my own opinion....thanks!!!
by H8MKAY on Mar. 1, 2007 at 9:12 PM
Quoting Shelli916:Personally, I don't know anything about Mary Kay, nor do I care too, from what I've heard, but what I don't get is how a person can post a thread and when someone else gives opinions regardless if it is negative or positive they are just opinions get so offensive, I think originally it was supposed be a "heads up" for the person who posted this, you can take it or leave it, but I don't think it should have escalated to this. Thats just my personal opinion. Some people just have to experience for themselves and then see the real deal. But why the personal attacks??
*cough* marykaymama *cough* *cough* Care to answer that or shall i respond for you?
by SICKNPINK on Mar. 1, 2007 at 9:20 PM
Shelli916: Fair enough! 
by H8MKAY on Mar. 1, 2007 at 9:20 PM
Shelli, On behalf of Sicknpink and ElleB, I extend a huge apology to you. I believe they DID misunderstand you. Thanks for the clarification and thank you for understanding our position.
by MK4me on Mar. 1, 2007 at 9:30 PM
Quoting SICKNPINK:To the woman that started this post... good luck on your MK venture! Don't let negative comments get you down because they are everywhere, in every aspect of life. The above comment states that its against MK policy to post your web link... and that's half right. We have approved links that you can, in fact, post anywhere. Check your consultant website under tax and legal. There are four that we are allowed to post. They are short and sweet, but do get attention. Also, I am sure that some of what these ladies are saying is true for some people. However, just be honest and keep your priorities straight and you'll do fine. As far as wearing skirts... it is nice to be a part of something that encourages a professional image, but I have never worn a skirt for my biz. It's encouraged, but truly a matter of personal taste. Shoot! Even the NBA requires its basketball players to wear suits before and after a game. Nothing wrong with dressing for success! I have also NEVER attended a meeting... never held inventory at all, and have zero credit card debt because I believe in financing nothing except for cars and my house. Sooo...my point is - if it's right for you, it'll work out. Once again, good luck!Quoting Shelli916:Okay, let me get this straight.....you don't know ANYthing about MK and you don't care to; SO in essence you are commenting on a thread you know nothing about?Personally, I don't know anything about Mary Kay, nor do I care too, from what I've heard, but what I don't get is how a person can post a thread and when someone else gives opinions regardless if it is negative or positive they are just opinions get so offensive, I think originally it was supposed be a "heads up" for the person who posted this, you can take it or leave it, but I don't think it should have escalated to this. Thats just my personal opinion. Some people just have to experience for themselves and then see the real deal. But why the personal attacks??
Gosh, does that mean we should all run around on this board and put our "two cents" in on EVERYthing that we know nothing about.....
And for the record: I TRIED TO SAVE HER MK CAREER -- by letting her know it is ILLEGAL to link her MK web-site from this site. MK HAS AND WILL continue to terminate consultants for such practices.
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In response to someone posting about MK not working for some blah blah blah
As for MK not working for me???? Ummmm, sorry, you are WRONG! I quit this Company at the height of my career (and yes I was good at this biz)...I worked LONG HOURS and worked it the "MK WAY"......
I was considered a SUCCESS in MK because I had "the suit", "had the car status (several times over)", "sold qns ct of sales in product"....
I QUIT because I finally came to my senses and realized that being part of a company that is SO corrupt was not a good idea. PERIOD. So, I left....with Corp calling me asking me to stay. Not many directors get a calls like that from Corp these days!
So throwing out a comment by saying....MK didn't work for you, so what? My answer to that is: HOW DARE YOU SPEAK OF WHICH YOU DO NOT KNOW?
This is where the thread ended because all involved were kicked out of the group--however, I feel that women do have the right to post their opinions and for them to be viewed publicly if they so wish..........so gals, we're back up and runnin'!
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
We as WOMEN need to wake up and smell the coffee - multi-level marketing is a SCAM that is designed to TAKE MONEY from women like us......
MLM SUX ( yes i worked very hard and didn't make squat)
:)
WAHOOO! Way to go ElleB!
And to my "new friend" Shelli....we worked things out in a PM....I misunderstood what she was trying to say. We are all cool now! :)
MK4me said this: Also, I am sure that some of what these ladies are saying is true for some people.
Now, you know darn good and well that you are asking for trouble by stating that. Are you calling our experiences "some what true"......
MK4me: I've seen that name on PinkTruth....IF that is you....why are you defending MK on one site and bashing it on another? I don't get it.
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by tamayra on Feb. 27, 2007 at 1:17 AM
How can you say I am trashing you. I just was saying my experiences I did not say you were weak like you said to the ones who posted their disgust with Mary Kay. I was just expressing how things were for me and how I have learned from them as well as others I have told my story to. We are free to say our feelings and our thoughts and that was all I was doing. I hope you treat your customers bettter than the way you are treating me. I did nothing to attack you but the state the facts and my experinces and you just attacked me.
by marykaymama on Feb. 27, 2007 at 1:50 AM
to spagirlmelanie.......
I'm sorry if you felt that I'm the only one doing the trashing but how would you feel if someone was trashing your company like that??? They may have had a bad experience but that doesn't make us a scam. That doesn't mean that our products suck. I'm not saying that they're the best but you know all these women made their own decisions to do their business the way they wanted and if they failed thats on them that doesn't mean everyone else will fail. Just to make it know all companies even with theirs I'ts all about money......sales.....and sales make money for everyone thats what every corporation sees is $$$$$ signs not just Mary Kay
by marykaymama on Feb. 27, 2007 at 1:54 AM
To Tamayra...
Yeah I felt attacked to when you posted on a Mary Kay sisters add nothing but bad things about Mary Kay. I'm possitive that you would feel attacked too if someone had posted something like that on one of your product adds.....
by spagirlmelanie on Feb. 27, 2007 at 2:22 AM
by marykaymama on Feb. 27, 2007 at 2:29 AM
You wrote on Feb. 27, 2007 at 8:26 AM
Boy, I guess I went to bed too early last night........
Marykaymama, come talk to us when you get your head out of the pinkclouds. Weakness is not an issue here--the issue is morale and ethics. I could argue this point with you all day long, but it sounds like your responses are scripted anyhow, so there is no point. You are not arguing your opinion--you are arguing the opinion of your upperline.
Yea, I want people to know how Mary Kay lures you in with promises of exexutive incomes, free cars (which by the way, ARE NOT FREE), working from home (and only 10-20 hours a week--WHAT A JOKE), and my personal favorite and most abused --the MK principlel of God 1st, Family 2nd, and Career 3rd. "Find a church with a large group of young women to join or just participate in their activities"--ever heard that??? What a shame it is to use God's time to try to book, sell, and recruit.
Mary Kay is NOT the #1 best selling brand in America--it is, however the most inventoried--by Independant Consultants. The market is oversaturated with consultants. The company changes it's products quarterly so you constantly have to reorder product just to keep up with the changes--you think that's to stay "cutting edge"? Mary Kay is years behind other lines of cosmetics. The reason they do this is so they can frontload more merchandise onto unsuspecting consultants. The only people making "real" money in MK are the ones at the top. A Director's commisions may be $4000 in a month--but think about how much of that is spent on prizes, incentives, inventory (most Directors do not sell), fuel, training center costs, newsletters, secretaries, childcare, etc. When you add it all up, they really aren't making an executive income.
Marykaymama--what is your story? Where are you in your career pursuit? How much are you making monthly?
by marykaymama on Feb. 27, 2007 at 9:59 AM
by _MeLissa_ on Feb. 27, 2007 at 12:01 PM
Wow.
I'd be upset too if I was excited about my business and people came in trashing it.
I believe you girls had the best intentions, but you should have approached her privately. Don't trash someone's business publicly where potential customers are. What you were posting about had nothing to do with potential make-up buying customers, but a gripe against the company.
And yes, she was advertising for consultants but honestly, we're all big girls and are responsible to look into companies for ourselves. I appreciate feedback myself, but I think it went overboard on here...
Oh and I know several girls who sell MK, adore it and make decent $ at it...so it does vary by the situation, like any direct sales business.
Again, I think you had good intentions, it just went a little too far.
You wrote on Feb. 27, 2007 at 12:17 PM
I feel that it is my duty to inform potential recruits, or rather victims, of what to expect from a company such as Mary Kay.
Marykaymama, how many nights have you sat up with your Director harassing your recruits to place orders so that YOU or your Director can pull production. You know that Mary Kay is not a family oriented business--how many women do you know this day and age that don't work during the day? So, I guess that would mean that your "facials" are normally scheduled after normal business hours??? And aren't most conference calls and meetings scheduled after hours??? I could thnk of many better ways to spend an hour of my eveing than on a conference call with some Director who is supposed to pump you up about recruiting--not selling!
You just continue in DIQ, even venture into Directorship if you dare.......but don't think for a second that the income or hours get any better with Directorship. So how many classes are you booking and holding weekly? How much is your average sale? And don't try to inflate the numbers--the product is overpriced and few people are even interested in it, so I'm sure your shelves are stocked full of product that you aren't selling.
Sure, some women who don't make it in Mary Kay had a problem stepping out of their comfort zone, but Honey, I can promise you I was not one of those women!
by lindamgonzalez on Feb. 27, 2007 at 1:18 PM
wow! i thought coming here would get me away from all the negative drama on myspace......This entire post should be deleted.
- ElleB
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