I think if he is  that stubborn maybe find somone else   who has served  my cousin served two   terms in Irac   it is rough  you think it is  a    proud and warrior like   but  you arnt just fighting    adult babd guys children get in the way you see   the sadness   of the other poor peoples lives    I hope he cahnges s    his  mind if he is young he probaly can get out of it  

goatmom4 Apr. 21, 2008 at 8:29 AM

Not sure of the laws but it can't be a valid contract/agreement if he is still 17 & doesn't have parent signature right?  Don't get me started on the Government though...and this war.

DenieceB Apr. 21, 2008 at 8:30 AM

Well yeah you can get out of it, but it isnt easy.  I was a recruiter for the army (more of an assistant but I had the title of recruiter without the luxury pay the recruiters have).  I dont know much about the air force, but I know there is a lot of similarities.  First off the Air Force is one of the best branches for him to go into as they treat them a little better, and there is more room for growth.  It is true that early enlistment is good, and that he wont really do anything with them until he graduates anyway.  Delayed entry is actually a very good thing, and I feel that in this situation it is probably best.  If he waits it will work out the same way, but with less time on his record.  It is like he is in, but he isnt in if he signs now.  It really is a good thing.

momofeight2007 Apr. 21, 2008 at 8:32 AM

but denice is correct without your signature he cant join anyway so if you are really against this then do not sign.

momofeight2007 Apr. 21, 2008 at 8:33 AM

Apparently, even though he is only 17, the early enlistment  for the Air Force will be valid! His father and i don't have to OK it or sign anything!!!  Nick just tells me not to cry and promises he will be safe. He is repeating the promises to me that the recruiter has told him!  We are at war! There's nothing keeping the air force from deploying him right out of basic training, to IRAQ! I want to punch the recruitment officer right in the nose! AAAAAAAAACCKK!!!

CrystalRenee34 Apr. 21, 2008 at 8:38 AM

That doesnt sound right.  I would contact an attorney.  In the Army it must have BOTH parents signature before it is valid so the recruiter is doing some underhanded S* IMO.  And those promises you are right cannot be kept.  I would contact an attorney, or the head office for the air force over this.  Some one is doing something they shouldnt.

momofeight2007 Apr. 21, 2008 at 8:49 AM

Nick says he will be taking college courses in the Air Force. The recruiter is telling him what classes to take his senior year to help prepare. Right now he works for Walmart unloading stock from the trucks. With the early-enlistment, instead of the work program that most do (they work a job half a day 3 days a week if they have all thier credits) he would volunteer at the local national guard armory. WTF? They are acting like he is signing up for college courses instead of the military! Does anyone know if this could be truth, about him taking college courses in the Air Force? The meeting (for him to sign the early-enlistment papers) is at 10 am. I am going to be there, even though Nick is begging me not to show up. He says it will embarrass him for me to be upset and crying at his high school. But i can't help it!!! What should i do? 

CrystalRenee34 Apr. 21, 2008 at 8:59 AM

Yeah that is possible that he can do that, but there is a lot of other things that the recruiter has told him that does not sound right at all.

momofeight2007 Apr. 21, 2008 at 9:33 AM

How did it go?

jspy72 Apr. 21, 2008 at 11:43 AM

Well i just got back from the meeting, and now Nick is mad at me. Turns out he took the ASVAD or some kind of computer test and scored very high. The recruiter has matched him to job in the airforce. He already filled out the application and signed all of his consents for this early-enlistment program. He didn't want me to show up for the meeting because he does need my signature after all! I get there and Nick's dad (my ex) is sitting there with his wife! She was acting like it was her decision too! I know she was acting like she was his mom before i got there because the recruiter was surprised when i walked in and said i am his mother! They would've signed the the paper's Mr. and Mrs. !  That's why Nick didn't want me there is so he could pass off his Stepmom as his mother!!! I'm so fuckin pissed right now.

So i said that i think he is too young to make this life decision, and since he still has over a year until he graduates from high school, that we should not rush into anything. I pointed at my ex, and at Nick and said " I want us three to talk about this together before any decisions are made."  My ex could tell how mad i was, and Nick was pouting because his plan was busted. Can you believe this shit!?

He says he is doing it anyway, and that if i don't sign, i'll just be adding a year to his inactive duty time. (If he does early enlistment then after his active duty 4 years, he would only have 3 yrs inactive left instead of 4). Nick is angry with me right now. I am still reeling from walking in there seeing his stepmom in thier acting like his mom! My ex came over to my place after the meeting and tried to calm me down. I told him not to bring her to any further meetings about this. He retorted that he didn't invite her, that Nick called her and ask her to come. Well, yeah! Dughhhh! He wanted those papers signed today! He thought i wouldn't come because he told me not to embarass him crying at his highschool!

Anyway, i need to do some research on here and see what Nick is determined to get himself into. Of course the recruiter was trying to say there's no way he would be deployed into active duty. But i don't believe that for a minute. We are at WAR! And it seems like it's not ending!!!!

CrystalRenee34 Apr. 21, 2008 at 12:17 PM